The stats don’t show either of these? You do know that what you just referred to are known as “stats”?
CBS: UK winning despite Cal holding back Shep and Dilly
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I’ve said this many times. It’s playing THOSE 5 starters together that’s the killer. You can’t take DJ out, put Reed in and change that horrible lineup. UGO clogs the lane, takes away drives. Edwards can’t create his own shot. The 5 together don’t mix. Starting lineup of Reed. DJ. Reeves Edwards and Z allows drives, assists, scoring and spacing to start games fast. Just putting Reed in for DJ accomplished nothing. There were still 5 that don’t mesh together.
Kentucky is winning despite John Calipari holding back Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham, his two best players
Think where the No. 16 Wildcats would be if freshmen Sheppard and Dillingham were playing morewww.cbssports.com
Eveyone knows but Cal. Some will say he knows best, its part of his process, plan, but you know, nothing in 8+ years.
Also in games we win by 2, lose by 1, both which has happened in a week I think it's safe to say it matters.
Why dig a hole? Because he is honoring promises nothing to do with UK. And he knows when the chips are down he can't have those 5 finishing games.
Who ever has started 5 they never would finish with? Seriously, ever? There was Gatti, the teflon don. Cal is the transparent don. Everyone sees it. Yet he calls everyone bennies. Deflect much?
Why dig a hole? Because he is honoring promises nothing to do with UK. And he knows when the chips are down he can't have those 5 finishing games.
Who ever has started 5 they never would finish with? Seriously, ever? There was Gatti, the teflon don. Cal is the transparent don. Everyone sees it. Yet he calls everyone bennies. Deflect much?
It is a good well researched article. Any FOOL can see we don't play our best players enough. at least everyone who has watched the games. Also the best 3 players on our team are RARELY on the court together. Finally about the new Cal and Zombie army: talking point to say Dillingham would play more if he didn't foul so much h. Do you know who LEADS the team in personal fouls so far this season; Reed Sheppard with 119 18 more than Dillingham. That crapolla is replacing the earlier Cal talking point that's STILL being parroted on here. Dilly plays too wild sometimes. You know who he is tied with for turnovers on the team stats for the year: Reed Sheppard. This duo also are the only 2 players on team with 100 or more assists on the year. The article is spot on. Not playing an NBA lottery pick AND one of the exsplosive guards in America 35 minutes a game is CRIMMINAL.
Florida beat us because Dilly missed a free throw & Reed didn't follow instructions & let his man shoot a 3.
Let's not pretend every loss is due to minute divisions. Good grief that's shallow!
Let's not pretend every loss is due to minute divisions. Good grief that's shallow!
The game may not have come to that point late in the game with a different minutes division.
No one is saying or pretending every loss is due to minutes division. I haven’t seen one post say the Cats would be undefeated, just wouldn’t have as many losses.
He has rarely played them together? They play together all of the time. They would play together more if Dilly would stay out of foul trouble. Do you watch the games or just get on here and complain? Do you know what confirmation bias means?
I bet you didn't play at a high level. Comparing your coaches to UK's coaches is not fair to your coaches.
Do better Rex. Be glad you're not homeless and mooching off your kids.
Yes I actually do,it would help if you Cal guys knew a concept of : cognitive dissonance "
"He plays them all the time."
That's subjective on your end. There's been games where those three played between 5 to 10 minutes together, and it cost us victories.
For example, they hardly played together at all against Gonzaga and it cost us an actual win.
Did you actually watch that game or just get on here to deflect for Calipari?
Maybe watch it again.
It's not really the starters or total minutes. It's more about the lineups that work together getting time on the court together and those that don't, not playing together.
I have to think the starters (DJ, Reeves, Edwards, Thiero, Ugo) would have horrible efficiency numbers and should be out there together, ever. Ugo clogs the paint. DJ and Thiero are not shooters. Edwards barely above them. AKA - NO OFFENSIVE FLOW.
Before MSU, this was our efficiency with Reed, Rob, and Reeves. They should be on the court together for 60-70% of the game. For SEC play it's only been 29%.
Forget the starters and total minutes, put out the most effect lineups. That is clearly these 3 and rotate the 4 and 5. But don't put Thiero and Ugo out there together.
I have to think the starters (DJ, Reeves, Edwards, Thiero, Ugo) would have horrible efficiency numbers and should be out there together, ever. Ugo clogs the paint. DJ and Thiero are not shooters. Edwards barely above them. AKA - NO OFFENSIVE FLOW.
Before MSU, this was our efficiency with Reed, Rob, and Reeves. They should be on the court together for 60-70% of the game. For SEC play it's only been 29%.
Forget the starters and total minutes, put out the most effect lineups. That is clearly these 3 and rotate the 4 and 5. But don't put Thiero and Ugo out there together.
To be fair that is a 1 game sample where he played 7 minutes more than his season average. I think the more important thing is that neither start and we tend to fall behind at the start of each half. This team has proven, while getting better, our defense has a hard time stringing together enough stops to make a come back game after game. If we fall behind by 10-15 during those 2 stretches and it turns into a shootout for the rest of the game we can't always stop the other team enough to come back.
How many games has Reed started alongside Dillingham and Reeves?
Shep is 28 mpg
Dj is 27 mog
Dilly 23 mpg
Those are rhe facts
Opinions
1. It’s not huge but why not play your best player at guard at least 32 mpg…give him a rest in first and second half
2. Dilly should play more then 23 minutes….he has fouled out one game all year (and in Tennessee game we were intentionally fouling down the stretch is why he did that game)
I get dilly does sit some due to picking up fouls but to not have him in the upper 20s for minutes or low 30” is not rationale
3. Reeves is top minute at 32 a game…and that’s right for him. He’s our best scorer, nearly beat shooter and he’s really improved defensively
4. So now it boils down to DJ….hes by far the lesser shooter of any guard. He’s not much of a passer/playmaker compared to Shep ….and even Dilly has more assists in less minutes. So defensive play is all you could argue…and DJ isn’t terrible….bit he’s far from a lockdown guy
This is just Cal and his good ole boy bullcrap at its best. And given how many narrow defeats we’ve had….a four minute swing here and there for these two nba level players is likely to be the difference in a few losses
4 other people started those games too.
We lost games with Anthony Davis starting. Chiefs lose games with Pat Mahomes starting. Every loss of Lebron's career he started...and on and on...
Starters are going to lose games.
That argument goes the other way. Lost the KU game. He didn't start, still managed 13 pts in 16 minutes, maybe had he played more he'd had scored a a few more, assisted a few more...3 other guys played 25+ that game and didn't do shit. Aggies...got a lot of minutes but didn't start and again a couple of starters didn't do diddly...LSU, not his best game, but didn't start perhaps if he had he'd have gotten a couple assists and shots that would have made a difference in the 1 pt game.
I don't think Cal is holding him back, and I understand different match ups affect things. But, let's not try to act like loses are solely on him when other guys are playing.
Early season I get tinkering around. Conditioning, chemistry with certain lineups, general lack of experience...Cal is learning, everyone is learning. Cool. At this point he's proven he's one of the best in the game, one of the best available come draft night (very important to Cal), one of the best we've probably seen wear the jersey even if his time will be short here. There's no excuse to not start him, or even sit him at any point other than foul trouble and exhaustion.
Very good point. Our defense is not good enough for us to be playing from behind.
LOLOLOL..... what a joke.... Production by those 2 are way better than Wagner.... not even close.... buddy you are a lost ball in high weeds...
Thanks for laying it wide open and bare for all to see . If you try arguing this you are cal fan and care less about winning than carrying Cal's water .
But, but, but it doesnt matter who starts only who finishes..regardless if we have to dig ourselves out of a hole at the start of every half. The only coach in the history of college BB who doesnt start 2 possibly 3 lottery picks!! Just let that sink in Calpuffers
Against Mississippi State? Dillingham?
Kentucky 90-77 Mississippi State (Jan 17, 2024) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Kentucky Wildcats vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs NCAAM game from January 17, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
I’m pretty sure anyone can access a box score, and until this moment I also thought anyone could read one…maybe I’m wrong on both accounts….
I do often have a personality flaw where I overestimate others capability.
I will try to do better…
That says January 7th, chief. You’re citing the first matchup. Newsflash, we just played them and won 91-89 on a Sheppard game winner. And Dillingham played 16 minutes.Against Mississippi State? Dillingham?
Kentucky 90-77 Mississippi State (Jan 17, 2024) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Kentucky Wildcats vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs NCAAM game from January 17, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.www.espn.com
I’m pretty sure anyone can access a box score, and until this moment I also thought anyone could read one…maybe I’m wrong on both accounts….
I do often have a personality flaw where I overestimate others capability.
I will try to do better…
Congrats. You’ve just had one of the greatest self own moments on RR.
@Dncmaxwell I can help you get in touch with a therapist regarding this personality flaw you have of vastly overestimating your own capacity to cite the correct box score 🤣
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Against Mississippi State? Dillingham?
Kentucky 90-77 Mississippi State (Jan 17, 2024) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Kentucky Wildcats vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs NCAAM game from January 17, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
I’m pretty sure anyone can access a box score, and until this moment I also thought anyone could read one…maybe I’m wrong on both accounts….
I do often have a personality flaw where I overestimate others capability.
You missed the point my friend…
Yes, I posted the minutes he got when HE WAS NOT IN FOUL TROUBLE….
If you watch the game, and you may see that he was in FOUL TROUBLE and that reduced his minutes.
Unfortunately they have a limit. They only get 5. When a good player gets too many early, it is a good idea to sit him for awhile to ensure you have them later in the game. It’s just how basketball works…
So yes, if Dilly can stay out of foul trouble and stay in control, he will play more minutes. That is demonstrated by the data.
Cherry-picking one game with no context to make a point that has already been decided is one approach…just not a very good one.
It isn’t that hard my friend…it really isn’t…
Either facts drive opinions or opinions drive facts. You choose yours I’ll choose mine.
And Thanks for the offer, but not sure I’d take your referral of a therapist.
Like asking the mortician for medical advice.
Or a duck how to fix a car.
Anyway you are right…Dilly never plays…Cal hates him and is holding him back…you are right…You are good enough, you are smart enough and doggone it, people like you!!
Hope this makes you feel better.
Go Big Blue.
You doubling down? No one in this thread, including you, made mention of the previous game against MSU. You listed the minutes that both DJ (28) and Reed (35) played in the LAST game (good job, you were correct on those minutes!). Then, when asked to share how many minutes Dillingham played in the same game, you said 27.
Just admit you screwed up. Doing otherwise just makes it worse.
I’m thinking the “Dnc” in your username stands for “dunce” 🤣🤣🤣
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Cal has held Reed & Dilly back so much that their both projected high lottery picks now. Cals gotta stop holding them back, lol.
And poor Reed was held back so much at Miss St that he scored 32 & hit a game winner.
#1 Reed will play the same minutes whether he starts or comes in in a few minutes.
#2 Dilly cannot play as many minutes as Reed because he'll foul out or start getting out of control. Cal has to restrain both his fouls & control. Cal has handled Dilly marvously.
And poor Reed was held back so much at Miss St that he scored 32 & hit a game winner.
#1 Reed will play the same minutes whether he starts or comes in in a few minutes.
#2 Dilly cannot play as many minutes as Reed because he'll foul out or start getting out of control. Cal has to restrain both his fouls & control. Cal has handled Dilly marvously.
To be sure, you’re accusing some people of attributing “every loss to minute divisions” (I agree, there are several factors at play in any particular loss), but simultaneously putting all of the blame for one loss on the play of Dillingham and Reed? Seems rational.
I won’t argue about the starting vs not starting topic because I can be convinced both ways. But where is the lie in what that poster said? He said Reed is second on the team in mins and Dilly gets in foul trouble too much.
Also, what happens to the people on your list?
Is there a list for folks who get caught actively rooting against Kentucky like @RunninRichie did?
I've seen you post this a couple times and it is completely incorrect. Please stop saying it like it's fact.
Good point here. Bend the few things we can all agree on is that these 3 should be playing together a lot. Whether you start them together or not, they should be on the floor. It’s also true that we play our worst ball when Reed starts and/or DJ is out, thus adding more fuel to the argument. But this trio is still rad
Already explained this. If it means Kentucky can rid itself of a program killing coach. I’m all for it. Would rather we lose to force the AD/booster. Than toil in mediocrity and stay there for years. While other programs catch up to us.
How many tournament games did loser Tubby Smith win in his worst 4 year stretch? How many SEC titles? Here's a hint; it was more playing his son at PG than Cal did playing future NBA stars.
So we are a top 15 team trending up at the moment.........Go Hogs right? Or nah?
