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^^^it all evens out over the course of the season. A 20' putt at Augusta is not the same 20' putt at the Barbasol. "Not improved" is an incorrect label, because players today are much better putters than year prior.
 
cole854 said:
^^^it all evens out over the course of the season. A 20' putt at Augusta is not the same 20' putt at the Barbasol. "Not improved" is an incorrect label, because players today are much better putters than year prior.
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The stats show not improved. And the stats show over a course of a season. Unless you provide something other than today’s players are better putters then I’m not sure WTF you are talking about. Please provide an opinion or an original take. Thanks.
 
No, the stats don't show that. It shows % made over the course of a season. Had you recognized how greens have changed....smoother, yet, faster w/ more undulations, breaks, etc.....than in years past, you would not need someone to tell you that making 20% from a certain distance is a greater accomplishment than 20% from the same distance in a prior era. The precision required on today's greens is greater.

Let me make it simpler for you to understand....runner A gets a 10 second 100 yard dash on a level track. Another runner goes 10 seconds on a track with curves and hills. In your eyes, they are both the same.

You have a simpleton mindset, as usual.
 
cole854 said:
No, the stats don't show that. It shows % made over the course of a season. Had you recognized how greens have changed....smoother, yet, faster w/ more undulations, breaks, etc.....than in years past, you would not need someone to tell you that making 20% from a certain distance is a greater accomplishment than 20% from the same distance in a prior era. The precision required on today's greens is greater.

Let me make it simpler for you to understand....runner A gets a 10 second 100 yard dash on a level track. Another runner goes 10 seconds on a track with curves and hills. In your eyes, they are both the same.

You have a simpleton mindset, as usual.
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So you think greens are more undulating today than 20 to 30 years ago? Naw. The simple answer to this is that anything outside 10 feet requires some degree of luck which is not going to change much over time.
 
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Mash 2.4 said:
So you think greens are more undulating today than 20 to 30 years ago? Naw. The simple answer to this is that anything outside 10 feet requires some degree of luck which is not going to change much over time.
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They most certainly are, and it does change over time. For example, in the three U.S. Opens played at Pinehurst No. 2, the projected speed went from 10.5-11 in 1999 to 11-11.5 in 2005 to 12.5 in 2014. On average, stimp speeds are anywhere from 2-4 feet faster today than they were in the 70's and 80's.

As stated before, a 20' foot putt years ago vs. the same putt today would require more precision in this era. It is a pretty simple concept when you look at how golf courses have evolved.
 
I do not have the stats to back up anything but you can tell just by looking at the greens in old videos of the 80's and 90's how the greens were not even close to being in the conditions they are now on tournament conditioned courses. Have to think that has an impact on putting stats. Advancements in mower and roller equipment, irrigation, etc. have made greens faster but can argue they roll truer than they used to which gives the modern player an advantage over prior generations.
 
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Rarely on golf thread. Just wanted to post that getting a new SIM2 driver has added 25 yards to my drives.

I’m 77 and haven’t had a new driver in about 10 years, so maybe any new driver would have produced similar results but I’m thrilled with the SIM2
 
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yes_takeaside said:
Rarely on golf thread. Just wanted to post that getting a new SIM2 driver has added 25 yards to my drives.

I’m 77 and haven’t had a new driver in about 10 years, so maybe any new driver would have produced similar results but I’m thrilled with the SIM2
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Pretty solid results.
 
Morikawa with yet another big win. Mcilroy rips his shirt after bogeying 3 of the last 4 holes.



Tiger hitting balls now

 
cole854 said:
They most certainly are, and it does change over time. For example, in the three U.S. Opens played at Pinehurst No. 2, the projected speed went from 10.5-11 in 1999 to 11-11.5 in 2005 to 12.5 in 2014. On average, stimp speeds are anywhere from 2-4 feet faster today than they were in the 70's and 80's.

As stated before, a 20' foot putt years ago vs. the same putt today would require more precision in this era. It is a pretty simple concept when you look at how golf courses have evolved.
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Tend to agree, but honestly, just glancing at the chart, seems to me very little difference one way or the other in last 10 or 15 years
 
rick64 said:
Great seeing Tiger able to hit balls.
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At his age and with the injury he suffered, I will be amazed if he ever wins again, maybe if he even makes a cut, but it will be great to see him on a PGA course again, even if it is more or less ceremonial. Would he agree to hit the first tee shot at Augusta this year, instead of playing?
 
TNT advertising Friday's match between Koepka and Bryson with You're My Best Friend playing in the background is brilliant.
 
cole854 said:
I am playing there in May so I was glad to see some of the course, instead of having a birds eye view from my upper floor at Wynn this past year.
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Looks like a really fun track plus all of the Vegas skyline surrounding it has to add to the experience.
 
cawoodsct said:
RIP Lee Elder

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Guy started from the absolute bottom with no help and learned how to play the game at high level on his own. Did not complain or cut corners and dealt with a lot "noise" that the rest on tour did not deal with. Who knows how good his career would have been if given the resources others had at young age. Game lost a good man.
 
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Think Tiger is just glad to be alive. After seeing that car and where he crashed its a miracle he came out of it with a bad leg. The guy’s body is probably as worn down as a 60 year old now. That all said, it’s Tiger Woods we are talking about and I put nothing past that guy finding a way to win on a golf course.
 
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I don't know how I didn't know that Rickey Fowler is married to Allison Stokke. For those who don't recognize the name she is the pole vaulter made famous by the pic below...

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