CBS: UK winning despite Cal holding back Shep and Dilly
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I didnt recall that .. so against Kansas Dilly sets 8 minutes of half 2 and against LSU he plays 4 minutes ???? What in the literal Hell ?
bud it didnt affect draft position one bit . I jest.
Just finishing watching the 2nd half. So now I know why Reed only played 16 mins. He came into the game around 16 mins left in the 2nd half had a turnover and Cal sat him down for that mistake.
Reed played like 1 minute out of the first 10 mins of the half.
Cats led by 10 when Reed was benched
Reed came back in the game with the game tied
Kansas outscored Kentucky by 10 with Reed on bench from the 15 min mark to the 10 min mark
Oh and with Cats up 6 with 3:46 left Cal put Reed on the bench brought back Dilly and Harris hit a couple 3s back to back because Dilly left him alone.
So Cal took Reed out at 15 min mark up 10 put him back in tied
Cal then takes Reed back out at the 3:46 mark up 6
1 minute later game tied
Cal finally puts Reed back in the game with 2 mins left down 2 but too little too late
Cats down 3 with 8 seconds left Reed forced to shoot a 25 foot desperation 3 with a guy in his face and air balls it his only FG miss on the day. Ball game.
Reed played like 1 minute out of the first 10 mins of the half.
Cats led by 10 when Reed was benched
Reed came back in the game with the game tied
Kansas outscored Kentucky by 10 with Reed on bench from the 15 min mark to the 10 min mark
Oh and with Cats up 6 with 3:46 left Cal put Reed on the bench brought back Dilly and Harris hit a couple 3s back to back because Dilly left him alone.
So Cal took Reed out at 15 min mark up 10 put him back in tied
Cal then takes Reed back out at the 3:46 mark up 6
1 minute later game tied
Cal finally puts Reed back in the game with 2 mins left down 2 but too little too late
Cats down 3 with 8 seconds left Reed forced to shoot a 25 foot desperation 3 with a guy in his face and air balls it his only FG miss on the day. Ball game.
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went back and reviewed the LSU boxscore .. fuuudge Ugo plays 32 minutes and has 2 points . Dilly plays 22 min . Burks and Bradshaw combine for 14 startling minutes????? WTH Big Z with a 3 min stretch, and we are actually not just kindly stating " Cal needs to play the right people and he hasnt been doing " And I dont care what happens , bar injury , he wont change
This is the nail in the coffin of our season. Cal will never do it now. He’s a loser, so he’ll do what losers do and try to prove he’s right instead of making the tough decision and accept he was wrong.
IMO, UK has to have some personnel balance whether starting, ending or during the game.
I think it has hurt DJ's play alot starting out games (since Mitchel injury) with UGO, Edwards (not counting the outlier game), Thierro and Reeves. That lineup only has ONE offensive threat who doesn't struggle to make something happen one-on-one. There is not enough balance on both ends of the floor and that's why you see UK start games with little playmaking, running no sets and just being OMG, randomly stale!!
The +/- metric is not the panacea but it says alot about individual players and rotations being efficient together by either being behind or being ahead. Three of the lowest +/- UK players right now are starters........
Also, I can see why most people would like to see Reed and Dilly starting but like some have said, Dilly would be in foul trouble by the first media TO, he should be UK's best perimiter defender but he is just too careless and NOT disciplined on D.
RECENT STARTERS (Lacking Offense/ Easier For Opp To Defend)
UGO-D (Sub: Z-O/D)
Thierro-D (Mitchell: hurt)
Edwards-D (?) (Sub: Dilly-O)
Reeves-O
Wagner-D (Sub: Reed-D/O)
OPTIONAL STARTERS (Playmakers/ Better Passers/ Harder to Defend)
UGO-D (Sub: Z-O/D)
Mitchell-O (Sub: Thierro-D)
Reeves-O (Sub: Edwards-D)
Sheppard-D/O
Wagner-D (Sub: Dilly-O)
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I think it has hurt DJ's play alot starting out games (since Mitchel injury) with UGO, Edwards (not counting the outlier game), Thierro and Reeves. That lineup only has ONE offensive threat who doesn't struggle to make something happen one-on-one. There is not enough balance on both ends of the floor and that's why you see UK start games with little playmaking, running no sets and just being OMG, randomly stale!!
The +/- metric is not the panacea but it says alot about individual players and rotations being efficient together by either being behind or being ahead. Three of the lowest +/- UK players right now are starters........
Also, I can see why most people would like to see Reed and Dilly starting but like some have said, Dilly would be in foul trouble by the first media TO, he should be UK's best perimiter defender but he is just too careless and NOT disciplined on D.
RECENT STARTERS (Lacking Offense/ Easier For Opp To Defend)
UGO-D (Sub: Z-O/D)
Thierro-D (Mitchell: hurt)
Edwards-D (?) (Sub: Dilly-O)
Reeves-O
Wagner-D (Sub: Reed-D/O)
OPTIONAL STARTERS (Playmakers/ Better Passers/ Harder to Defend)
UGO-D (Sub: Z-O/D)
Mitchell-O (Sub: Thierro-D)
Reeves-O (Sub: Edwards-D)
Sheppard-D/O
Wagner-D (Sub: Dilly-O)
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I’d be ok if Reed started alongside Wagner. I think Wagner plays better with Reed on the court or at least two other guards on the court with him. Lineup of Reed/wagner/reeves/improved Edwards/Z.
Starting Wagner/edwards/Ugo together just makes zero sense since Ugo struggles offensively as it is and the other two have struggled all year. Throwing them in there with Theiro who also isn’t strong offensively compounds it all the more. An improved Edwards helps but we still need to see that consistency from him. Cal just makes this so much harder than it actually is.
Starting Wagner/edwards/Ugo together just makes zero sense since Ugo struggles offensively as it is and the other two have struggled all year. Throwing them in there with Theiro who also isn’t strong offensively compounds it all the more. An improved Edwards helps but we still need to see that consistency from him. Cal just makes this so much harder than it actually is.
I had forgotten the slow walking thing correlating to mean KAT was lazy and not that good. My God the insanity. Thanks for the laugh.Plus a real slow walker...
We lost that game right? There’s been so many Ls they run together. Lol
Time to give cal some cognitive testing and a neuropsych eval
If we had a coach that would’ve been starting the guys that deserve to be from the start and worked Z in as a starter when he was eligible and playing the lineup with Reeves, Reed, and Rob as many minutes together as possible. This team would only have 2-3 losses max.
But instead we’ve got Elmer Fudd!
He’s wasting the most talented roster in college basketball because he can’t coach!
But instead we’ve got Elmer Fudd!
He’s wasting the most talented roster in college basketball because he can’t coach!
Most of the article was about playing Reed and Rob together. In the games Reed started I don’t believe Rob started with him.
I'm glad the guy mentioned Devin Booker, Cal's bench warmer, who moved on to the NBA in front of The Twins, and became the youngest player to ever score 70pts in a game.
It's not like Cal just got ignorant this year.
It's not like Cal just got ignorant this year.
Was the same last year when the pundits noted the Benny lineup was the best. Ticked Cal off and he would seldom play that lineup.
Cal is gonna Cal no matter what.
I agree completely. Too many of the people here have confirmation bias.
Booker was getting destroyed by Decker in that Wisconsin game. The pros is a great place for him since defense is optional.
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And shooting terrible from 3 the last half of season. Cal should have played ulis, and 2 harrisons and towns and wcs down the stretch.
He’ll never top Loser Tubby Smith annointing his JV son starting point guard at UK. No wonder the media, who hates us, wanted us to keep him. We had become the laughing stock of blue bloods. Saul! Lmao.
The whole article and discussion are moot. John Calipari is not in the business of winning ballgames, he has a higher calling. He is ending generational poverty, making dreams come true and feeding the NBA.
Ok now, Reed and dilly get minutes. This is more about the allocation of those minutes relative to the game clock. It seems like we have to hear about it after every game. It’s getting a little old now.
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Question for the "they get their minutes" crowd.
Do you honestly think it's better to have Reed and Rob get rest minutes at the beginning of the half and then play the rest of the half?
What's the advantage of that over giving them a breather when they really need it?
Do you honestly think it's better to have Reed and Rob get rest minutes at the beginning of the half and then play the rest of the half?
What's the advantage of that over giving them a breather when they really need it?
Our nameless coach worshipers will tell you that who starts doesn't matter. He knows he shouldn't be starting DJ and Edwards which is the reason he quickly pulls them from games before the team gets too far behind. He feels that he has to keep their status as starters no matter what.
When you come out and jump on a team early, particularly a team that your better than, it hurts their confidence and confirms early that they are inferior. If they hang around early or even lead early their confidence grows and confidence is huge. There is indeed a such thing as setting the tone.
When was Richie EVER ranked as the best Freshman in the country and one of the top 10 players overall in the country???!!!!!
You have to be Ellen, Brad or one of the daughters.
When has Reed AND Dilly started together? Which is clearly what the article is about. You continue to move the goalposts and mention one or the other starting.
They need to be on the court to set the tone at the start of each half of basketball. It is hard to believe that we have reached the point of debating whether it makes sense to start the team's best players.
So does every potential point NOT scored during those first 5 minutes of each half. The lineup that gives us the BEST opportunity to score MORE is NOT the one starting both halves.
Cal KNOWS this yet STILL declines to start the best 5. Gotta get DJ and Justin more time to get better, tea and wins are secondary.
@Cowtown Cat and @RunninRichie , looks like we found another one for the list I've been forming.
Did Rob and Reeves start alongside Reed in those games?
That's Rex Chapman.
Is it biased to point the the reality that Sheppard, Dillingham, and Reeves are our three best players, and Cal has seldom played them together this season?
Help me understand.
Most Coaches and every Coach I had from grade school through High School start their best 5 players. CAL not so much
I'm not joking.
