True on the first part, and incorrect on the second. Management has had to adjust moreso than front line employees who are WFH, especially if there are parts of their job that can be more efficient with them in the office.
Return to Office
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True on the first part, and incorrect on the second. Management has had to adjust moreso than front line employees who are WFH, especially if there are parts of their job that can be more efficient with them in the office.
Obvious by this thread that most on here either don't understand, or don't care, about a companies responsibility to the community, neighborhood, etc, with being back in the office vs. remote. There are obviously exceptions such as a new start up or low employee tally that doesn't need office space, and certain positions which are completely absent of any office related necessities. The selfish, all about me attitudes took a turn for the worse during covid, and even the laziness factor, especially in the younger generation and having them return to the office is deemed as punishment.
Sadly, there are a lot of positions out there that are simply button pushers. I'm not convinced that this isn't exactly what state jobs are: "workfare", in which jobs are created so a lower class of people (lazy, low IQ, etc) can collect a paycheck that in turn is used to stimulate the economy.
But I am pretty anti-CEO myself. I've worked for some nasty ones. Management can EAD as far as I'm concerned. They're never going to pay you what you think your deserved, they always come in less. They reward the hard worker by giving him more work, while the lazy skate by. They promote fake work culture. They pretend the company is your family. They always seem to be doing something squirrely. I know that they are job creators and they are entitled to much higher pay checks than me. I just play the same game they do. I'm here for a pay check and I'm here to do exactly what I was hired for, nothing more. If you start to **** with those things, I will begin to quiet quit. That simple.
But I am pretty anti-CEO myself. I've worked for some nasty ones. Management can EAD as far as I'm concerned. They're never going to pay you what you think your deserved, they always come in less. They reward the hard worker by giving him more work, while the lazy skate by. They promote fake work culture. They pretend the company is your family. They always seem to be doing something squirrely. I know that they are job creators and they are entitled to much higher pay checks than me. I just play the same game they do. I'm here for a pay check and I'm here to do exactly what I was hired for, nothing more. If you start to **** with those things, I will begin to quiet quit. That simple.
And you aren't infecting everyone else. I remember the days when random virus would run through the office a few times a year, not counting the flu.
I wish everyone would work from home so I could get something done at the office.
I will never understand advocating for people to go through the pain in the ass of commuting to an office that isn’t necessary to perform their job.
I used to commute from south of Etown to Louisville daily. My life is so much better without wasting 10-15 hours per week of my personal time to drive to and from a job that can be done anywhere in the world with an internet connection. That doesn’t even factor in the massive savings on gas and way less wear and tear on my personal vehicle. The feeling of knowing I am home the second I close that laptop is priceless.
I feel like it’s a mentally that some folks have that “If I have to go to the office, everyone should have to” because we can’t have someone else receiving a perk I did not. Weird, selfish mindset, tbh.
I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.
What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.
To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?
What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.
To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?
Well, you see, working from home is woke and liberal, and working in an office is freedom and conservative. Hope this helps.
Jmo but it's just a tool to shed jobs. They know some wont come back because they moved etc.
I think someone mentioned it in this or another thread, but imo elon is biased because his industries are hands on. It isn't work that can effectively be done from home. However that isn't the case for many industries.
I am just a little guy, but it is hard for me to relate. I have always been associated with work where a product was physically made.
The massively bloated government is full of worthless employees who do little more than play and sleep whether at home or in the office. It's just more convenient for them to do it at home. I've seen it firsthand.
The only possible "positive" is that it gives an unproductive deadbeat an unnecessary taxpayer funded job. This is the liberal socialist utopia. They love this shit.
Forcing them to come to the office will cause some to quit, thus helping to trim this unnecessary waste.
Simple as that. Glad I could help.
The only possible "positive" is that it gives an unproductive deadbeat an unnecessary taxpayer funded job. This is the liberal socialist utopia. They love this shit.
Forcing them to come to the office will cause some to quit, thus helping to trim this unnecessary waste.
Simple as that. Glad I could help.
Without knowing the specifics, I’d say I’d probably be OK not only eliminating your friends job, but whatever federal agency he works for in its entirety.
The federal government had become an obscenely large, wasteful parasitic organization that’s far outside the boundaries of what was ever intended.
The risks of allowing it to grow and suck resources from the private economy far outweigh any risks with eliminating most of what it’s doing.
So Trump’s actions may seem illogical if you’re viewing them through the lens of someone who wants the federal government to exist in its current capacity, burning the resources it does.
But for those of us who want the federal government scaled back significantly, we understand. It’s easier to have most people quit.
It's exactly what Amazon AWS sectors did. They told staff to get back to an office no matter how far said office was. They knew it would shed salary. It's quite common.
This also isn't really a conservative/Trump thing (to the guy above you). Most CEOs and execs are pushing for this and there's plenty that are liberal. And while I've made it known that I don't want to go back to the office (in my very first post lol).. I understand that there may come a point where for economic purposes, we MAY need to have some sort of hybrid work system. Can society continue to operate if urban areas are empty? How will that trickle down? If Albany becomes a ghost town, that has two big negative effects: 1. Tax base gets dropped, possibly effecting jobs and 2. jobs that rely on commuters to the city are also lost.
I keep going back to this.. I get both sides of the equation here. I know what I prefer, and thats to WFH.. but I also know that we can't let EVERYONE WFH..
So back to my original point: Everyone has to return to the office, everyone except me lol.
