I asked for a real life example that you personally experienced in a recent college class. You gave me a novel.
Zion's Classes at Duke this Semester
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I experienced elements of those examples in college training seminars, in class lectures, etc.
If those examples aren't sufficient for you, then you clearly have no problem with the new recent trends, but going back to my original point you questioned - they do represent real and recent trends.
That was my initial point, which I do believe was fairly clear from the outset.
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Serious question: Why should any level of school be "free?" We have a massive public school system in our country that students get because we have declared that they deserve it. If we can do that with HS, why not college?
(Playing Devil's Advocate to see what the difference might be)
I would counter-argue this: what level of education represents the baseline for adequate education? For example, should grad school be paid for? PhD?
College allows for students to become specialists concerning their career path. They get to choose whether they want to continue on post-high school, but our society has agreed that 12 grades is more or less a requirement when it comes to teaching the fundamentals for how to live and function responsibly within society.
Thus, 12 years of free education makes some sense when it comes to establishing fundamental understandings for a young person to navigate within society. That's the difference: the first 12 grades represent building blocks for how to make life choices in society; the years after that represent those choices, including the choice to attend college. When we say "Society should pay for education beyond that point", but not for vocational choices beyond that point, we're actually devaluing one form of education for the sake of promoting the other. Should vocational school be paid for? What about seminary? What about any form of learning that leads to a future occupation? You can see how quickly the waters get muddied. Thus, the first 12 years place everyone on somewhat equal footing without placing emphasis on certain life choices.
Beyond that, whatever they choose is based (theoretically) on those foundation years of input at the cost of the society around the young person. Anything past that point is on the young person, and should be based on the merits and work ethic of that young person.
I will add, however, that education is a privilege and not a "right." The notion of "rights", within the natural world, is meaningless. We are born with no rights and we die with no rights. Anything that is afforded to us in between is a privilege.
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Thanks!!! It was good to read a decent well-thought out post on this board.
Because, for the most part, professors and college administrators have not yet bridged the gap that is the logical contradiction between reaping the benefits of our current free market (for example, their lofty salaries, paid leave of absences every 3 to 6 years, pensions, incremental pay increases, right to unionize, etc.) and their rhetorical rejection of that system.
They want the state to pay for education because it ensures their own long term career protection. This has little to do with any real humanitarian views these Marxist profs actually cultivate into integral day-to-day life convictions.
They're the most pampered of the privileged elite, and yet they write monographs decrying the privileged elite. The only reason they get away with it is because undergraduates are largely too ignorant to know any better and because the parents who are sending their kids off to these schools have yet to actually discover what's going on there.
But the bubble is bursting as centrists, classic liberals, and intellectual conservatives are pushing back and exposing the deceptions for what they are. As a result, the humanities are being obliterated right now with hiring and salary freezes. Further, the Marxist profs are sounding the horn louder than ever before by calling for free education.
After all, if they manage to shift the paradigm over to tax-funded college education, their place of privilege in the ivory tower is protected.
It's all about self-benefit for the vast majority of them. But calling it for what it is would be disastrous, so attacking the system (WASPS, western "constructs" of white privilege, the traditional family unit and the role of the father figure, etc.) makes for a potential avenue of enlisting enough young people into their cause to recreate our society with an emphasis on "free education."
Of course, nothing is free, as we know. There's always a massive price to pay when it comes to force-feeding Marxist dogma or even its euphemistic shadow of "democratic socialism."
The 20th Century stands to remind us of such costs, and 100 million body bags and their outlying mass graves quickly remind us of what happens when the state dictates the values and principles of a society.
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I’ve played multiple gigs with 9th Wonder. While I don’t think he’s steeped-enough to teach “The History of Hip-Hop” at Duke, he genuinely cares about the culture and it’s cool to see college kids (especially athletes like Zion) get exposed to the roots of rap music via sampling old records.
For a guy who thinks college basketball has been a joke for 10 years, this article doesn’t bother me at all. Make the most of your time on campus and learn as much as possible.
Party on, my brodies.
For a guy who thinks college basketball has been a joke for 10 years, this article doesn’t bother me at all. Make the most of your time on campus and learn as much as possible.
Party on, my brodies.
There is no such thing as "free education."
Taxpayers pay for it.
It's redistribution of wealth.
The American public education system is basically socialism.
This country is slowly, methodically transforming into a socialist state as we move farther and farther to the left.
It's been in the works for decades, maybe longer.
Say goodbye to free market capitalism. It's coming.
Taxpayers pay for it.
It's redistribution of wealth.
The American public education system is basically socialism.
This country is slowly, methodically transforming into a socialist state as we move farther and farther to the left.
It's been in the works for decades, maybe longer.
Say goodbye to free market capitalism. It's coming.
I agree. I Love UK. But Cal bragging on the team GPA a few years back was a joke
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. That would be an advanced course for you.I don't see the problem here. His grade in the major he chose, college basketball, was nearly a 4.0(not perfect because he didnt win it all). If the NBA 1 and done rule wasn't in effect he wouldn't have been there in the first place.
Won the NPOY and is pretty much guaranteed to be the 1st pick in the NBA draft. Basically, he's the college basketball Valedictorian.
Won the NPOY and is pretty much guaranteed to be the 1st pick in the NBA draft. Basically, he's the college basketball Valedictorian.
The student athletes of any other sports outside of basketball and football, do take legit classes and work their asses off.
When it comes to basketball and football, universities do everything they can to get total morons into their schools and then babysit them, get them extended deadlines for assignments, get tutors to write papers and do online assignments.
When it comes to basketball and football, universities do everything they can to get total morons into their schools and then babysit them, get them extended deadlines for assignments, get tutors to write papers and do online assignments.
I’m a capitalist AND a Disney fan and agree
Who cares..my late father in law..who came from absolutely nothing to become a self made millionaire, told me one time. he could read, write and count money and that is all he needed to know to make his mark in the business world. That is all Zion needs to know. I am sure that all of the UK one and done's majored in physics or bio chemistry..Duke is considered one of the top Universities in the country for most of the students, just not the ones majoring in basketball. Hell I am VP of a credit union and I only have a HS diploma..The only time I have been on a college campus is to party with some friends in my younger days and to go ball games..It may be good for some, but for most, it is waste of time and money.
The other thing to keep in mind is once the federal government begins to give out “free” college - it won’t ever give that money back. That’s just how the government operates, it never stops spending money once it starts unless the voters fight tooth and nail.
Just look at the ACA, the Republicans still haven’t killed it. Or more locally, the KY pension plan for teachers. Apparently teachers who get huge summer vacations retiring at ~60 instead of 45 is just too much for people to handle, meanwhile in the real world very few people are luckily enough to retire at 65.
I'm a teacher. Trust me I won't be able to afford to retire at ~60. I'll have to work somewhere. All that after going to school as long as other professions like doctors and lawyers who make three times what I make.
But at least I get my summers off...
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The fact that these courses exist at the great Duke University is a joke. Those kids rick parents are paying $50k so those entitled brats can take courses like those
So what happens when he is broke and no education. He maybe be good in the NBA but with Dukes history he most likely will be a bust but only time will tell.
I know for a fact that at least in some schools basketball and football players who are good students are not allowed to take whatever major they want. They are told straight out by the coaching staff that they can't take a major that will interfere with their sport. Education is secondary.
I'm a teacher. Trust me I won't be able to afford to retire at ~60. I'll have to work somewhere. All that after going to school as long as other professions like doctors and lawyers who make three times what I make.
But at least I get my summers off...
Work as a substitute after you retire? As I recall Ky teachers don’t get reduced pension benefits for that, pretty sweet deal. If you went to school as long as a doctor or a lawyer then you must’ve taken college slow and be overqualified to teach? Not judging, but bad comparison.
My friend got his undergrad and masters for teaching in 4 years total. Now that’s quick true, but a doctor has to do a min 3 yr undergrad, 3 year of very expensive med school, then years of underpaid residency doing 36 hour shifts. And yes - no summers off
. Doctors vs teachers, really bad comparison.
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Work as a substitute after you retire? As I recall Ky teachers don’t get reduced pension benefits for that, pretty sweet deal. If you went to school as long as a doctor or a lawyer then you must’ve taken college slow and be overqualified to teach? Not judging, but bad comparison.
My friend got his undergrad and masters for teaching in 4 years total. Now that’s quick true, but a doctor has to do a min 3 yr undergrad, 3 year of very expensive med school, then years of underpaid residency doing 36 hour shifts. And yes - no summers off
I just going to do the Christian thing and just ignore your belittling of me and my profession.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
There are many underpaid and under appreciated teachers in KY. The sad thing is for every one of those, there’s at least two overpaid and lazy ones - that’s the experience most Kentuckians have from my experience to put it generously. And yes, all get a better pension and yearly vacation package than 99% of America.
If you put the work in that a doctor did to train for being a teacher and continue to put that effort in, then every Kentuckian owes you a drink. That said, if you look around your fellow teachers and say “Yeah, we’re basically underpaid doctors in terms of training/expertise.” Then you’re either in a one-of-a-kind school district or delusional.
Wow. You have obviously had a bad experience with teachers. Mine were wonderful people who worked hard and inspired me to want to educate the next generation.
I understand better now your position. I had a terrible experience with a dentist growing up, but I don't begrudge all dentists just because the one I had was awful.
So on the subject we will agree to disagree.
Let's discuss something we can agree on and that's UK basketball.
God bless.
Just don't throw us all in the dumpster because you went to a bad school or school district.
Go Cats!
BTW, love your handle.
School sucks (I graduated, btw..barely)..college included ! School's for fools ! A total sham.
Sums it all up ! ^^^^^^^
Sums it all up ! ^^^^^^^
Requiring kids to graduate with 130 credit hours and half or more not pertaining to their chosen field of study including electives such as this is why the student loan debt is turning into a full blown crisis.
Not to mention most of those electives are classes kids already took in high school. At least mine were 20 years ago.
It's ridiculous and as a parent of a 7 year old, it is quite frightening. By the time my kid gets ready to go to college, I shudder to think what it's going to cost.
Some friendly advice for those who are facing this problem, make sure your kids take as many AP courses in HS as they can. It's a tougher class load, but the AP exam costs pennies compared to college classes. Of course, you need a good work ethic and good teachers in HS that prepare the kids for the AP exam.
Discover college (online classes) and dual credit classes are also options to get them a head start. The more college classes they take in HS, the less time they have to stay in college and that means less tuition.
We had a student this year who earned an associates degree two weeks before he graduated HS.
Yup.
HS Kids today need to take AP and dual credit classes so they can "double dip."
My daughter graduated high school last year with around 40 credit hours from taking dual credit classes.
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Damn.. I should have tried to walk on Dukes basketball team.
With those classes I would have been on Dean’s list.
First day of History of Hip Hop..
Teacher- Can you name all the members of N.W.A.
Yes ... Zion that is correct... another A plus day for you!
But- don’t forget it is DJ Yella not DJ Yellow
With those classes I would have been on Dean’s list.
First day of History of Hip Hop..
Teacher- Can you name all the members of N.W.A.
Yes ... Zion that is correct... another A plus day for you!
But- don’t forget it is DJ Yella not DJ Yellow
