A single quote where a guy was saying what the step dad was looking to receive. Did he make all that up? Also are you saying they didn't live in the house? Are you denying that?
Zion May be forced to testify on whether he took money from Duke
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A single quote where a guy was saying what the step dad was looking to receive. Did he make all that up? Also are you saying they didn't live in the house? Are you denying that?
Clearly those RFA imply (very strongly), Zion received improper benefits to ATTEND Duke specifically. His family didn't move to a $1 million home in crappy Durham NC to go to Kansas or any other school. C'mon man. You clearly don't believe what you type. Bagley and Duval would never have been "eligible" at any school in a America---other than a private school like Duke where there was no legitimate scrutiny of their grades. Duval would not have been admitted to any school in America---and been "eligible"---outside of Duke. Improper benefits/payments to players and family have been going on at Duke since at least Maggette. Just stop.
I had forgotten about Duval. He was a projected 1st rounder coming out of high school, played 1 year at Duke, went undrafted and is now playing in the G League. I hope the brotherhood will take care of him because he doesn't look like he is going to make any money in the league.
I’m saying there’s been zero evidence that anything against the rules happened. Maybe Zions family was able to rent that home from money provided by Adidas for the AAU program. Can you provide any evidence it was obtained against NCAA rules?
I misread your post. I’m out running for my wife. My bad. Although, if you believe that Bagley didn’t receive any kickback from Nike during all that then you’re just not very bright.
I’m amazed that in 2020 after all these recruiting discussions on this board people still don’t understand college eligibility.
So now it’s Adidas money. Good Lord.
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I hope he did, I hope he got paid boat loads of kickbacks and no one in his family has to work another day in their life. But I also hope there’s no evidence of it, which as of now there isn’t any.
Well it was an Adidas AAu program. Do you not know anything about this?So now it’s Adidas money. Good Lord.
If Zion testifies under oath, he better tell the truth. If he answers "yes" to the question asked about receiving impermissible benefits, then your point about having no proof, gets thrown out the window.
Zero PUBLIC evidence. As one of our in-house legal scholars said in this thread earlier - the attorneys wouldn't be laying this out if they didn't already know they could prove it. Just because a Duke fan doesn't see the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So no lawsuit has ever been filed with insufficient evidence?
Right...they wouldn't show their hand before they could even play!
What? U know darn good and well if it can be shown Zion and his family received a house/money for a house/cash payments/other benefits/jobs/ to ATTEND Duke---he would be ineligible and Duke would have to forfeit the games he played in. I won't get into whether I believe the NCAA would do anything to Duke, or whether I think the kids should be paid, but if it can be shown the kid/his family was paid/incentivized to go to Duke the kid should be ineligible
Well, the RFA was filed as part of the discovery process, so it'll be deemed admitted if Zion's attorneys don't respond.
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It almost doesn't matter.. These are the type of findings that basically stop a school from doing whatever it is they were doing.. whether they get punished or not.
UNC gets investigated? Their recruitment tanks.
Kansas gets investigated? Same thing.
You're already seeing it with Duke. While their recruiting is still solid, they can no longer just pluck 3 of the top5 recruits anymore. Duke gets in trouble, Kentucky goes back to #1 recruiting classes. That's no coincidence.
UNC gets investigated? Their recruitment tanks.
Kansas gets investigated? Same thing.
You're already seeing it with Duke. While their recruiting is still solid, they can no longer just pluck 3 of the top5 recruits anymore. Duke gets in trouble, Kentucky goes back to #1 recruiting classes. That's no coincidence.
If this were Cal/UK, I'd be ashamed, because it's MORE THAN OBVIOUS Puke was cheating, and for quite a while with quite a few players. A couple of those players weren't smart enough to fill out the paperwork, let alone get into college.
Just admit it Puke fans, your high and mighty coach is a cheater, you'll feel better admitting the ruth.
Just admit it Puke fans, your high and mighty coach is a cheater, you'll feel better admitting the ruth.
I stand by my assertion that Duval would not have been eligible at any NCAA membership school--but Duke. Not a single kid was ever eligible---except Duval---from that made up school he attended. And that was the kids that attended the school for 1 year. Duval attended the school for 2 years! I believe 1 kid became eligible eventually at Cincinnati after red shirting. However, Duval's transcript was a joke. Pretty sure he got his high school degree "on-line" from Nebraska---a state he never lived in or visited. There was an article floating around that I believe said Duval hadn't been in a classroom since he was in 8th grade. 8th grade! no teachers. No oversight. No real curriculum. Maybe he was in the UNC AA studies program. Joking aside. The kid was the consensus #1 PG in the country, yet he was only eligible to go to DUKE---a beacon of academia. STOP
That very well may be. We are only at the beginning stages of this. Typically, things like this have a habit of quietly fizzing out when Duke is in the crosshairs, but this iceberg could be much bigger under the surface to ignore. We shall see.
So you are totally okay with Duke cheating as long as they don't get caught? Well I guess the Carolina way bleeds over Duke too.
Please get your facts straight. I’m assuming you are talking about API. Duval was there one year not two. Duval’s transcripts were fined Duke won’t take recruits with poor transcripts, it’s why they stopped recruiting Quade Green, who subsequently landed at UK. Transferred then had academic issues at Washington.
yep, that’s where I was gonna go with that. They will not act on it nor will they address the topic if asked
False. Duval attended API for 3 semesters---1 1/2 academic school year--if it were really a school. He was there longer than Ferguson--who had little to no chance of qualifying to a college----had a good all-star circuit and went pro. Ferguson had little to no choice to take any "academic" path b/c he attended API for 1 year. Ferguson's academic path was FAR less nefarious than Duval--who attended like 8 schools in 3 years---and he couldn't get qualified. I noticed you ignored the whole Nebraska situation as well. I bet Duval is currently enrolled in your prestigious Duke communications program and graduates this week? With honors I bet.
Duke's classes following the 2010 title were ranked #16 (Irving, Josh Hairston, Tyler Thornton and Andre Dawkins. The 2011 class was ranked #2 (Rivers, Gbinije, Marshall Plumlee and Quinn Cook. The 2012 class was ranked #41 Sulamon and Amile Jefferson. The'13 class was #9 (Parker, Matt Jones and Semi Ojeleye. It wasn't until 5 classes later when Duke got the #1 class with Okafor, Jones, Winslow and Allen. The 2010 title didn't seem to have much positive effect on recruiting but sign players with questionable academic backgrounds or ones rumored to be looking for a payout have boosted recruiting by a lot.
Damn right we won our share in the 40's and 50's...we've been winning championships since your daddy was nothing but a twinkle in your granpappy's eye, newbie
I did not know he went there three semesters, which three semesters did Duval attend API? I also did not know he went to 8 schools in three years. What were the 8 schools Duval enrolled in in those three years?
That’s one way to look at it, you could also say in three of the four years after the title they had a OAD talent where they did not have that in the previous years leading up to the title. Also a title like that takes a while to have an effect on recruiting as juniors and seniors have already been targeted, narrowed lists, or committed by then.
Damn why all the hostility toward our fellow Cats fan, bro?
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Which gift wrapped title of duke’s are you referencing?
Man I wish Duke got all the help you guys think they do. I’d be celebrating a lot more titles than we actually have.Which gift wrapped title of duke’s are you referencing?
LOL y’all should have 25-30. I can’t wrap my head around why duke doesn’t. K just must be THAT overrated.
So if Nike gives Mr. Bagley a million dollars to run his AAU team and says oh by the way you may want to take a look at Duke has that been determined to be an NCAA violation or completely legal?
Tatum, Giles, Bagley, Carter, Zion, Barrett and Reddish. Even with every advantage known to man AND the best talent. Still, zero Final Fours. The GOAT my ass!
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I didn't mean it to come off like that; I meant that should've been the reply to the dookie who was mocking our early titles. Sorry about the mixupDamn why all the hostility toward our fellow Cats fan, bro?
I will say this in regards to the admissions, Zion could prob pretty easily say HE has no knowledge of payments to his family, handlers, etc., because the reality is he may not really know and def may not want to know. Just by the LSU stuff on tape I bet the kid didn't know what the hell was going on, I would say most of the kids don't.
