WOW Bombshell! Dick Gabriel just reported.....
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Go watch the play. Tell me the kid to the right of berry doesn't reach in, and make contact.I do give you kudos for answering... and definitely agree that something had to be called.
BUT... thanks to the hermetically-sealed mayonnaise-jar-kept envelope I have... I already knew you'd go with some "smack/reached in" call on the ARK guy, which serves to negate everything that comes after... but it didn't predict you'd go so far to come up with the block on the ARK kid that was bulldozed. Funk & Wagnalls will be hearing from my lawyer!
Tell me the kid who got "bulldoze", doesn't take a step forward, and swat down, catching Berry in the face/chest area.
Why would it surprise you,anyways? I'm not a UNC fan. Don't care for them to be honest. What is surprising is a UK fan taking the side of an Arkansas team. Why is that? To me,that's what is surprising.
Because I'm a cool IU fan....that's why.
Plus,. I'm not "trolling" you guys. Just game my opinion on the story. I call BS on it. And hell, I've posted here many of times. Very rarely an issue. You guys for the most part are fun.
And hell I don't have an issue with Kentucky. Purdue is who annoys me.
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You just lost any credibility that you might have had. This isn't about taking sides. But, I think you just showed your true colors. You are here to "take sides" aren't you?
So an official buddy of your saw this 2-second video, a came to an absolute decision? And your'e asking how bad I was?
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So you clearly don't read. I just said if it was a uk player pulling that crap I would say the same thing. Higgins is the common denominator in these calls we feel cost us. And I didn't hate Higgins until Sunday. I thought he made some horrible calls in previous games but nothing like Sunday. That POS had an entire half where he was against uk. And I don't give a damn what you say about integrity. You act like its a bunch of robots that are refs. You bet your ass there are refs who let personal feelings get in the way. Higgins had an agenda sunday and didn't hide it very well. You can stop with the "don't attack my integrity" BS. Like somehow you or any other ref are above letting ego/personal feelings get in the way.
So really, Darius pushed him in the back???????
I showed nothing. Of all the calls to ask about---Why the Arkansas/UNC game? I've seen UK fans rant over that call/non-call? Why? I thought Arkansas was a bunch of thug, punks? So I find it odd that some of you would defend them. Or am I off base here?
Because I'm a cool IU fan....that's why.
Plus,. I'm not "trolling" you guys. Just game my opinion on the story. I call BS on it. And hell, I've posted here many of times. Very rarely an issue. You guys for the most part are fun.
And hell I don't have an issue with Kentucky. Purdue is who annoys me.
Because I'm a cool IU fan....that's why.
Plus,. I'm not "trolling" you guys. Just game my opinion on the story. I call BS on it. And hell, I've posted here many of times. Very rarely an issue. You guys for the most part are fun.
And hell I don't have an issue with Kentucky. Purdue is who annoys me.
Posted here many times? Dude you only have a 143 messages since December 2011 lol.
It's a 2-second video, dude. It LOOKS as if Darius' right hand extends out, with a push. again---it's a 2-second video. I could be totally wrong. WOuldn't be the first time.
Horse crap. You are defending a fellow ref against your rival school. I've seen your posts on the main board and you never side with UK...
Your quote from post 122 in this thread which I believe was your first post here; "Fail. I've officiated CBB for a long time. This would never happen." That sounds like a pretty definitive statement. Just because you have never heard of this happening, that doesn't mean it hasn't. Maybe you have never officiated a game that the supervisor of officials deemed important enough to visit the officials locker room at halftime to admonish them for their poor performance.
I'll give a quick review of the calls in question:
Basket interference on Bam: Close. Very close. I could see why an official would call that during live action. IMO, all scoring opportunities should be reviewable. But even then, i doubt that gets overturned. It ws that close.
Foul on Willis: Very weak call. I can see an argument for it. But I can see a better argument against it. IMO, you play on there. Was there some contact? Yeah. But did that contact give Willis an advantage? No, not IMO. And that is what you need to decipher with contact: Was an advantage gained.
Push(Over the back on Bam): Meh, he did put a forearm in UNC players neck. So there is that. But..........I thought he was fouled(wrapped) before that. MOF, when I heard the whistle, that is what I thought the call was. As for the contact. I try and decipher if the contact was, A) intentional, with a clear intent to gain an advantage, or B) A basketball play that happens to create contact. i thought it was more of "B", than "A". A call really I think you stay away from. I don't think it was that bad.
Foul on Fox(block): Actually felt this was a good call. IMO Fox never gained a legal, guarding position. That is very relevant to a block/charge call. Remember, if you have established a legal guarding position, you can MOVE side to side/backwards. Just not forward. I didn't feel he had established that.
Overall in the first half, UK got a tough whistle; Even though UK was in the bonus at the 11;16 mark of the 1st half. UNC didn't get there until 6:15 remained.
Any other calls I am missing?
Look sorry if I pissed off some folks. I understand it's a tough loss. I understand the disdain toward Higgins. And if I were a UK fan, I'd probably be pissed to. But I do not think this "meeting" ever tool place. Could it have? Sure. But I highly doubt it. It's just not how things work.
Feel free to elaborate.
Basket interference on Bam: Close. Very close. I could see why an official would call that during live action. IMO, all scoring opportunities should be reviewable. But even then, i doubt that gets overturned. It ws that close.
Foul on Willis: Very weak call. I can see an argument for it. But I can see a better argument against it. IMO, you play on there. Was there some contact? Yeah. But did that contact give Willis an advantage? No, not IMO. And that is what you need to decipher with contact: Was an advantage gained.
Push(Over the back on Bam): Meh, he did put a forearm in UNC players neck. So there is that. But..........I thought he was fouled(wrapped) before that. MOF, when I heard the whistle, that is what I thought the call was. As for the contact. I try and decipher if the contact was, A) intentional, with a clear intent to gain an advantage, or B) A basketball play that happens to create contact. i thought it was more of "B", than "A". A call really I think you stay away from. I don't think it was that bad.
Foul on Fox(block): Actually felt this was a good call. IMO Fox never gained a legal, guarding position. That is very relevant to a block/charge call. Remember, if you have established a legal guarding position, you can MOVE side to side/backwards. Just not forward. I didn't feel he had established that.
Overall in the first half, UK got a tough whistle; Even though UK was in the bonus at the 11;16 mark of the 1st half. UNC didn't get there until 6:15 remained.
Any other calls I am missing?
Look sorry if I pissed off some folks. I understand it's a tough loss. I understand the disdain toward Higgins. And if I were a UK fan, I'd probably be pissed to. But I do not think this "meeting" ever tool place. Could it have? Sure. But I highly doubt it. It's just not how things work.
Feel free to elaborate.
This is fair. I shouldn't have been so definite. To say it would never happen was erenous on may part. So I'll retract and say---" I highly doubt it happened. With all my years of experience, and never hearing of such a situation occurring, I find it highly unlikely to have happened".
As for never officiating a game not important enough(for a supervisor to attend). That is incorrect. MOF, "supervisors" attend almost every single game. Someone of that nature normally does. And it's not uncommon for them to visit during halftime. And certainly after the game. But not once have any of them ever came in and said---"You guys need to get your shit together". The visit is more of a positioning, mechanics type of thing. Calls are discussed at times. But never questioned. Now after a game? Different story. EVery game is broken down when we finished.
Back to "game of importance". I've worked numerous conference tourney's. And on multiple occasions, we have met with the HOO. No big deal, really. After all, the new HOO is the corrdinator of officials for two, small mid-major conference's; Mid-America/Summit.
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Oh, as evidenced by your posts here, we know. We definitely know.
As for the "reach-in" guy right of Berry-- give me a break, anytime someone drives with the ball like that, there's going to be contact. If that was called the way you're now implying, when ARK guy gained no advantage of Berry brushing into him... every game would be called off before the half, due to not enough players left from fouling out.
Same as your BS take on 2 seconds of the FLOP-- OH NO -- a hand was touching him, and you said maybe a shove occurred, instead of calling it what it is- an obvious flop, that shouldn't be rewarded.
I never side with UK? Willing to wager with that? I can pull up 100's of post where I have done just that. And where am I defending anyone? I disagree that a meeting of this nature took place. That's not siding with anyone.
BTW, I just sided with UK in this very thread.
It's become an SEC Thing, I guess... and UK fans are magnanimous enough to do it.
I get that. See, that wasn't so hard. Thanks for the answer. BTW, SEC getting better.
And he puts up the shot for Meeks to get the rebound and bucket... ARK guys hesitate just enough, thinking a whistle is coming.
He came to a definite conclusion via a 2-second video? No wonder he was a D2 official for 30 years.
So you are saying a member of the committee is a liar.......ahem.. mitch barnhart. Because thats where this story absolutely has to originate if indeed Gabriel did say this on the podcast.
Some UK fans on here even rooted for UL in 2013. A "state" thing on that one.
Thats on Arkansas. Play to the whistle. That play was a disaster. Something needed to be called. But lets be fair. Say UNC is called for a travel, or a charge. Arkansas still has to score----they were down, 66-65. So as bad as you may think that was, it still doesn't guarantee Arky scores. And up to that point, they had been strugglinf to do so; two, 30', shot clock beating heaves in their last 4 possessions. So it wasn't a given they even score----right?
So this came from Mitch Barnhart? Why would Barnhart be in the locker room? Why would he even be involved? His position has nadda to do with overseeing the officials. None. Zip.
I always hesitate to call someone a liar. Strong word. I'd rather use the term, misinformed.
He came to a definite conclusion via a 2-second video? No wonder he was a D2 official for 30 years.
Wait what?? I'm sorry... what would a 3 second or 10 second video of this show that the 2 second video didnt? I can point you towards UKbasketballlive.com where there is a replay of the game....... go watch the entire 4 minutes up to it if you want....... shows nothing different than that 2 second video.
and its still a garbage ass cheap call. A call you dont make unless you are wanting to stick it to a team. And you defending that garbage is beyond bull sh*t. Your agenda shows and no one here is buying it.
I root for UK. My brother is a huge UK fan. Has lived in the Lexington area almost his entire life. My wife went to UK. Her family is deeply rooted within UK's basketball roots. I go to UK games all the time. I tell you what sucked about the game: My wife's reaction. Such joy when Monk's shot went in. I was standing behind her when Mayes shot went through. Just saw her slump, and give a slight---"ummmmmmhhh". Hated that for her.
Try following logic please............ I said if Gabriel is indeed claiming this.... it would have to be passed down from Mitch barnhart who is the only person that UK people would have access to that is involved with the NCAA and tournament at this time........and I'm sure if there was a meeting... People like Barnhart would know about it.
I wasnt claiming barnhart would of been the one going into the locker room
There is a huge difference in seeing a 2-second clip, than that of the "entire play". Where did he start. Where were his feet. Where were his hands. Its a quick, 2-second, kinda of 'fast" video. It gives some of the story. But not all of it.
And I agree, from what I see, a cheap call. Which I have said.
I'm following along just fine. I understood. That is why I said, "why would Barnhart know"? His position is irrelevant to that of the officials. Though I can see why "people like Barnhart" would know about it. But then again, confused as to why he would even know. IDK, maybe JD called Mitch and said---"Mitch, I went in there and lket those SOB's have it. I've done my part". I guess.
Which of those positions would you have chosen for your team to be in? Bet it's not ARK!
That's what makes it worse, BTW. Making the right call there (travel on Berry) wouldn't have decided the game... but getting it wrong and giving UNCheat 2 pts. did, basically.
The 10 man committee has obligations throughout the tournament. Tournament seeding is not all they do.
Someone in another thread even said they help evaluate officiating.....
Someone in another thread even said they help evaluate officiating.....
Or it could have been that someone from the NCAA chewed their asses out at halftime like Gabriel reported.
How did it decide the game? It put UNC up three with 37 seconds left. I mean does the 3-point shot get eliminated under a minute? Arky has terrific shooters---especially Hannas. Exactly how did it decided the game? Now...did it change the game? Yep. Sure did. But that's a far cry from deciding the game.
Here's my take FWIW:
Basket Interference Bam: I think it was clearly the wrong call, but I don't beat up the crew for that call...those close BI calls are hard to get right in real time without the benefit of video review...which I hate because the games become absurdly long.
Willis Call: Completely agree with your take.
Push on Bam Putback: That one didn't upset me that much...close for sure. When Briscoe had Meeks blocked out and he contacted his back...resulting in a lost possession for UK, that was a similar call that didn't get made by Higgins.
Fox Block: Completely disagree on this one...Fox had legal guarding position and was moving obliquely as allowed by rule. The offensive player went right through his sternum and never got any part of his head and shoulders past Fox. That was a middle school call. In Higgins' defense, one of his partners blew that one.
Fox Drive to Basket end of 1st half: You didn't reference that one, but Meeks was nowhere near vertical when he bear hugged Fox on the drive. Clearly a miss.
I thought there were some missed calls on UNC as well, but overall we got the worst of it in the first half. Hey, it happens...it's a tough gig for sure. Peace.
RE: ARK-UNCheat --Still bet you wouldn't want to be ARK in that situation. Wonder why not?
Anyway, all that UK in your life, but it seems the 2 second clip is your main exposure to the CONN FLOP? Hmmm...
Love to hear their take on your various that-call-that-went-against-UK-but-was-kinda-sorta-you-could-maybe-see-how-and-I-think-one-of-his-eyebrows-was-still-moving refereeing opinions.
Well, give my best GO BIG BLUE!!! to your wife. God knows she needs it... already bears a very heavy cross.
I hope you have a daughter and an axe.
