WOW Bombshell! Dick Gabriel just reported.....

[Lumpy 2]

This is fair. I shouldn't have been so definite. To say it would never happen was erenous on may part. So I'll retract and say---" I highly doubt it happened. With all my years of experience, and never hearing of such a situation occurring, I find it highly unlikely to have happened".

As for never officiating a game not important enough(for a supervisor to attend). That is incorrect. MOF, "supervisors" attend almost every single game. Someone of that nature normally does. And it's not uncommon for them to visit during halftime. And certainly after the game. But not once have any of them ever came in and said---"You guys need to get your shit together". The visit is more of a positioning, mechanics type of thing. Calls are discussed at times. But never questioned. Now after a game? Different story. EVery game is broken down when we finished.

Back to "game of importance". I've worked numerous conference tourney's. And on multiple occasions, we have met with the HOO. No big deal, really. After all, the new HOO is the corrdinator of officials for two, small mid-major conference's; Mid-America/Summit.

I see you have edited this post and I have a couple of questions. In your original post on page 4 you said this would never happen at halftime, maybe after the game, and if it did happen only the 3 officials and J.D. Collins would be the only ones who knew. Now you say it's not uncommon for a supervisor to visit at halftime. If that supervisor observes what he determines to be blatant cheating during the first half, are you saying he just keeps his mouth shut and doesn't discuss it with the officials until after the game has been decided? Does he not have an obligation to see that the game is called fairly? If not why is he sent to observe in the first place?

If you are an honest official I would think you would want to see every game called fairly and any official defending Higgins' actions in that game brings their own integrity into question.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

I see you have edited this post and I have a couple of questions. In your original post on page 4 you said this would never happen at halftime, maybe after the game, and if it did happen only the 3 officials and J.D. Collins would be the only ones who knew. Now you say it's not uncommon for a supervisor to visit at halftime. If that supervisor observes what he determines to be blatant cheating during the first half, are you saying he just keeps his mouth shut and doesn't discuss it with the officials until after the game has been decided? Does he not have an obligation to see that the game is called fairly? If not why is he sent to observe in the first place?

If you are an honest official I would think you would want to see every game called fairly and any official defending Higgins' actions in that game brings their own integrity into question.

If you guys have paid attention, as Lumpy has noticed above, this IU fan has contradicted herself many times. Not just here, but between here and the Narional Board as well. Stop messing with this "official." She's wasting your time. She's full of shit. She's an IU fan, nothing more. She's bored and has found something to do.

 

[dezyDeco]

If you guys have paid attention, as Lumpy has noticed above, this IU fan has contradicted herself many times. Not just here, but between here and the Narional Board as well. Stop messing with this "official." She's wasting your time. She's full of shit. She's an IU fan, nothing more. She's bored and has found something to do.

Thanks for ending my evening with a good laugh!

 

[preacherfan]

He came to a definite conclusion via a 2-second video? No wonder he was a D2 official for 30 years.

You keep sinking further and further into absurdity. But, what else would we expect from an IU fan.

 

[Bigblueforever]

You beat me to it. I would feel just a little better about the situation if the NCAA publicly booted him off the FF, but leaving him on the officiating crew tells me all I need to know.

Stop him be a ref for good.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I see you have edited this post and I have a couple of questions. In your original post on page 4 you said this would never happen at halftime, maybe after the game, and if it did happen only the 3 officials and J.D. Collins would be the only ones who knew. Now you say it's not uncommon for a supervisor to visit at halftime. If that supervisor observes what he determines to be blatant cheating during the first half, are you saying he just keeps his mouth shut and doesn't discuss it with the officials until after the game has been decided? Does he not have an obligation to see that the game is called fairly? If not why is he sent to observe in the first place?

If you are an honest official I would think you would want to see every game called fairly and any official defending Higgins' actions in that game brings their own integrity into question.

It's not uncommon for a supervisor, observer, etc, etc...to visit at halftime. It is very, very unusual for one of them to tell officials to get their shit together. I've never had a supervisor tell me or our crew, "you guys nned to get it together". For the most part it's nothing more than a "how are you doing" kinda of showing. But there are times when certain plays/situations/rotations, etc,etc...are discussed. But they are nothing more than information gathering talks; not a "scolding".

As for feeling there is blatant cheating. I cannot think of any supervisor, observer, coordinator who's ever brought this into question. If he felt you were capable of cheating, you wouldn't be working the game.

That is my whole point. Even if JD went in and talk to the crew, it was probably noting more than "official talk/locker room" stuff. Somewhere in the neighborhood of, "good one going on out there, today". SOmeting of that nature. Cdertainly not----"Guys get your shit together. Looks to me like you're cheating". That ain't happening.

As for being critical. That comes from tape sessions. All games are graded. You are sent a DVD of the game, and calls of questions are tagged. In some cases, you may get a phone call to discuss why you made a certain call, or calls. But non of this has ever, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, taken place during halftime of any game. Much less an Elite 8 game.

 

[IUfanBorden]

You keep sinking further and further into absurdity. But, what else would we expect from an IU fan.

Says the guy who quoted a 30-year Division 2 official.

 

[IUfanBorden]

If you guys have paid attention, as Lumpy has noticed above, this IU fan has contradicted herself many times. Not just here, but between here and the Narional Board as well. Stop messing with this "official." She's wasting your time. She's full of shit. She's an IU fan, nothing more. She's bored and has found something to do.

She would like for you to point out these contradictions.

 

[KMKAT]

The 10 man committee has obligations throughout the tournament. Tournament seeding is not all they do.

Someone in another thread even said they help evaluate officiating.....

If that committee can come out with a straight face, and state the Higgins is one of the best refs in the game, and he deserves his assignments, well, there is no justice within the NCAA.

The Higgins agenda is obvious, and no debate will change that thought.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Here's my take FWIW:
Basket Interference Bam: I think it was clearly the wrong call, but I don't beat up the crew for that call...those close BI calls are hard to get right in real time without the benefit of video review...which I hate because the games become absurdly long.
Willis Call: Completely agree with your take.
Push on Bam Putback: That one didn't upset me that much...close for sure. When Briscoe had Meeks blocked out and he contacted his back...resulting in a lost possession for UK, that was a similar call that didn't get made by Higgins.
Fox Block: Completely disagree on this one...Fox had legal guarding position and was moving obliquely as allowed by rule. The offensive player went right through his sternum and never got any part of his head and shoulders past Fox. That was a middle school call. In Higgins' defense, one of his partners blew that one.
Fox Drive to Basket end of 1st half: You didn't reference that one, but Meeks was nowhere near vertical when he bear hugged Fox on the drive. Clearly a miss.

I thought there were some missed calls on UNC as well, but overall we got the worst of it in the first half. Hey, it happens...it's a tough gig for sure. Peace.

Thought I referenced the Fox drive at the end of the half. Guess i didn't. That was bad. Not only did I not feel Meeks was vertical, I thought he "stepped into his jump". Thus making the principle of verticality mute.

Fox block will just agree to disagree.

It is a tough gig. I enjoyed it. Miss it, but being with my family was more important. Now I got the best of both worlds----Work a much smaller schedule, get time with the family. SOn leave for the service this coming fall, and daugther leaves for college. So I am considering going back full-time. PLus I had a hear issue couple years back, and had to cut back eve more.

Thanks for the cordial response.,

 

[IUfanBorden]

RE: ARK-UNCheat --Still bet you wouldn't want to be ARK in that situation. Wonder why not?

Anyway, all that UK in your life, but it seems the 2 second clip is your main exposure to the CONN FLOP? Hmmm...

Love to hear their take on your various that-call-that-went-against-UK-but-was-kinda-sorta-you-could-maybe-see-how-and-I-think-one-of-his-eyebrows-was-still-moving refereeing opinions.

Well, give my best GO BIG BLUE!!! to your wife. God knows she needs it... already bears a very heavy cross.

No she doesn't. BAsketball is a hobby. It's a game. It doesn't decide our happiness. Matter of fact, we watch every IU and UK game together. It's not life and death to us. But thanks for your concern.

 

[Gothic1960]

Why in hell do you guys keep feeding this troll? IUfanBorden is probably a 15 year old girl smoking a joint & laughing her ass off at you for letting her turn this into a complete bumbass circle jerk.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS

 

[IUfanBorden]

Which of those positions would you have chosen for your team to be in? Bet it's not ARK!

That's what makes it worse, BTW. Making the right call there (travel on Berry) wouldn't have decided the game... but getting it wrong and giving UNCheat 2 pts. did, basically.

Which position would I rather be in? Of course I'd rather only be down one. But then again, I'd rather been the position I was just a few minutes earlier---up 5,with 3 minutes to go. What call/calls caused them to turn it over three times, take contested, 25'-shot clock beating jumpers? I mean couldnt that have also been a reason they lost?

 

[IUfanBorden]

Why in hell do you guys keep feeding this troll? IUfanBorden is probably a 15 year old girl smoking a joint & laughing her ass off at you for letting her turn this into a complete bumbass circle jerk.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS

Far from a troll. Or 15. Smoking a joint, and laughing though............

I'm not trolling. Just gave an opinon on why I do not think anyone from the NCAA wne t into the locker room, and scolded the officials. Highly, highly doubtful.

 

[TankedCat]

you guys are all over the place.

I really don't have an opinion on Higgins. Yes, he's been involved with a high number of UK losses and given we win at a pretty substantive clip, the odds should be that Higgins should have reffed more wins for us than losses similar to any other ref. If those numbers are skewed then its a legitimate question.

But don't muddy the waters with bad calls/no call that are irrelevant to the UK loss.

 

[aikenite4uk]

Why in hell do you guys keep feeding this troll? IUfanBorden is probably a 15 year old girl smoking a joint & laughing her ass off at you for letting her turn this into a complete bumbass circle jerk.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS

No, I don't think so. He knows way too much about officiating. Please dude...

 

[Lumpy 2]

She would like for you to point out these contradictions.

1. What Gabriel reported didn't happen. (post 122) To say it would never happen would be erroneous on my part. (post 212)

2.Only Collins and the 3 officials would know. ( post 122) Supervisors attend almost every game and it's not uncommon for them to visit officials' locker room at halftime, (post 213)

3. Could officials be corrupt-sure. Has it happened- I'm sure it has. (post 135)

4. The chance of an official being corrupt is like .000000000000000001%. (post 138) Refused to work with people who refuse to hold themselves accountable. (post 152) Has Higgins held himself accountable by admitting he made some horrible calls/non-calls in our game?

5. Collins would never go into the locker room and tell the officials to "get their shit together. (post 246) It would be unusual for a supervisor to "get their shit together." (post 246)

Another call I haven't seen you mention was when Maye attempted the dunk in the first half and missed, then hung on the rim and the ball bounced up and came back down and rattled in. In your opinion, was that another missed call on an obvious offensive interference and why did all 3 officials miss that call since they all had a clear view of the plat?

 

[drainthatub]

IU fan Borden = John Higgins

 

[dezyDeco]

No she doesn't. BAsketball is a hobby. It's a game. It doesn't decide our happiness. Matter of fact, we watch every IU and UK game together. It's not life and death to us. But thanks for your concern.

Awwww... you're Schmoopie! When they're playing at the same time, which one gets recorded?

Okay... I gotta know... your take on the flagrant foul near the end of the CONN Women's game? I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds fishy as I read the reports. Glad the Bulldogs (SEC! SEC! SEC!) pulled it off.

 

[dezyDeco]

you guys are all over the place.


But don't muddy the waters with bad calls/no call that are irrelevant to the UK loss.

I'm only cross-referencing the ARK-UNCheat bullfeces officiating as it relates to the larger NCAA scheme (of helping/protecting UNCheat) that Higgins is a part of. The UK game was a double-dip for them-- simultaneously helping UNCheat and hurting UK (and the SEC to a lesser extent).

 

[CapnBlubs]

There have been so many people in this thread willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this tool.

He's a joke, and a troll.

 

[CapnBlubs]

I'm not here trying to gain "trust". What do I need your trust for? I mean I could've went the route of a coward, and created an account just to "troll". But that's not me.

"Fool"? Do you even understand the meaning of this word? By your usage, i doubt you do.

I was more than "cut out for the job". I walked away from a full-time schedule to spend more time with my wife and kids.

Was i a good official? C'mon, now---That;s a trick question. We all know there is no such thing.

As for the play in question? It's a 2 second video. From what I see, it appears Darius put his hand in the back of UConn player---Giving a slight "push". JMO.

have a good day,fella.

Don't ask whether I understand the meaning of words when you drop beautiful grammar on us like "could've went."

Stay in Indiana, please.

And yes, you're quite a fool.

 

[Bryo72]

The IU fan has made some comments that have me confused. First he says that the only person who could have had a conversation with Higgins would have been J.D. Collins, the head of NCAA officials. In a later post he says there are observers at the games watching the officials. What is their purpose of being there if they are unable to address a situation where they think an official is being biased? He also says that the officials' performance would never be addressed until after the game. If there is an observer at the game who determines that an official is being biased against one of the teams in the first half of that game, why would he be required to wait until after the game to address the situation? If this is the case, then the head of officials is complicit in the cheating.

I don't know if Higgins was talked to at halftime or not but I don't think anyone can dispute that the first half and the second half of that game was officiated differently. I believe something happened at halftime that caused Higgins to change the way he called the second half.

I smell bs

 

[Bryo72]

I smell bs

Unfortunately it is what it is....but officials and I'm sorry too say, Vegas was was involved....no facts, just gut

 

[Bryo72]

Like Ronnie James Dio says, " the mob rules!"

 

[Bryo72]

UK was hosed!!! No matter what

Asking a team (UK)...to play one these teams again! In the tournament...? Not just one team we already faced but a multitude... Exception Michigan st, we WE'RE hurt...(keeping it clean)...

 

[Bryo72]

Asking a team (UK)...to play one these teams again! In the tournament...? Not just one team we already faced but a multitude... Exception Michigan st, we WE'RE hurt...(keeping it clean)...

Not that this team, couldn't...(because they got much better)...but we against the refs, the committee and the teams themselves...

 

[Bryo72]

Again, like last year and year before...UK...got hosed...in the tournament all the way around...

 

[Bryo72]

Since 2012, last yr we won...no other team who has won NCAA title since had to go through a tough bracket. 2012 team..(Iowa st, Baylor, IU, Louisville (missing a team) then Kansas...very tough run

 

[Bryo72]

That's a murder's row...

 

[Bryo72]

Hell 2011, went through a tough one..to get to the final four!

 

[jackcarlson]

it was pretty obvious that we were shafted in the 1st half. I can easily recall bad calls in the first half, that caused a 6-point swing in favor of UNC! That may not sound like much, but it would have changed the outcome of the game. 6 points is a LOT in a nailbiter.

 

[Mojocat]

does anyone know if in fact Gabriel actually said this?

I was skeptical too - most of the time when I read on here about some alleged quote, it was never said or was said much differently than portrayed. But this is legit - someone linked the podcast (earlier in this thread, I think). And he said it. You should listen for yourself, but basically he said something like "the officiating was so noticeably different in the second half that I wondered if something was said to the officials at the half because I've seen that before. And I was right, I've heard from someone I trust who would know that the message was communicated at the half to do better." That's the paraphrase, but it's close. So he says two things that conflict with what the IU fan who refs says: one, he's seen it before, and two, it happened here.

 

[dezyDeco]

So he says two things that conflict with what the IU fan who refs says: one, he's seen it before, and two, it happened here.

Good enough for me. Thank you very much!

 

[preacherfan]

Says the guy who quoted a 30-year Division 2 official.

You are really a jerk. There is no other way to put it.

Don't ask whether I understand the meaning of words when you drop beautiful grammar on us like "could've went."

Stay in Indiana, please.

And yes, you're quite a fool.

Nice catch on the grammar. Pretty much shows this guy is a total fraud. Of course, he has demonstrated that time and time again in this thread. My best guess is that he refs for junior high girls or something like that. But, at any rate, the guy is a complete jerk. And, I don't normally say things like that.

 

[IUfanBorden]

1. What Gabriel reported didn't happen. (post 122) To say it would never happen would be erroneous on my part. (post 212)

2.Only Collins and the 3 officials would know. ( post 122) Supervisors attend almost every game and it's not uncommon for them to visit officials' locker room at halftime, (post 213)

3. Could officials be corrupt-sure. Has it happened- I'm sure it has. (post 135)

4. The chance of an official being corrupt is like .000000000000000001%. (post 138) Refused to work with people who refuse to hold themselves accountable. (post 152) Has Higgins held himself accountable by admitting he made some horrible calls/non-calls in our game?

5. Collins would never go into the locker room and tell the officials to "get their shit together. (post 246) It would be unusual for a supervisor to "get their shit together." (post 246)

Another call I haven't seen you mention was when Maye attempted the dunk in the first half and missed, then hung on the rim and the ball bounced up and came back down and rattled in. In your opinion, was that another missed call on an obvious offensive interference and why did all 3 officials miss that call since they all had a clear view of the plat?

Those are your examples of contradictions? You might wanna check the definition of contradictions. That^^^^^ain't it.

1. Me saying it would never happen was the wrong choice of words. To say noting could/would ever happen is way to broad. But I feel comfortable in saying that is highly, highly unlikely to happen. If it did happen, and JD or whomever felt the crew was intentionally screwing a team, that would have been addressed in some fashion. And no way would Higgins move onto the Final Four. You are basically just spinning shit to meet your agenda.

2. Again, how is that a contradiction? I said only JD and three officials would know if what was said, was said. Then I say later it is not uncommon for supervisors to visit a locker room. OK. How am I contradicting myself? I am beginning to wonder if you truly know what the word means.

3. I have no idea what you're getting at.

4. How do I know if Higgins has held himself accountable? I didn't work the game. I don't talk to the guy. Hell you guys have his number. Call and ask him.

5. Again, no idea what you're getting at.

As for the Maye dunk. You really feel that is BI? Why? He dunked the ball, held onto the rim for a second--if that long. He didn't touch the ball while on the rim, did he? That play has happened a thousand times. I cannot recall once where BI has ever been called. Can you? But of course now you feel it is. It's not.

 

[bigbluedon]

I only read the last page of this but if this IU guy who claims to be an official says that Fox's foul in the first half against the little white guy was a block, then he is totally incompetent or trolling as some here suggest. That was a charge on Carolina and there is no way to even "rule book" your way out of it. I have been an official for 42 years and that call was one of the easiest to make I have ever seen. Is this person really an official? It makes no difference if you show ignorance like this.

 

[Lumpy 2]

Those are your examples of contradictions? You might wanna check the definition of contradictions. That^^^^^ain't it.

1. Me saying it would never happen was the wrong choice of words. To say noting could/would ever happen is way to broad. But I feel comfortable in saying that is highly, highly unlikely to happen. If it did happen, and JD or whomever felt the crew was intentionally screwing a team, that would have been addressed in some fashion. And no way would Higgins move onto the Final Four. You are basically just spinning shit to meet your agenda.

2. Again, how is that a contradiction? I said only JD and three officials would know if what was said, was said. Then I say later it is not uncommon for supervisors to visit a locker room. OK. How am I contradicting myself? I am beginning to wonder if you truly know what the word means.

3. I have no idea what you're getting at.

4. How do I know if Higgins has held himself accountable? I didn't work the game. I don't talk to the guy. Hell you guys have his number. Call and ask him.

5. Again, no idea what you're getting at.

As for the Maye dunk. You really feel that is BI? Why? He dunked the ball, held onto the rim for a second--if that long. He didn't touch the ball while on the rim, did he? That play has happened a thousand times. I cannot recall once where BI has ever been called. Can you? But of course now you feel it is. It's not.

A definition of contradiction is inconsistency,

1. You first said what Gabriel reported would never happen. You then said it was unlikely which means you admitted it could have happened. Thar's a contradiction. Now you are saying if it did happen it would have been addressed in some fashion it would have been addressed in some fashion. Since your original statement said it would never happen, that's another contradiction.
2.Your first claim was that only Collins and the 3 officials would know what really happened. Then you say that supervisors are assigned to most games and it's not uncommon for them to visit the locker room at halftime which means that the supervisor assigned to that game, if he visited the locker room at halftime, would know what was said to the officials.

3. You admitted that officials could be corrupt and and you also admitted you had never called a game with Higgins. That means you have no idea whether or not Higgins is one of those corrupt officials even though you have defended his integrity. Another contradiction.

4. Have you seen or heard any statements from Higgins about the calls he missed in that game? If he had any integrity he would admit his mistakes. There's a reason he is known as the most loathed official in college basketball.

5. That one is self explanatory; in the same post you said Collins would never go into into the locker room and tell the officials to get their shit together. In the same post you say it would be unusual for a supervisor to go into the locker room and tell the officials to get their shit together. Another contradiction.

A Definition of offensive basket interference is: Pulling down the rim of the basket so that it contacts the ball before returning to it's natural position. The rim was not back to it's natural position and the rim was shaking when the ball made contact then went in. Another definition is to vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce. You must have missed that class in referee school.

 

[RipThru]

I only read the last page of this but if this IU guy who claims to be an official says that Fox's foul in the first half against the little white guy was a block, then he is totally incompetent or trolling as some here suggest. That was a charge on Carolina and there is no way to even "rule book" your way out of it. I have been an official for 42 years and that call was one of the easiest to make I have ever seen. Is this person really an official? It makes no difference if you show ignorance like this.

This Indiana guy is the same guy on the national board says that officials pregame to talk about players and coaches, but don't have pre-conceived ideas about them. He wants everybody to believe he is really important and will defend an official to the end.

 

[preacherfan]

This Indiana guy is the same guy on the national board says that officials pregame to talk about players and coaches, but don't have perconceived ideas about them. He wants everybody to believe he is really important and will defend an official to the end.

Agreed. The fact that he completely misrepresented goal tending is enough to demonstrate that he is a total fraud. Most fans would know what offensive goal tending is. An official should know the ins and outs.