Bob Ryan blasts UNCheat on Sports Reporters
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Yeah, why the attitude? I didn't remember these cases. The SMU and ULL cases seem to be cases where they helped kids qualify to become NCAA eligible (think D. Rose, Eric Manuel) . ND, East Carolina and Syracuse seem to be cases where the schools admitted that kids were ineligible under the schools internal requirements, thereby allowing athletes to play when they were not eligible under the schools academic rules. Thus, they admitted they played kids that were ineligible. My question is whether the NCAA has ever said that we have standards of what type of classes you must have, they can't be too easy, etc. Could a school that requires incoming athletes to meet NCAA requirements have classes that don't give tests? I'm not defending UNC, I'm just trying to see if a similar case exists.
Both had to do with them not being initially qualified because someone took their ACT for them. Had nothing to do with any academic work either did in college.
Well, as I recall if you don't pass the ACT or SAT...you aren't eligible to play either. In my book same as getting hammered by the NCAA for getting test scores once you're on the team to remain eligible. Either way...you don't play(or shouldn't).
What attitude? That took one search and about 10 secs. If you were that curious, you could found the info pretty easily.
The NCAA affirmed violations that included Harrick Jr. providing $300 to a friend of former player Tony Cole for the player's expenses and fraudulently awarding "A" grades to three men's basketball players in a course Harrick Jr. taught. Harrick Jr. also encouraged two players in the class to provide misleading information to investigators, the NCAA ruled.
Thomas Yeager, the NCAA infractions committee chairman, called it an "egregious" academic fraud case.
The bigger issue is that the general opinion is that the tournament was fixed. Eventually people are going to hesitate to watch or bet on college basketball which is not what the powers want on any level. Only UNC wins. The UK fans who called Higgins and threatened him are embarrassing but the guy clearly played a significant role in screwing Kentucky on multiple occasions in the most critical games. The UK fans saw another fixed game and reacted.
Why are you here trying to find this loophole for UNCheat? You think UNCheat is clean or dirty? That's the real question.
Why are you here trying to find this loophole for UNCheat? You think UNCheat is clean or dirty? That's the real question.
What I don't get is why he doesn't know ANYTHING about a number of high profile cases, such as Marshall University academic fraud, which has been compared to the UNC case a number of times. Then, there is the Georgia case I cited above and the Minnesota case, which most Kentucky fans should remember because the coach was Clem Haskins.
There is no similar case. Trying to isolate a single instance or year and holding it up as representing nearly two decades of fraudulent behavior does not establish precedent. This ignores so many exacerbating circumstances. Then you have the multimillion dollar cover up/legal defense/ Pr campaign. Add that to an unrelenting stall, rehash, recast dance with the infractions committee.
I think that the NC filth is trying to get the NCAA to stand close and isolate single pts. I also think it's entirely possible that the NCAA will stand back and regard the collective abomination that NC has foisted on college basketball for 20 years. The scale of the infraction and nature of the infraction simply has no equal in NCAA history. Massive infractions should have only one response.
Massive punishment on an equally unprecedented scale.
They are obviously dirty. I'm just trying to investigate on my own cases that are similar and what has happened.Why are you here trying to find this loophole for UNCheat? You think UNCheat is clean or dirty? That's the real question.
Again, Georgia itself determined that its basketball team and coach violated internal policies of UGA and reported it, suspended their coaches and thereby admitted to using ineligible players.
You are missing my point. From my understanding, UNC's defense is that once the NCAA's requirements to be an NCAA athlete is met, the school can have them take whatever classes it wants, no matter how easy, or fraudulent I guess. I'm trying to find cases where the NCAA, not the school, determined that an athlete wasn't eligible because they weren't performing sufficiently academically.
UNC refuses to acknowledge wrongdoing. There in lies the rub. However, just because they don't admit the fraud, does not mean it didn't happen.
What I would LOVE to see is the schools(UK, Bama, Syracuse, Penn St., UGA, SMU, etc) that have paid the price for NCAA violations, DEMAND action!!
If the NCAA won't penalize UNC, then a new coalition should be formed.
What I would LOVE to see is the schools(UK, Bama, Syracuse, Penn St., UGA, SMU, etc) that have paid the price for NCAA violations, DEMAND action!!
If the NCAA won't penalize UNC, then a new coalition should be formed.
From what I can tell, UNC is challenging that there was an "wrongdoing." They are saying that the NCAA can't control how easy their classes are. That they can have classes that just require you to put your name on a piece of paper for an A. I was/am just looking for a case where the NCAA has said that a school's classes were bs, too easy.
Oh? What did they do for 20 years? What did they spend millions trying spin and cover up? What investigations did they try to delay and misdirect?
If what UNC has done over the last 20 years is not considered "wrongdoing", then the NCAA doesn't need to have ANY control over what member schools do concerning ANY athlete. I would add, that all of the schools the NCAA has punished over the past 40 years, should be given restitution!!
Not too easy, Fake. UNC was placed on probation due to their fake classes by their accreditation organization. They were running a pro team. They were paying for athletes' room and board to play ball and not go to school. This strikes at the core of amateurism. Is amateurism not what Mark Emmert tries to defend each time he gets called before congress?
As an aside, the NCAA should not be a private organization. Every member takes public funds and the members use the NCAA to shield themselves from public scrutiny. Imagine if the public could issue FOIA requests against the NCAA.
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As I said, just putting your name on paper. I get that this is a "fake" class. I'm just asking if anyone knows of similar cases. Everyone just keeps saying bad things, but aren't helping my research.
Then show me a school that has done something similar and didn't suspend the athlete themselves that the NCAA got involved in.
People, please stop feeding this troll. He's done this before.
I wish you would get over yourself. I am not a troll, I just think. I'm trying to put together a legitimate case against UNC with something other than just blind hate of their program.
Then go do some research instead of begging people to cite you cases. Pretty sure you did this same thing previously. I still think you are full of it, but whatever.
I've looked, and I see the dichotomy of the other cases. Do you know of other cases or do you just call people trolls?
The NCAA does not use precedent in judging cases so you are wasting your time if you are trying to look at this from the NCAA's perspective.
He's one of the WORST posters on this board. One of his first posts was the utterly ridiculous, drunken rant on Cal.
The Zags had it won in the second half, until the refs became involved with 10 min left to go. They became media darlings for the Redemption theme. What were the ratings for this game? Did it surpass the UK vs UNC @vegas? Living in Vegas, a lot of books came out way ahead after the final four. They were in negative after dUKe flamed out.
Marshall is more than close. One of the early articles that discussed the UNC defense was a guy who was at Marshall when they got hammered. He said that Marshall used the same defense as UNC in that regular students also took the classes.
The problem with your logic is that UNC is trying to claim this as an academic scandal and not an athletic one. The facts don't support that. Crowder was deeply involved in the bball program. One of the early UNC reports even noted that connection. Then, Jan Boxill stepped in and told the committee to take that out.
At the very least, common sense needs to come back into play. ANYONE with common sense will know why UNC cheated and how widespread it was. The only ones who deny that are the guilty. Like some at PSU, they will bury their heads in the sand and claim it never happened. A
All anyone can say to a UNC fan is: "You can't handle the truth!"
Those I can think of off the top of my head with similar situations are Minny, Marshal, Georgia, and Florida St.
I just don't understand UNCheat's manner of thinking. They admit the academic fraud, but don't think the NCAA has jurisdiction to punish them. To me it's simple. You have a player that can't make the grades to stay eligible to play so you "give" him the grades that it takes to keep him eligible. Thus, you have really an ineligible player that the NCAA says shouldn't have been allowed to play.
Is there something I'm missing here?
Is there something I'm missing here?
It certainly feels that way, doesn't it? One thing that never gets discussed in all this is the role of the players themselves. The players were CHEATING to stay eligible! UNC is so proud of their progam and accomplishments but it wasn't just Roy and the academic counselors doing the cheating. The players were in on it too!
Even if it didn't violate NCAA rule per se (which I don't believe) why does UNC continue to do stuff like hire Sean May who admitted that he didn't go to class? It defies logic.
They are trying to argue that the classes were similar to physical fitness 101, which lets people get an easy A for shooting hoops at the gym. And that any student could take the same class, so there is no special benefit, and the NCAA doesn't get to decide how easy a class can be. Easy classes exist everywhere, but pretty sure they are all more than never attending any classroom, and turning in a one paragraph 3rd grade level "paper", which gets you an A. Let alone a whole slate of them, and making you go from Ds and Fs, to the Honor Roll.
.....I don't need a legitimate case against them.....I am totally fine with "just blind hate of their program"........
I've had several UNC fans comment on Twitter post and you are correct that they not only are not denying it now but they brazenly rub it in everyone's face that they cheated and got away with it.
Do you know of any other cases in which the fraudulent classes were completely being designed, taught, and graded by a secretary with a bachelor's degree and absolutely no approval by the university to perform those duties?
Do you know of any cases in which another university bragged about their graduation rate of athletes, only to discover that the university was a diploma mill?
In your research, have you run across any other instances of a coach who said he KNEW what was going on with his players in the classroom and later said he had no idea what happened in the class room because he can't keep up with 15 players? I am wondering if maybe some of the other coaches did that too??
Had a friend of mine in college who took golf for an easy 'A'. But he never went to class so he got a 'F'. Guess he should have gone to UNC.
