Commonwealth Stadium moves down to 2nd biggest in state come 2018 now
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Let's get this correct.....It is not 50% of the GA tickets. It is 50% of the "Club" seating.....
The past two years and maybe further back I'm not sure, UK has sold tickets as cheap as $25 so they are trying to do what they can to get fans in the stands. They just need to put a team out there that is competitive and attendance won't be a problem at all.
Not true....so far in the 2016-17 school year, UK has not lost to UL. Swept UL in volleyball a couple of weeks ago which is I think 5 straight years now and both UK soccer teams beat UL recently. I know these sports don't matter to most on here but lets at least get the facts right. Other than FB and baseball, UK has actually kicked UL's ass. I do think UL beat UK in a swim meet last year.
Good story but you forgot the part about plans and fund raising for PJCS being underway before the UK contract was signed. Fund raising began in 1992 and ground breaking was in 1996. The nature of the contract (all games in Lexington until UofL builds a "suitable venue") may well have accelerated the project by a year or 2 but it was happening with or without the UK game. Oh, and you also left out the part about no state money.
The UofL lease for YUM! is collectively; (a) 10% of ticket sales + (b) $2 ticket surcharge + (c) 12.5% of annual suite rental for men's basketball game (same terms but 5% for women's games). For this coming season that works out to be about $6/ticket sold for rent or about $120,000/game for a crowd of 20,000 excluding suite revenue. UK currently leases Rupp Arena for a flat $25,000/game. The original lease of $30K - $50K per game was was actually negotiated down by UK in 1998.
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personally, the wins are coming where the care is least. looks like a political bureaucrat at work taking the easy path.
What I find interesting is most of these UL trolls from the tard board are no where to be found during basketball season when UK beats that cheating, whore mongering ass year after year. Yet they come in mass during football season.
You know, you could also say the expansion of the upper deck and addition of more suites to PJCS also spurred UK's interest in adding suites of their own and thus the recent remodel to CWS as we all know it. The mention by you that "they come out of the woodwork during good years" could also be termed for the Kentucky fans of late.....or fans of any program for that matter. What you don't want to do is plan for the bad years. Your goal should always be to compete and give your coach and players the facilities they need to meet the goals of the program.
While UK has won the head to head games or matches, I think one needs to take a deeper look at who has had more overall success.
UofL's men's soccer is ranked 8th and the Women are ranked 21st. Just a few years ago UofL's men's soccer played for the National title. Baseball has made a few trips to the College World Series, Womens Basketball has been to the Final Four and made the Title game. Men's Basketball won a Title and of course football has been to the Orange And Sugar Bowls and won both.
Oh how soon they forget, in 07 we averaged capacity with a team that didn't break even in the SEC.
mitch is almost totally responsible for making the reduction remotely possible. Congrats.
Next years team WILL have more raw talent, what they do with it remains to be seen.
That's true but that team was competitive and fun to watch. Went into every game thing there's a chance to win. Here we are in 2016 hoping to make it out of the bama game with no injuries. If after that 07 team we continued to get better and make strides in the sec. then I'm almost certain cws gets bigger. But instead the program has progressively gotten worse since and can't even fill that tiny stadium we have now.
Compared to the rest of SEC it's small but with the rest of the P5 a 61k stadium is very comparable. At this point and time it's definitely big enough. If the program ever becomes a consistent winner then I'm sure an expansion would be a top priority.
Well, I just don't get it. We make all these upgrades thinking a Stoops is the man, then throw away 8k seats. Doesn't really matter to me right now but I hope we get the right guys in place and eventually add some more.
I hate Louisville and I hate Jurich but he's one hell of a businessman because he takes risks. It's paid off for them and they'll be a perennial top 10 program playing on New Years Day while we watch basketball.
I hate Louisville and I hate Jurich but he's one hell of a businessman because he takes risks. It's paid off for them and they'll be a perennial top 10 program playing on New Years Day while we watch basketball.
Hey now.... that's a thought. There has never been a discussion of, one time UK football fans, heading to the red seats for whatever reason...
I don't know of one but would guess they're out there... I do think that UK has lost the opportunity to bring in new fans... The transplant that might come to Kentucky looking for a game to watch... The not so dyed-in-the-wool, Blue fan.... They might gain a fan for basketball but not football... I know folks that have UofL tickets (football) but have had their kids go to UK....
FYI. The reality is that there was nothing shady or illegal about the Yum Center lease. The city needed UofL as the anchor tenant in order for it to be built. UofL was proceeding with plans to build an arena on campus before the city approached them with the Yum Center deal.
Completely true. Louisville was looking to go on campus, the Fairgrounds then came up with a cool proposal with renderings and then came the lob from downtown and the mayor that they wanted an arena down on the river.
interesting spin. UL used a phantom on campus ruse to leverage the terms on a downtown arena w McConnell involved in everything putting the political screws to all. thus, when/if the bonds to fund go into default the school can buy the whole thing for cents on the dollar. a more corrupt structure you could not imagine if you tried.
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Sorry, but there were proposals for one to go on the silo site and then the KFEC was pushing hard to keep UofL there with a 21,500 expansion/remodel. UofL really was pushing for those two options when city leaders got involved and arm twisted UofL into a deal they just couldn't refuse.
Sorry, but there were proposals for one to go on the silo site and then the KFEC was pushing hard to keep UofL there with a 21,500 expansion/remodel. UofL really was pushing for those two options when city leaders got involved and arm twisted UofL into a deal they just couldn't refuse.
This. UofL was sort of being a good soldier. This is not what they initially wanted and Tom and the university bent over backwards to help the city and be a good citizen.
UofL wanted an on campus arena. I've heard Cowgill and Tom say as much. The city wanted this new arena and NEEDED UofL to make it viable. UofL sacrificed a ton on behalf of the city.
I haven't seen the article but I know the projections that were done when this was being presented showed that they would have no trouble selling out this portion of the stadium. Tom has long mentioned the lengthy waiting list for season tickets. There will be some happy fans that have been waiting for their chance to get tickets that they are actually finally able to attend games.
A little off topic. This thread is about the size of the football stadiums here.
A question about Kentucky's stadium size. I believe it was 68,000 prior and it is what, 63,000 now? Why do Kentucky fans believe the stadium size is what it is? Here is what I'm getting at. Kentucky is an SEC school and has most of the fans statewide. Louisville didn't even begin to strive to play big time football until 85' when they brought in Howard and didn't even get a real stadium until 98'. Louisville's fan base is based mainly in Jefferson County and the surrounding counties. So, UK has been the only football game in town up until the late 80's. Up until then there weren't even any other major division one teams in the state.
So why doesn't UK have an 80,000 seat stadium like the other SEC schools? 68,000 is good but it isn't 85,000-90,000.
I looked at state size but Alabama, even though it is football crazy it is still a small state. I found Alabama with a stadium size of 101,000 and Auburn with a stadium size of 87,000 and their population is 4.8 million. They support two massive fan bases and stadiums. Kentucky's population is 4.4 million so even though it is technically a little smaller it is basically the same size as Alabama. The split in Alabama is a little closer to 50/50 their as Auburn has a history going back decades and their are lots of fans for each fan base and each fan base/stadium is huge.
Kentucky has never had that 50/50, 60/40 type fan base situation going back for decades. UK was the ONLY football game in town and it has been an SEC member for 80 plus years. UK fans boast how passionate and loyal and how much they love the cats. That's true for basketball and although Kentucky fans care more about basketball than football it would still seem as though a state with 4.4 million citizens and when most root for UK over Louisville that their stadium size would be on the line of 80,000-90,000.
South Carolina also has about 4.8 million people and they have two college stadiums of 80,000. (81,500 Clemson, 80,000 SC). That's another state with the same population with two much larger stadiums.
Why is Kentucky in the 60,000 range and was only at 50,000 range until 1999?
Based on other college football fan bases in the area in similar sized states it seems that UK would have an 80,000 seat stadium, or even bigger since they don't have the normal 50/50, 60/40 type of fan split. UK has the football fan base majority.
Arkansas has a 72,000 capacity stadium and only a 2.9 million population. Any theories?
Is it just the passion for football being that much below basketball?
A question about Kentucky's stadium size. I believe it was 68,000 prior and it is what, 63,000 now? Why do Kentucky fans believe the stadium size is what it is? Here is what I'm getting at. Kentucky is an SEC school and has most of the fans statewide. Louisville didn't even begin to strive to play big time football until 85' when they brought in Howard and didn't even get a real stadium until 98'. Louisville's fan base is based mainly in Jefferson County and the surrounding counties. So, UK has been the only football game in town up until the late 80's. Up until then there weren't even any other major division one teams in the state.
So why doesn't UK have an 80,000 seat stadium like the other SEC schools? 68,000 is good but it isn't 85,000-90,000.
I looked at state size but Alabama, even though it is football crazy it is still a small state. I found Alabama with a stadium size of 101,000 and Auburn with a stadium size of 87,000 and their population is 4.8 million. They support two massive fan bases and stadiums. Kentucky's population is 4.4 million so even though it is technically a little smaller it is basically the same size as Alabama. The split in Alabama is a little closer to 50/50 their as Auburn has a history going back decades and their are lots of fans for each fan base and each fan base/stadium is huge.
Kentucky has never had that 50/50, 60/40 type fan base situation going back for decades. UK was the ONLY football game in town and it has been an SEC member for 80 plus years. UK fans boast how passionate and loyal and how much they love the cats. That's true for basketball and although Kentucky fans care more about basketball than football it would still seem as though a state with 4.4 million citizens and when most root for UK over Louisville that their stadium size would be on the line of 80,000-90,000.
South Carolina also has about 4.8 million people and they have two college stadiums of 80,000. (81,500 Clemson, 80,000 SC). That's another state with the same population with two much larger stadiums.
Why is Kentucky in the 60,000 range and was only at 50,000 range until 1999?
Based on other college football fan bases in the area in similar sized states it seems that UK would have an 80,000 seat stadium, or even bigger since they don't have the normal 50/50, 60/40 type of fan split. UK has the football fan base majority.
Arkansas has a 72,000 capacity stadium and only a 2.9 million population. Any theories?
Is it just the passion for football being that much below basketball?
Kentucky is a basketball state, simple as that. The traditions that other SEC/ACC states have towards football that allow for large stadiums go towards basketball in Kentucky. It's why you have two very large college basketball arenas in this state while other similarly sized states don't even have one of the size of either the Yum Center or Rupp.
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Gotta disagree. Yes, becoming better than UK was a part of a much larger plan, but it wasn't UK that reached down and pulled us up. That decision and plan was laid into motion in 1985 when UofL chose between hiring Schnellenberger or dropping to D-2.
Before the UK series, we already had several bowl wins, wins against good teams, etc.
Other than a stadium, we were at your level or perhaps a bit better when the series started.
It's called WINNING...IF UK had a history of winning like those teams my guess is UK would have about an 80-85k seat stadium... if the program can ever get to where it averages 8-9 wins a season and occasionally throwing a ten win season in you would see one then...it's All about winning...why do you think Otis has, and puts up with, the two biggest Scumbags in college sports...winning!!!
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Louisville is just playing the game teams in the playoff are playing. Just last weekend against UK, a kid caught with a gun was suspended a half, earlier in the year Bama's AA LT was caught with a stolen gun and a bag of pot, didn't miss a snap. Now that Urban is away from UF, it looks like he was as much a warden as a coach with some of the characters he had that never missed a snap, you think he has changed that approach at tOSU? FSU had a qb charged with rape and had to be forced to sit him a game. Tressell was forced to retire for lying to the NCAA about improper benefits for tOSU players, they are as dirty as any SEC team other than maybe Auburn and OM who just pay them OU recruited a kid kicked out of Missouri for throwing a girl down a flight of stairs, one of the RBs on this years team crushed a girls face. Its all about winning to some programs, how it does it doesn't matter and they are winning big.
As long as UofL and UK are in the ACC and the SEC the game between schools cannot be stop per the ESPN ACC vs SEC rivalry weekend. The only way Kentucky can stop playing Louisville is if Louisville left the ACC or Kentucky left the SEC. Until then this game will continue uninterrupted from now on and forever.
yeah, because, like, those TV contract never expire.
Lol that is funny cause if you look back both UofL and UK each had 6 winning season from 1974-1993. Two of those six U.K. Actually finished .500. So tell me again exactly how UK brought UofL up to UK's level ?
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