Cal has become bigger than the program, that’s the damn problem.
It’s time to accept the system is broken
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Again, read my last comment. It’s because of the culture Cal has created. They come in with the expectation that they will only be there a year, so they are immediately pre-programmed to think of school as just a temporary necessity. The thought of enduring that for 4 years then becomes awful to them. Contrast with a lot of the other places and guys come in expecting to be there for four years, and then if they have a chance to leave early then great. Added bonus. I guaranty none of Self’s players last night came in expecting to go to the NBA right away. It creates a completely different buy in and mind set. Hagans is the perfect example last year of guys coming to Kentucky with a “me first” mindset.
Baker shot 31% from three
Juzang shot 32.5% from three
Maybe the problem was neither were knock down shooters.
As freshmen.
Your point is taken, but Juzang started to heat up toward the end of the year. I think he’s a 37%-39% 3 point shooter by his junior year
Exactly! Let them freaking develop for more than a half season, and encourage them along the way. Not push them out the door.
Clearly the one and done system is broken and i for one will be glad when it is over.
Cal avoids KY kids bc he doesn't want the fanbase pressure to play them over 5 stars.
Same reason he takes 5'9 New Jersey walkons that averaged 3 pts a game in HS instead of any KY kid in the state who would sell vital organs to wear that jersey.
The Powell kid at Auburn, Hollingsworth, KyKy Tandy....the list goes on.
Go back to 2014 when UCONNS guards got underneath the twins and shut them down. Cal never adjusted.
Yeah, it’s kind of crazy to think we have only one returning player and he won’t be suiting up for a few more weeks. I’d gladly trade in a couple 5 stars every year if it meant we could have a D. Miller type vet.
I have been saying this for years and been mocked. Glad people are finally waking up. I don't want Cal gone. I want the Cal that was our couch between 2009-2015 back. If that can't happen and we keep on having years like this, maybe it's time to move forward?
Sadly the first time Cal starts taking 50-100th ranked type players, the usual crowd will lose their freaking mind. They can’t help but be blinded by the shiny new toy all of the time.
You could take all the threads and post about Cal and dissect them, and this is always gonna be the end result. Well said.
Baker did improve to a whopping 34.3% at Arizona last year, so maybe you have a point.
I wish them nothing but the best, but I did not see any Herro or Booker comparisons in either's game.
I mean it sure is hard to get in a rhythm to shoot a high percentage when you're getting one chance a game after you haven't touched a ball in an hour. Then when you miss, you immediately get yanked and thrown at the back of the bench to sit till the next game.
Ok here comes the sun:
3rd game o the yr
V #7 KU on neutral court
Had shot to tie at end despite 26-16 foul disparity
Our only returning player who scored significantly last yr is injured.
KU may very well be the highest ranked team we play all yr.
The 2014 runner up team had 10 Ls heading into the Dance.
Some of you need to come off the ledge and be patient.
Its a loooooooong season.
3rd game o the yr
V #7 KU on neutral court
Had shot to tie at end despite 26-16 foul disparity
Our only returning player who scored significantly last yr is injured.
KU may very well be the highest ranked team we play all yr.
The 2014 runner up team had 10 Ls heading into the Dance.
Some of you need to come off the ledge and be patient.
Its a loooooooong season.
It’s hard going back and looking at all of the top players in Kentucky, who may have been late top 100 ranked nationally, but are now lighting it up elsewhere. KyKy Tandy after developing a year is averaging 16 and 3.5 as a sophomore for Xavier and shooting 40% from three. Can you imagine a steady shooting PG on this team? Now factor in he’ll be in college for 4 years and what he will be like when he develops another two years?? The exact kind of senior leader you would want, and who fans would fall in love with after watching a local state kid develop over 4 years.
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Herro and Booker were special players in a different type of way, I don’t think Juzang ever enters that stratosphere.
Doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a super valuable piece to our team as an upperclassman. I think he’s a good shooter.
We got back in the game by zoning bc they were killing Dakari on the PNR and then stopped. IIRC, UL killed them by zoning them almost exclusively.
Vegas, Circle, or Elbow. None of them are very intricate. The lack of execution looks to me like it's because of a lack or organization. Hard to watch.
Me too. I call it "pulling a Willis" when I see him climbing in a kid's ass for something a 5 star kid gets a pass on.
I remember listening to Cal make excuses for not playing Willis for years. It angered me. And that's when I really started to doubt Cal. "Derek you don't play hard defense I can't play you!!!!!" He'd roll that nonsense out every Monday and post-game show like it was a great joke. All the while Murray couldn't guard a street sign. Yeah defense is why some kids don't play. Yeah.
Oh it was visible on tv. First thing I noticed when Allen's 3 missed was Cal throwing the clipboard in a tantrum. I don't know if it was because he missed, because he was a little off-balance, or because that wasn't the designed play (which suggests we design plays), but it was absurd.
He bitched him out after the buzzer in what clearly looked like a "why didn't you go get the ball" moment on the inbounds pass, which resulted in Sarr getting it and passing to Mintz. Until I'm told otherwise, I believe Cal drew it up for Allen to take that game-tying shot and Allen didn't go after it.
I’ve always felt this way, I just kept quiet about it because I assumed cal would change and try to retain players. Well...last years mass departure and this years start with the horrid O broke me. This isn’t working. He’s got to change his approach.
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Or maybe there’s the extreme pressure of getting an occasional few minutes, knowing if you miss a shot, you’re back on the bench
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Maybe. But who calls the last shot for a guy he rarely puts in the game.
Is he the best chance for a critical shot but not good enough to actually get minutes.
Cal actually believes his own hype, sort of like the fake news media.
Just be prepared to get attacked, called names and labeled a member of THE CLOD by those that are blind to what is happening. It’s not fun, but what can you do about it?
I don’t care, I can see both sides but, Eventually guys like bassfan will wake up and realize you need experience in college ball. You can see the same thing happening to duke.
Bet you weren’t as popular with the co-eds as a UK basketball player either ,lol.
I’m sure Duke fans are wondering why coach K went to it also .
While I do think that having a few upperclassmen to blend with incoming freshmen is the ideal mix, 2016 was definitely not one of Cal's youngest teams.
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this year I can definitely imagine hating it's probably like prison. Think of who runs these universities
I always wondered in the 14-15 season, after Poythress got injured, why disrupt the 5 for 5 substitution pattern? He still had Willis and Hawkins on the bench. He could have still gone Harrison, Harrison, Lyles, WCS, KAT as starters with Ullis, Booker, Lee, Johnson and then Willis or Hawkins depending on the opponent and what you needed in the game.
Don't get me wrong Poythress was a huge loss that season - but you really didn't need a whole lot from Willis/Hawkins and you still could have pummeled opponents with that constant 5 for 5 substitution pattern. And whose to say that Willis/Hawkins wouldn't get better with more playing time and in game experience?
