Probably not, but especially if Cal thinks it won't be tolerated. Even Cal needs to be checked believe it or not.
Diallo doesn't need guarantee of first round pick to remain in draft
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He took a chance on Diallo. He banked that he would play. And he still might.
But if he doesn't, what did we really lose in this situation?
People say it might have affected recruiting but I don't think there's any concrete evidence that Cal changed his recruiting when Diallo came on board.
So what did we lose by going this route?
But if he doesn't, what did we really lose in this situation?
People say it might have affected recruiting but I don't think there's any concrete evidence that Cal changed his recruiting when Diallo came on board.
So what did we lose by going this route?
For gods sake. 38-1 but does Cal get credit for the 38? Hell no, just the 1. Smh
Can't be any proof but you have to believe Cal thought he would come back or he would have gone hard after another shooting guard.The Johnson situation just came up recently.
I was talking about the use of timeouts. Come on man, in a final four to allow that is inexcusable. I was just saying if someone doesn't think Cal is a good manager of his timeouts, well, that's at least 7 out of 10 UK fans I meet.
Not sure how calling time would have helped. The twins were already doing what he wanted. Try to get the ball to KAT. They just waited too long and when they did drive, they went weak.
Just to be nitpicky, it wasn't 3 straight shot clock violations. On one of them, we got a shot off, got the rebound, brought it out, and then got a violation. Technicality, but....
Well I certainly don't want to dig this bad up. I was just saying you're not going to be considered a floor guru when that kind of stuff happens. That's all. Not saying he sucks or whatnot. I just understand the thousands that don't believe he's a great floor coach. However I do think his methods are by choice to an extent.
So does that mean we shouldn't talk about it? I mean, we are on a message board right?
We have people calling others crybabies because they don't like the thought of none and done becoming the norm at UK.
We would crush duke, UNC or KU if they were doing it, but it's okay because Cal says it's good.
Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I have to shut up about it.
But, as I've said 5 times on here, the discussion at hand is the "what if Diallo goes pro, how would you feel about it". We all know he has not declared. It's the what if and there is a group of people in this thread that feels better when they call others crybabies because their opinion is that they don't like something and it goes against Cal. How dare we disagree with Cal.
No one is calling you a crybaby because of the thought of the none and done becoming the norm.
We're calling you out because you are worried about something becoming the norm, that hasn't even happened once. It might happen but it hasn't happened yet.
And even if it happens this one time. That is hardly the norm.
Talk about it all you want. Didn't say you don't have that right. I just don't understand the exercise. It's like positing a what-if we never get another top recruit. Equally as unlikely.
Okay, but again, it's a message board and we are bringing up our thoughts on how we would feel if it did happen now and in the future. To me, even once is too much.
I almost feel like most on here would be okay with it if Cal drop kicked a baby.
If Diallo goes pro, it will be a negative, but hardly a tragedy. It would be Cal taking a gamble and losing, ala Enes Kanter. The uspide of taking that gamble, though, is pretty simple. Once Diallo set foot on UK's campus, he was never going to play a college game for any other team than UK.
And you absolutely will not see many situations like Diallo. What you might see a lot more of are situations like Thon Maker, where a kid stays at a Prep School for an extra year and never sets foot on a college campus. Maker went 10th, and he certainly appears to have a bright future. Given the history of guys drafted straight out of HS (those guys panned out an exceptionally high rate), and given how well Maker is doing, I don't think the NBA will have many qualms about taking kids who skip college entirely. And there are plenty of basketball factories/academies that are more than happy to take 5th year players.
Yeah, taking a top recruit that might jump to the pros is exactly like drop kicking a baby.
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And all of us hope he does come back. He makes UK a contender next year, but if he stays in the draft and Cal doesn't land Johnson or Knox (or an equivalent player), it's going to be pretty ugly next season.
In my opinion, this could cost us, because if HD draws this out, Knox and Johnson could go elsewhere because they were tired of waiting. IDK, just spit balling, but hopefully HD comes back.
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Well, at least you are being rational, and not at all dramatic.
#lackofreadingcomprehensionYeah, taking a top recruit that might jump to the pros is exactly like drop kicking a baby.
Maybe I missed it kyjeff, but what do you think Cal should have done, or should do now? Should he have got it in writing that he would play? Not sure if that is even legally binding, but it's a reasonable stance if it is. Should he have told him he can't come to the team early at all? Again, another reasonable enough idea. But outside of that, what could he have done to avoid this?
"I almost feel like most on here would be okay with it if Cal drop kicked a baby."
Your words. What am I not comprehending?
#doesntevenknowtheirownwords
I have some of the same worries about shooting guard next season.If Diallo leaves it could be trouble.Knox seems unlikely and sounds like it's UK vs Zona for Johnson.
Diallo has a documentary out on him, he didn't go the prep school route like many in his situation. Him being a NYC court product, there has to be a boatload of people in his ear telling him he is good enough. He sees guys like Briscoe and Hump leaving early with their current skill level. bam with his level. Then he compares himself to monk and Fox and believes he is as good if not better than them.
A guess as a fanbase, we can expect mediocrity for all of college basketball.
Part of me truly believes this is a generational problem we will only see more of, well said either you are playing for the letters on the front of your jersey vs the one on the back.
A guess as a fanbase, we can expect mediocrity for all of college basketball.
Part of me truly believes this is a generational problem we will only see more of, well said either you are playing for the letters on the front of your jersey vs the one on the back.
There was never really a hypothetical. The people backing these positions took it there and ignored the context.
I was just gauging how far some would go. If we had 1-2 players per year that wanted to commit and decide later whether or not they'd play, and Cal said that's up to them and their family, would some of you back that? That's how I asked originally. No one wanted to answer it. They just wanted to straw man me to death.
I was just gauging how far some would go. If we had 1-2 players per year that wanted to commit and decide later whether or not they'd play, and Cal said that's up to them and their family, would some of you back that? That's how I asked originally. No one wanted to answer it. They just wanted to straw man me to death.
Imagine thinking John Calipari isn't a very good coach because of like two isolated incidents.
I mean, if he's not, who is? I can make those same weak arguments for any coach in the country, and I don't watch and analyze them like I do Cal. If that's all you can find in an 8 year run, I'll take my guy.
If Self is good, why does Kansas keep choking in the tournament? If Coach K is good, how come he keeps losing early in the tournament to small schools and why couldn't he do anything with the second most talented roster in the modern era this year? Izzo had a terrible season with returning talent and a top 3 class in a weak Big 10. One title in all those years? I mean, who the hell is a good coach?
Also, was there a memo or email that went around where you had to be a fan of either the program or the coach? Is there a group who just likes the players? The ice cream at Rupp? How many ways are we dividing this up?
I mean, if he's not, who is? I can make those same weak arguments for any coach in the country, and I don't watch and analyze them like I do Cal. If that's all you can find in an 8 year run, I'll take my guy.
If Self is good, why does Kansas keep choking in the tournament? If Coach K is good, how come he keeps losing early in the tournament to small schools and why couldn't he do anything with the second most talented roster in the modern era this year? Izzo had a terrible season with returning talent and a top 3 class in a weak Big 10. One title in all those years? I mean, who the hell is a good coach?
Also, was there a memo or email that went around where you had to be a fan of either the program or the coach? Is there a group who just likes the players? The ice cream at Rupp? How many ways are we dividing this up?
So you can slippery slope us but they can't straw man? Why are your logical fallacies better than theirs?
@brianpoe / @mdlUK.1 so you two crzies had my post taken down, i served you pretty bad, if i was you, id have removed it to.... Probably. I embarrassed the mess out of you two. Hope you two learned a valuable lesson, IF YOU'RE GONNA HIT THE KING, YOU BETTER KILL THE KING. Also, stay out of folks buisness, and no more loggin on to your computer and getting on this website just to seek out folks that have a different opinion so you can call them names and flex your cyber muscles (BWAAAAAHAHAHA) and bully them. I had to bend both of you over my knee and embarrass you two little crazy kids but i believe you learned your lesson.
From now on, others opinion on this board should be respected, and posters who show they can think for themselves should be encouraged AND applauded. Not everyone thinks just like you two but thats what makes the world go around.
Stay out of trouble you two.
From now on, others opinion on this board should be respected, and posters who show they can think for themselves should be encouraged AND applauded. Not everyone thinks just like you two but thats what makes the world go around.
Stay out of trouble you two.
That's a couple of if's there lol.
I'm confident that we'll get someone and be fine. I don't think this has a major effect on Knox or Johnson. If they want to come, they'll come IMO.
Hey if this guy is on your side, you're bound to be taking the rational, logical, reasonable approach.
Congratulations to you all for winning the argument. Can't imagine what would get posts like that removed.
Ok, I'll answer it. If that happened that way, even once, I would call for Cal to be fired.
I've went back and watched those possessions a million times. Cal got a TO after the 2nd violation with a media TO. I'm sorry but I think the fans that say that are not realizing what really happened during that time span in the game. Many fans, including myself, didn't want to go back and relive those moments but I finally bit the bullet and watched it again. What I learned was that Cal didn't do anything wrong, IMO. If you go back and look at each possession, it was just good defense by Wisconsin for most of it and bad execution for a small part. Kaminsky did an awesome job on Towns and even so, Towns had the ball at the rim for one of the possessions and got the ball knocked out of his hands. I think some of it falls on the Twins for not being aggressive and waiting too long into the shot clock to start moving. You can see Cal on the sidelines screaming for them to go. I really don't think Cal did anything wrong, especially mismanage his TOs cause he got a media TO during that span. I know it's difficult for us but go back and watch that span during the game. You may have already and we may just disagree and that's all good too, you know I respect your posts and your opinions. I'm definitely not one to think that Cal is beyond criticism, that's for sure.
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So you dont think he helped Fox get better? You don't think his good friend Bamba realized that Cal is willing to back his word of helping kids realize their dreams regardless of situation. Do you think that is what he sees when he sees K play Giles and watch the kids draft stock fall 20 spots? Just because Bolden wasn't as advertised. Do you not think that it helps with all top recruits right now Cal looks like the most honest coach ever. So I disagree
Again, it got the response it deserved. You don't think "Players First!" was trying to be cute and inflammatory?
We lost nothing while Diallo was here. Well, we could have used his help, and by all accounts he was ready to contribute, so he chose to put the future over the present.
For sure, what UK will lose in this situation (if Diallo elects to not come back) is its reputation as THE place to play. To be honest, it is no longer the mecca that it was in the 90's or going way back to the Rupp years. No debating that, things do change. The problem is that Calipari has managed to change the facet of the program in such a way that recruits just look at it as a doormat to something greater. Obviously it's not my money and I'm not in charge, but I think UK should never stoop to the level of taking on a player mid-season who doesn't guarantee that he will be back the following year. For me, it's a matter of principles. The college game was never intended to be a feeder league for the NBA.
