This is a board about UK basketball and with no games now it's normal to talk about what our roster will be next season.Should we talk politics or religion here instead?
Diallo doesn't need guarantee of first round pick to remain in draft
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Please tell me why it's ok for him to not be ready to help us, but is ready to go to the draft with the help of our facilities, connections, etc? How is this ok? This is not ok. At all.
He did help us. As an A-rate practice jock, he helped us. Maybe that was even the plan all along and why not? Maybe Cal fell in love with how well Kanter whipped Harrelson into shape he's been chompin' at the bit for another practice demon since. Sell it how? First that and now this. Get over it. and about your feelings.
Really? I hope this is sarcasm and if so, my sarcasm radar must be off cause it doesn't feel like it. You're on a UK message board! It's what we do. We worry about 18 yr old kids because that's who fills out our roster spots. We are worried about our favorite basketball team that we've all grown up loving and watching. Those 18 yr old kids make up our beloved team, that's why we wait on the edge of our seat for the decision of an 18 yr old kid. If we loved an NBA team, we'd worry about grown men making decisions but it's a college team and our coach grabs the best talent in the land, so that means that we sometimes sit around with our phones and our computers hitting refresh ALL DAY just to see if any news breaks about those 18 yr old kids. You've been around for 12 years doing the same. It's more than just a game, it's a passion and it's our way of life. I've been bred to love this team and this program is within my bones. It's a way for me to stay connected to my family, both past and present. It reminds me of sitting with my Papaw on his picnic table, listening to Cawood on the radio. Of watching the countless games with him through the years as I grew up. It reminds me of walking into Rupp as a kid with my Dad and seeing Jack Givens, Kyle Macy, Sam Bowie, Melvin Turpin, Rex Chapman, Jim Master, Dirk Minniefield, Rob Lock, Rick Robey, Ed Davender, Winston Bennett, Kenny SkyWalker, Ritchie Farmer, Reggie Hanson, Derrick Miller and so on and so on. I could go on and on. It's more to me than just a game. That may sound pathetic to some but it's just the way I was raised. Hopefully my son will have the same type of fond memories that I have with my Father and Grandfather. This program is in my blood.
On a side note, if your post was sarcasm, just disregard all of this and have a good day. Lol
Wait what? If we would have won it those years, then id be silly to make my point, but we didn't smh so close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades. Think about what you wrote. To you my point is moot because we got close and SHOULD HAVE WON. we didnt win tho so my argument is right. We can do the if's and but's alllllll day but in the end you dont know the unknowable. How do you know we should have won? Everything happens for a reason and life works so that what happens is meant to be.
You make it sound like in some unknown parallel universe all those years we won the title, but in our universe, somthing happend that wasnt supposed to. You're mistaken, my argument is correct. Good try though.
I find this hard to believe. He's really going to stay in and be a second rounder? Cmon.
I mean is his family situation that bad? Does he need money THAT bad that instead of playing one year under the best coach in College Basketball at the most historic program in College basketball and going top 10, he's going to just jump and go second round? Really? TF?
And don't give me this injury crap. College football players..(You know..the sport where 300 pound men are colliding full speed?) Have to stay THREE years before they can go pro. I mean, why not just shut college basketball down? Elite kids shouldn't have to play the sport because they might get injured. Sheesh..What's the point?
I mean is his family situation that bad? Does he need money THAT bad that instead of playing one year under the best coach in College Basketball at the most historic program in College basketball and going top 10, he's going to just jump and go second round? Really? TF?
And don't give me this injury crap. College football players..(You know..the sport where 300 pound men are colliding full speed?) Have to stay THREE years before they can go pro. I mean, why not just shut college basketball down? Elite kids shouldn't have to play the sport because they might get injured. Sheesh..What's the point?
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Ewwww sic burn.
I'm a fan of UK first and foremost. I was before Cal, during Cal, and will be after Cal. I also have a degree from UK. Do you? No, probably not, you most likely have very little skin in the game other than being an NBA groupie wannabe as you've shown on this board for years now. Go commence jerking to NBAtv. Have they started laying people off yet like the league's other big pimp ESPN?
I root for the basketball team to win.
You do not. Apparently because you don't like the NBA. Whoopee for you.
Whatever your connection to UK, you are not a fan of the team. I am.
You can insult people all you want, but you're the one who's on here bitching about the coach who's winning at a higher rate than anyone who's ever coached at the school. I have a simple explanation for supporting Cal. He's winning at a higher rate than anyone who's ever coached at the school. Your explanation for not supporting him, that you don't like the NBA, is pretty much idiotic, especially since it's been true for well over 50 years now that UK doesn't win as much without NBA caliber players. Players like that tend to leave early for the pros now, in case you're too stupid have noticed.
This goes back to what I posted earlier. The truth needs to come out of this as to whether Cal asked him to play and he declined, or Cal never intended to play him at all. Yeah, we had an open scholarship, but if either of those things are true, he was given a free scholarship to play basketball. If he refused, or Cal refused to play him, someone should pay back that scholarship money. This isn't a freebie NBA training camp.
Exactly right. Diallo hasn't hired an agent, so nobody here knows what he will do.
The truth? Are you implying some kind of cover up exists? LOL! Both Calipari and Diallo have already addressed this many times. It is what it is. I choose to believe Calipari knows what he is doing, because the evidence for that conclusion is overwhelming. Some of the people on here post things impulsively, without thinking. Most of those people couldn't coach a grade school team.
Moronic and stupid are insults, dbag, ones that you and the other pro-player groupies use over and over for anyone that doesn't agree with you. Don't be a hypocrite.
Myself and many other UK first supporters are expressing concern over how the program is being used more than any other school as a feeder, now not only for the NBA but for the d-league and for Europe, and for Australia, etc (thank God there's not a prominent African league or Wenyen would probably be gone, too).
The roster turnover is increasing every year and it's just not as enjoyable and it's embarrassing. The players are so young that they aren't consistent all year, including in March, and they and their coach get a crap whistle and will continue to get a crap whistle because nobody, from the refs to the NCAA A-holes, respects what they're doing except for their handlers and groupies of teens like yourself.
LOL @ "Embarrassing."
This guy finds UK basketball embarrassing. Does that sound like any actual UK fan any of you know?
You're embarrassed to win more games than any other college team since Cal has been here, overall and in the NCAA Tournament.
Moronic and stupid. And/or not a UK fan.
Oh look! teen groupie wannabe's and NBA/Dleague fanboys unite!
You two don't have any skin the game, no real allegiance, so you wouldn't know how it feels. Embarrassing it is, how this program is being used. And by the way -- Diallo didn't win jack.
You two don't have any skin the game, no real allegiance, so you wouldn't know how it feels. Embarrassing it is, how this program is being used. And by the way -- Diallo didn't win jack.
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Yeah. Much worse than buying hookers for recruits, or establishing a 20+ year pattern of blatant academic fraud. So embarrassing to have 25 millionaire former players in the NBA and to win 249 games in 8 years. You're a joke, and no one cares. Bye-bye
I understand how you feel, but yours is a hard case to make. Some indisputable facts line up in rebuttal. Kentucky has the top college basketball program in the country, a Hall of Fame coach, 8 national championships, and a SL of money coming from SEC membership and TV revenue. The OAD option is not an NCAA rule or a Calipari rule. It is pure and simple the NBA Players Association's current compromise with the NBA owners. High school players can enter the NBA draft only after meeting the NBA's criteria. John Calipari didn't make this stuff up, but he is successfully playing the hand he has been dealt by the NBA. If a high school basketball player wants to play a year of college ball and then apply for the NBA draft, he can do it at any college. Michael Porter is doing it at Missouri. I grew up in Lexington and went to UK, so I understand the ambivalence that some fans feel about OAD. But times have changed. Calipari was hired to bring more championships to UK, within the rules. If Calipari wins the NC next year, it will be just as legitimate as the other 8. He doing what he has to do, so everyone needs to adapt and understand what is happening now in the real world.
Did he receive a scholarship to go to school this semester? I know it's a small amount of money compared to the revenue generated in the program , but the thought of a free semester of college for doing nothing but practicing and traveling with a top program and then leaving would rub me the wrong way if I was paying tuition for my kid to attend UK.
I think you have noticed by now that I have hit the like button on essentially all of your posts in this thread.
You are posting my exact thoughts on this.
I can't believe there are people that are okay with UK getting used and lied to.
I wish I knew what Cal's true thoughts were on this, because I feel like it's going too far now.
I don't get our fans sometimes.
We bash OAD players that want to go to other schools because we are the best and fastest at getting players to the league.
We bash Coach K this year for rushing Giles back or even playing him at all causing him to lose draft position.
We bash coaches that selfishly try to convince their players to stay in school.
We like to brag about how many players are in the NBA and how much money they make.
And we bash Diallo and Cal for doing everything we have been defending and bragging about.
It doesn't matter if he came here and used our facilities, coaching, etc. Would you still be mad if played like Giles last year and still went to the draft? Yes, so quit with that.
We bash OAD players that want to go to other schools because we are the best and fastest at getting players to the league.
We bash Coach K this year for rushing Giles back or even playing him at all causing him to lose draft position.
We bash coaches that selfishly try to convince their players to stay in school.
We like to brag about how many players are in the NBA and how much money they make.
And we bash Diallo and Cal for doing everything we have been defending and bragging about.
It doesn't matter if he came here and used our facilities, coaching, etc. Would you still be mad if played like Giles last year and still went to the draft? Yes, so quit with that.
I'll say it again...
Many posters set themselves up for this potential disappointment by hearing what they wanted to hear and ignoring what they didn't.
Diallo said in his initial press conference when asked about the possibility if he would declare for the draft that him and he said him and Cal would have that conversation at the end of the season.
I'm still not sure why so many put their head in the sand and ignored this. This was NO DOUBT always the plan between him and Cal.
Many posters set themselves up for this potential disappointment by hearing what they wanted to hear and ignoring what they didn't.
Diallo said in his initial press conference when asked about the possibility if he would declare for the draft that him and he said him and Cal would have that conversation at the end of the season.
I'm still not sure why so many put their head in the sand and ignored this. This was NO DOUBT always the plan between him and Cal.
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I have no love for the kid if he leaves for the second round, won't claim him as a cat, etc, but
I don't get this emotional component I see everywhere from these grown men.
Some of you are acting like it's something that can be fought and overcome - like Cal will learn a lesson not to accept mid season top 10 commits in the future. Seriously. And furthermore you're making it sound like it cost you something.
In the end, by far the most quantifiable cost to you was emotional. You feel like a girl who got stood up on prom night. Might explain phrases like "This is not ok." What else, you "can't even"?
IF he leaves, he won't have taken any skin off your back, personally speaking. You were excited about something you never had - he said all along that he'd be examining his options at the end of this season. It would be a really poor decision if he does leaves with no first round guarantee, but regardless, there's nothing you can do about it.
Right. He said the same thing every single time this came up.
Yeah and UCLA won his many titles in a row at UCLA in the 60's and 70's? Are we missing out on a similar run because goal #1 is NBA contracts?
Nobody is ever going to reel off 5 titles in today's game, but 2 or 3 in a row isn't out of the question.
But that's not going to happen here with this current model.
Oh Cal will keep UK in the mix, but, in my opinion, we could have teams like 2014/15 every year under Cal if players returned.
Give Cal that many cracks at it with that kind of team and he's going to win a lot of titles.
But instead of that, we are fielding brand new teams every year.
Meanwhile, the other "one and done" programs still continue to return really good players year after year, kids are staying through their Junior years, UK looks to be starting a trend of losing guys before they even start. That's not in UK's best interest.
So, you can't blame UK fans for not liking this. But you seem to be angry at those that are not good with this.
I don't know about you, but I'm not okay with Johnson falling into my hard… ..johnson.
No, not angry. I just don't understand the expectations of some fans. They act like we have always won a championship every few years and that is just not true.
And those that can't be happy with the run Cal has had us on, will never be satisfied.
Of course, we all would like our best players to return but those days are over. And to act like it is only happening at UK, is ridiculous.
Last time I checked, we have two five star freshmen returning. I guess that doesn't count because they didn't have great years.
Not if it meant that he would never play a game in a UK uniform. At some point results at UK have to matter as much as getting players drafted.
Bringing in a kid on a scholarship just to practice then go pro for a 2nd round promise is not benefitting UK at all.
Yes, we have two 5* players returning, but lets not act like they lit the college basketball landscape on fire last season.
But you're wrong, UK is the only school doing this. There isn't a mass exodus at the other one and done schools year after year. Duke and KU consistently return exceptional players every year. They don't lose Briscoe and Humphries type players and they don't bring in guys just to practice for a semester then bolt. That's a joke.
It would be interesting to see the reaction on this board if the Diallo thing never happened at UK but happened at Duke, UNC or Kansas. Would it be the same or would the accusation be dirty school, being used, fraud, money involved etc.
Re-read what I said. I never said we had no results, I said results < NBA draft picks at UK. If it was the other way around we would have much better results IMO. Hard to believe, but it is very possible that Cal/UK could be on a run that most think is not possible in modern day CBB, but we are more concerned with draft picks than anything else.
I know that sounds like I'm a selfish fan, but I really don't care about the NBA, it's unwatchable. I care about UK and I feel like, with Cal's coaching ability, he could crush college basketball if he returned more players.
Cal has had the 1st or 2nd ranked class every year. So of course we have more going because we get more. Last I checked dUKe and unc are losing several of their underclassmen too. And how much money did Gracie Allen cost himself by coming back for his sophomore season?
No one LIKES this system but it is what it is. It's not going to change until the NBA changes the rule.
Okay, so at what point do you get fed up and say "this ain't right"? 3 more?
My point is, if it's not okay after 3 dudes do it, why is it okay for 1 to do it?
Done what? As far as I KNOW, he hasn't hired an agent and could still come back. Have you got a link to something that disproves that?
