I’m not sure what UK had the stadium capacity at this past year but it appeared other SEC schools were more open than us. That told me a lot right there.
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Hill is most certainly SEC quality. I imagine he can land at a pretty good spot. Some quality teams will love to have his defense and in the right situation his bat will improve.
Harmon hasn't been given a huge chance. Hasn't seen much high level pitching, but he did great against the OOC schedule. I imagine that he can go to a school like Cincinnati and rake. The ability to hit better pitchers will come with more time. He can mash and will be attractive to a lot of teams.
We've never really seen Ron Cole, so no idea what he can do.
Jimmy Ramsey didn't develop, but he has some good stuff. He kind of needs to get his head right, I think. A fresh start might do him good.
Hill is the reason I said most instead of all. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Harmon end up at EKU. Hill I could see at EKU or WKU. Hill could be one of the kids Slugger was talking about. Ramsey is from out of state so no clue about him.
Well the talent that isn’t SEC caliber we are competing for recruiting wise should be the best of the best remaining. Assuming your are correct Sean that means we arnt even winning the recruiting battle for the on the bubble SEC types. And then the 2nd tier ( or 3rd tier ? ) arnt getting developed because you recruited them for a reason , you saw something. But for example with Jimmy Ramsey Didn’t MIngione go on and on about Ramsey finally “buying into the program” , “buying into the process “ ? my prediction is that the pitching coach is the guy that get fired as it’s easy to blame the pitching coach and or the recruiting coordinator although I think he already knifed a recruiting coordinator in the back during Mingiones embarrassing tenure.
I think if a coach gets canned it will be Coggin. Either way who would be a replacement? No one in their right mind would come here knowing Mingione is more than likely in his last season. Personally we need to clean house.
When and If Mingione is fired I don’t want to hear anyone feeling sorry for him here. Kesslers career was sabotaged by MIngione he could’ve easily finished this season With 8 bats like Shelby, totally lost Unable to transfer because he didn’t play and lost his value and un singable for the same reason and for what ? So Nick could try and look like a hero and try and keep his own job Kessler was the victim and he had zero recourse , no where to turn to next while NM had financial security and giving his goofy BS interviews all for show and to make himself look good. He was as concerned about the players that came here to fulfill their dreams as he is about his own image guys like Kessler wouldn’t be buried on the bench for the flavor of the month juco transfer.
if Cam Hill won’t run through a wall for you, no one ever will.
I think that if there is a change, we'll hear about it Monday or Tuesday. I think Barnhartt is waiting until after the SEC tournament. Why? I have no idea. Just a hunch.
I am not really even sure how he got Roszel to come to UK. Makes sense that he got Coggin as Coggin was out of baseball and already in the area, but don't know how the heck he convinced Roszel to leave a solid program. Not that ECU seems to have missed him, considering they are ranked top 15.
This is why extending NM was so outrageous. Firing NM would’ve improved your recruiting not hurt it. If you fire Mingione now you can Probley get Cam Hill back. I would take that trade in a Heartbeat. But also didn’t NM already make his recruiting coordinator a scapegoat after that disaster in 2019 ? I’m pretty sure it was spoken on this board back then that NM made a sales pitch to MB that he was going to be more hands on recruiting and that the new guy was the guy he wanted all along and that he just needed a few years to cycle out the old and bring in the new ? Can he play that card again now ? I think it’s the pitching coach that will fall on the knife for Nick. Nick is suuuuch a great guy isn’t he ?
It was said here ( or was at the ball field ?) that The pitching coach was NMs 4th or 5th choice. That pitching coaches were running from Nick basically. Nick would stab his brother in the back to get ahead Nevermind his Own pitching coach to save his own skin he would do it in a New York minute.
I don't recall that, so might have been at the park. Regardless, the fact that he got the guy to come from ECU is mind-boggling. ECU had and continues to have a very top notch program and to leave that stable and very good program to come to a sinking ship is a weird career move. I guess may Roszel just figured he could get a leg into the SEC and use this to get to better places, I don't know.
An interesting aspect is that I believe that Todd Guilliams is gone. Whether he's let go or he leaves on his own, I don't know, but I think he's done at UK. So, that means UK either has to give the hitting coach responsibility to Coggin, or they have to find another volunteer assistant to take over that role. I feel like it would not be easy to find a volunteer assistant to take on that much responsibility, but maybe I'm just wrong.
While Kesslers career was looking dead as a doornail Nick was out there offering free college and acting so over the top concerned about a 50 year old gentleman’s future who already has a career he is established in. Meanwhile a young man who clearly is talented enough to have a career progress and continue to move forward was squelched.
BUT ! .. the Brooksie story made for a great video on BBN Tonight Segment with a totally sincere and genuine recollection of the events told by Nick complete with dramatic music in the background. Comes out just in time with the teams collapse and pulls on the long time fan base heartstrings because we all like Brooksie. Well guess what I like Kessler , Hill and the current guys too.
By the way, I appreciate you two, Jim and Sean, (as well as all the others, big_blue, blake, slugger, Mayhoo, retired guy, Cliff, dtjr, coach, wolverine, CB3UK, Aday, Hike, mrschump, and a good chunk of others that I can't remember off the top of my head) that frequent this forum. At one point when it first started it was pretty barren, so I have enjoyed it growing and enjoyed that more and more fans begin to show up and share their thoughts about the baseball program.
There is going to be a major run on Tony Vitello by LSU and TAMU. Might even see Auburn and Missouri get into that race. Vitello about to be rich as hell. lol
Not even Cals ego can compare to Nicks which is insane because Nick is a nobody compared to Cal. Imagine the monster that would’ve been created had Mingione actually been a success here what with his radio show and that goofy phoney Monday Motivation nonesense
Guilliams is over the baseball camps during the summer. I just got an email from him a day or so ago but an interesting thing is they only have half day sessions this year. I’m not sure he’s a factor one way or another. You seem to have some inside information so I will go with he’s gone.
LSU can get anyone they want. Excellent school support but a ton of pressure. Mainieri following up Skip Bertman was like Hall following up Rupp. If LSU wants Vitello they will get him.
Right, those camps are a way that they can actually get an income. They are volunteers so they aren't paid by the university for their role in coaching the baseball team, but they can get paid by holding these camps and things like that, so that is basically the way around it.
I haven't heard for sure. One thing I know is that Mingione likely has to make a change. The most logical one is to change the hitting coach, which is Guilliams. Especially given that the UK offense underperformed this season and was a big factor in what held UK back as the pitching was probably better than expected in a lot of games. He's also the lone holdover from the original hiring by Mingione, so he's been here since 2016/17. So, just off of speculation alone, I'd think he might be gone.
I don’t think Guilliams gets knifed for Mingione. Hard to blame your assistant coach. Pitching coach and recruiting coordinator are the sacrificial lambs typically.
Yea, not sure if they will go after him, but the fact that he turned UT around so quickly and he's done it now for 2-3 years and even after losing some big time players. He's recruiting top 10 talent to UT. I mean, seems like a pretty obvious choice for someone with a lot of money and/or prestige to try to pull him away.
Right, and I might think that if Coggin and Roszel had been here basically more than one full year. Since they are relatively new, I think it is possible they stick around and we see Guilliams gone. Just my speculation on it anyway.
Mingione is really tight with Guilliams so it’s hard for me to see that happening but I trust your opinion.
I’m a big Kessler guy so go figure. I love catchers and know how under appreciated they are and Kess was / is my guy. So was Tristan P and I was told a few things that appeared to indicate all was not that meets that the eye with Nick Mingione.
Yeah I think you all are right actually that makes more sense than what I’m guessing.
Copied this from CatsPause about contract. Assume it's accurate.?
However, the updated contract did include new buyout guidelines if Mingione is fired without cause prior to his contract being completed. The school would not owe Mingione anything if he’s fired with cause, but if the school terminates Mingone’s contract without cause prior to June 30, 2021, he would receive 50 percent of his annual salary for the next three years through June 30, 2024, which totals $862,500.
I don’t recall but he had some not so happy Twitter posts. One I recall in particular is when Brent Marshall was cut.
Good to know. I’m just glad to see the baseball board getting a lot of interest lately. If UK could get this turned around we could have some nice crowds at KPP.
Yes, I believe you have it correct, but the school also owes him his salary for the remainder of 2020/2021. That year salary cycle ends June 30, 2021. I think he's paid monthly, so basically if they fired him today, they'd still owe him June's paycheck plus they'd owe him his salary of $575,000 for three years at 50 percent ($862,500).
If they fire him after June 30, 2021 (but prior to 7/1/2022, I think) then they'd owe him that year's full salary, plus 2 years of his salary at 75 percent, which still equals $862,500.
So, UK has an incentive to fire him close to June each year so that they don't pay him the remainder of that year's salary without him actually working for UK. If that makes sense. For instance, if they waited until say February 2022 to fire him then they'd owe him $287,500 (6 months salary remaining) plus the additional $862,500, or 1.15million.
I actually think Pompey was not happy that Mingione cut Brett Marshall. Marshall was elected by the players as a team captain, so he was beloved by his teammates despite not being the most talented guy. So, I am sure they were bitter when he was cut, especially since it happened after the spring semester started, so Marshall couldn't easily transfer. I believe Pompey made some mention of it on Twitter when it happened.
Ramsey's freshman year I thought, man this kid is going to be good. Go figure.
It’s going to look like we’re at limited capacity again next season if Mingione returns lol.
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