Why Is UK Possibly Dead Last in Collective Money in SEC For Football Recruits?

[bigblueinsanity]

Lol after UL got nothing and UTs AD posts a highly produced nil video today that's directly targeted to recruits - we all should be ready to show up at Mitch's door with the proverbial pitchforks.

If he isn't going to unbutton his polo and stop driving 55; we need someone that will. Asap

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

And Alabama isn't poor? And Mississippi isn't poor? And Louisiana and Arkansas and West Virginia and Oklahoma aren't poor?

The one difference I see, is that in Kentucky basketball is the bigger priority, has the bigger fanbase, and there is only 2 other states that can say that (NC and Indiana). And between the Triangle and Charlotte, NC has money to support both big sports.

That's kind of my point. We may have the resources to get good basketball talent but may not have the resources for both basketball and football. It's pure speculation at this point. It also wouldn't surprise me if some of the schools in the poor states you mentioned also have issues. It really depends on how much growing up a fan of a team remains an important factor in where kids want to play. Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana, all have significantly more home grown talent than we do. That could help them weather NIL better than we do. If it all comes down to who pays more, then I doubt many small market teams will do well. Time will tell either way.

 

[Big Cat fan]

Mitch has allowed UofL to get the jump on UK by not pressuring UPS, Jim Beam, YUM and even Churchill Downs to sponsor the state’s FLAGSHIP university over its Little Brother.

This should make ALL UK coaches and fans INFURIATED!!!

Mitch allowed everything bad against the program.

 

[Girthang]

I think we can all agree on here that we want a level playing field here when it comes to NIL. Not more than anyone else, just a fairly level playing field. We aren’t going to get the guys that go to Bama or Georgia or even LSU. They will continue to load up on 5 star players but at least we can increase our odds to land more than 2 or 3 a class. What we are working with now is not enough and I think there are people out there ready to spend the money to make things happen here. Again, why would Mitch not want that? Is it ego? Control? And while we are at it, sell the damn beer. Quit being such a hypocrite. It’s a cold bud light not crack or heroin. You have to adapt to the landscape or you get passed right on by. What’s his motto? “Let’s be Mediocre”?

We've gotten guys with commitable offers and pursuit from LSU and Bama. I wouldn't expect a "cal" handled poster to know that, so I'll just chalk it up to basketball first mentality. We don't win as many as we lose, but we have been winning some.

If the alcohol sales in the stadium isn't going to make us money, why sell it? Why give the money to what is likely an out-of-state interest/bev company, when the local businesses can make money off of selling to the tailgate crowd? Why bankrupt them AND the fans attending the game, so that we can make less than a dollar per beer as a program. We can't eat our cake and have it too.

I have a better idea, and I will run it past the AD directly, if I still have his email address (and it's the same from 15 years ago- lol).

 

[Girthang]

The JB Hunt family is putting a bunch toward NIL in basketball. Unfortunately most Arkansas fans are underwhelmed with the lack of NIL support for football compared to a lot of other schools. Of course putting up $8 million for a QB recruit like Tennessee is doing seems dumb to me anyway when he could turn out to be the next Spencer Rattler. I'm not sure why programs aren't just trying to poach already proven college QBs from other teams using that money instead of unproven high school kids.

Now that is what we will see this year, with the nCaa refusing to reign in the NIL inducements..

 

[calismyhero]

We've gotten guys with commitable offers and pursuit from LSU and Bama. I wouldn't expect a "cal" handled poster to know that, so I'll just chalk it up to basketball first mentality. We don't win as many as we lose, but we have been winning some.

If the alcohol sales in the stadium isn't going to make us money, why sell it? Why give the money to what is likely an out-of-state interest/bev company, when the local businesses can make money off of selling to the tailgate crowd? Why bankrupt them AND the fans attending the game, so that we can make less than a dollar per beer as a program. We can't eat our cake and have it too.

I have a better idea, and I will run it past the AD directly, if I still have his email address (and it's the same from 15 years ago- lol).

Don’t act like you know me. I’m as big, maybe bigger football fans than basketball. I’m a 30 year season ticket holder and follow everything UK. I’m fully aware we have guys committed that have offers from the big boys. The promise of early playing time helps us in that regard. My point in the post is why would we not want to be on a level playing field with everybody else. We need as many 4 and 5 star skill guys as we can get. If that’s not happening because our AD wants to hoard all of the donations then that needs to change..I wanna see us lineup with 4 wide receivers just as talented as Tennessee. We have a couple, we need more. We need speed at every position. That is sorely lacking. So if you your inside connections can get that done then I and then rest of the football fans would be beholden to you. I don’t really care how we do it as long as we compete like everybody else.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

No. If NIL collectives aren’t there to pour into football, they won’t be pouring into basketball either.
The state is lacking in gajillionaires.

We will see.

 

[3632]

Lol 1 person.

Guess they need someone to answer the phone or read email in case an ad calls in to self report their star RB for virtually nothing

Noone wants to do what UL and ut are doing per SE but absolutely need to be allowed to function in the gray.

Instead top button Mitch is driving 55 during rush hour while everyone else zooms by driving 8 over the speed limit.

Apparently we could do it for the ncaa. Just have them outsource to Mitch.

 

[Girthang]

Don’t act like you know me...

Lol
Didn't say I knew you, but from your post you don't know recruiting. I simply corrected you.

. I don’t really care how we do it as long as we compete like everybody else.

So you're no different than UT fans in that regard. Ok. Guess you missed the lessons of the Albert Means recruitment? I didn't.

Here's where UK football stands compared to the big boys in the SEC-

-smallest football fanbase
-smallest revenue available (because of basketball demands)
-smallest viewer footprint
-smallest recruiting base (even below Vandy with this one)
-lacking in blue blood football history
-academically ok
-furthest north
-clearly on the target side of ncaa investigations rather than protected like UT or Bama

If we are in an NIL bidding war with Bama, UGA, UF, OM, MSU, UT, Mizzou, A&M, TX, OK, USC, and AU... where do you think we will finish? They can outbid us for anyone. Vandy might be able to as well.

Where we have a shot is with our staff and how they've developed at some positions. How they've adapted to personnel. How they've fought to play above their pay grade for 6 years.

We've been outrecruited on paper for decades. This staff has won anyway and recruited very well. Now that we've been winning that next step up looms and it's a lot more difficult than people expected or understood.

Transitioning from recruiting and developing high 3-4 stars with an occasional 5 star is way different than recruiting 4 &5 stars along with trying to get enough high 3s to develop and hold on to. 10 wins every couple years? Sure. Winning the East? Got to have the exact right mix and a few breaks your way, otherwise the other 4-5 teams trying to do the same with more would have unseat UGA and UF YEARS ago.

You don't just go from winning bowl games to landing 4 or 5 "5 star" players, and that hills harder to climb to get that 5 star QB.

We've gotten 4 stars at the position and have seen some payoff from that. Haven't gotten a lot of 5 star linemen, WR, or RBs. And you an others like you think that's just gonna happen because we throw middle money at recruits? Lol! This is more like trading stocks and options than playing Nintendo football. You don't just get millions when starting with 5 dollars to invest. You have to pay your dues.

Stoops, Marrow, and the staff are paying those dues for us. It's paying off and the people that wanted him gone early in his time here are now wanting to replace him because they have no patience or understanding. Some.more think our AD doesn't want football to use NIL, because he doesn't want to do it wrong. Why should we listen to people that never got it right before? That wanted Stoops fired early? That are basketball first anyway?

NIL is a valuable tool if used properly, but you can't just throw money at a young man to get him to come here, because no matter how much you offer/pay you can't make him play here, make him develop here, or make him stay here after he gets paid.

YOU, SIR, ARE NOT going to sign a kid to a 500k NIL deal without knowing if he'll play for UK, or if he'll even be any good. Are you? If you are rolling in that kinda dough, get in touch with people today. You can sign a 4 or 5 star athlete to an NIL deal without asking the AD a damn thing.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Apparently we could do it for the ncaa. Just have them outsource to Mitch.

I will never get over the fact we self reported and suspended a star RB for 3 games for doing something scores of others were doing. All while UT and UL are literally openly paying players.

There's never been a more perfect snapshot example of why we either need a change of approach by the ad or a change of ad

 

[YaketySax]

Has anyone here been to the website yet? Open to individuals or businesses...

Influencer

dash.inflcr.com

I think most people in this thread haven't even bothered to look at the website yet. I'm pretty sure most would rather complain than chip in.

So quit bitchin' and get to payin'!

 

[AE82]

We've gotten guys with commitable offers and pursuit from LSU and Bama. I wouldn't expect a "cal" handled poster to know that, so I'll just chalk it up to basketball first mentality. We don't win as many as we lose, but we have been winning some.

If the alcohol sales in the stadium isn't going to make us money, why sell it? Why give the money to what is likely an out-of-state interest/bev company, when the local businesses can make money off of selling to the tailgate crowd? Why bankrupt them AND the fans attending the game, so that we can make less than a dollar per beer as a program. We can't eat our cake and have it too.

I have a better idea, and I will run it past the AD directly, if I still have his email address (and it's the same from 15 years ago- lol).

My suggestion is for him to retire because he sucks! Please pass that on. However, I will settle for alcohol sales and better NIL implementation so we can compete.

 

[Tnvol77]

Tom Cook, was an Auburn alum. Not Steve Jobs. However we get t

UT's is spearheaded by the guy that use to own Pilot truck stops and who's brother is ex governor. Another alunni is the owner of Direct TV, he could be getting a little worried and not involved the the Pilot guys is. AU's is in Technical things, the recently passed, Steve Jobs, was an alunni. Bana had coal and steel for awhile, not sure what they have now other than every piece of clothing a fan wears has to pay royalities to the school.

Auburns biggest booster is the yellowwood guy and spyre at tennessee is not headed by a Hasslam but carry on with it

 

[yoshukai]

Yup, got cheat to keep up with the dirty programs. AKA "bold leadership" Tom Jurich style.

I don’t advocate cheating. But the restrictions Mitch has placed on the use of NIL payouts is going to be akin to “self imposed probation “ so .

 

[Bill Bixby II]

I don’t advocate cheating. But the restrictions Mitch has placed on the use of NIL payouts is going to be akin to “self imposed probation “ so .

Specifically which restrictions?

 

[yoshukai]

Specifically which restrictions?

It’s been discussed on this board many times, maybe in this thread . But it all boils down to his stance that nil money is to be used for players currently in our sports programs as apposed to “enticing “ recruits with it .

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

It’s been discussed on this board many times, maybe in this thread . But it all boils down to his stance that nil money is to be used for players currently in our sports programs as apposed to “enticing “ recruits with it .

Isn't that specifically against the rules? So isn't that technically cheating?

 

[Bill Bixby II]

It’s been discussed on this board many times, maybe in this thread . But it all boils down to his stance that nil money is to be used for players currently in our sports programs as apposed to “enticing “ recruits with it .

So he doesn't want to blatantly cheat and violate NCAA rules and state law? That's the issue? We need to get an AD in here who is willing to cheat and break rules like Tennessee and Louisville?

 

[BBNFORLIFE]

Little Eddie, get with the SEC. Grass field 🍺

I say yes to grass and beer. We need them both to watch this horse shit.

 

[yoshukai]

Isn't that specifically against the rules? So isn't that technically cheating?

Evidently it’s a gray area that several schools are interpreting differently.

 

[yoshukai]

So he doesn't want to blatantly cheat and violate NCAA rules and state law? That's the issue? We need to get an AD in here who is willing to cheat and break rules like Tennessee and Louisville?

I didn’t say I wanted him to allow it . I said it’s really hurting us. Several schools (maybe most schools) are doing it . It’s just a fact. Personally, I believe Mitch is using nil the way it was written and intended to use . I also don’t believe there will ever be any repercussions against schools that are abusing it .

 

[Girthang]

I didn’t say I wanted him to allow it . I said it’s really hurting us. Several schools (maybe most schools) are doing it . It’s just a fact. Personally, I believe Mitch is using nil the way it was written and intended to use . I also don’t believe there will ever be any repercussions against schools that are abusing it .

Just like it was before the mid 90s. The lesser offenders will be punished, while the big offenders won't because of the money behind them. Texas, UCLA, USC, UT, Bama, OSU, etc did what SMU was doing. Who got the death penalty?

UCLA, UNC, etc were doing what UK was suspected of doing, but which school was plastered all over SI for one FedEx envelope?

The commonality is market share. Revenue. History.

 

[yoshukai]

Just like it was before the mid 90s. The lesser offenders will be punished, while the big offenders won't because of the money behind them. Texas, UCLA, USC, UT, Bama, OSU, etc did what SMU was doing. Who got the death penalty?

UCLA, UNC, etc were doing what UK was suspected of doing, but which school was plastered all over SI for one FedEx envelope?

The commonality is market share. Revenue. History.

Good point.Actually you could probably say the same thing about the Hal Mumme era . I will always believe they didn’t do anything the rest of the SEC wasn’t doing.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Just saw where Auburn has 13 million dollars in collective money for football recruits and same article on KSR said UK’s collective money was far, far less than other SEC schools.
I for one am done with the Miss Goodie Two Shoes of our AD Barnhart. Yes, he has built up the non revenue sports but at what price. We are one of 4 SEC among the 14 who does not allow alcohol for all fans while allowing it in the suites. What a double standard.
UK’s(Barnhart). stance on providing critical NIL money is putting UK far behind other SEC football schools whose tradition already surpassed UK’s and put us at a recruiting disadvantage. Times change and UK has to change with the times or be left behind. Our current football recruiting class only ranks in the mid forties nationally while others such as UT, Georgia, Bama and others are top 10. I say it’s time to get rid of Mitch and bring in a visionary. Football revenues are the lifeline of all SEC schools and we cannot afford to have a terrible NIL program for our recruiting needs and a school that won’t sell alcohol to the general fans missing out on another 2 million dollars per year.

I personally don't care if they ever sell alcohol being on the aisle and no way in hell you sell 2 million dollars worth of the rot gut suff for 7/8 fb games. That's 250k a game.

 

[sluggercatfan]

No money here? Ky controls the worlds liquor and horse industry. Trust me we got nil money around here. Greedy money but $$ nevertheless

UK cannot raise as much NIL or corporate money as u6 does. You would think Toyota would be a big UK sponsor, but do you see it anywhere. My understanding is that they don't allocate fund for any sports programs.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Don’t act like you know me. I’m as big, maybe bigger football fans than basketball. I’m a 30 year season ticket holder and follow everything UK. I’m fully aware we have guys committed that have offers from the big boys. The promise of early playing time helps us in that regard. My point in the post is why would we not want to be on a level playing field with everybody else. We need as many 4 and 5 star skill guys as we can get. If that’s not happening because our AD wants to hoard all of the donations then that needs to change..I wanna see us lineup with 4 wide receivers just as talented as Tennessee. We have a couple, we need more. We need speed at every position. That is sorely lacking. So if you your inside connections can get that done then I and then rest of the football fans would be beholden to you. I don’t really care how we do it as long as we compete like everybody else.

As long as Stoops is HC , don't look for many 4 wrs lined up much.

 

[Madcat62]

We need the Horse Industry to help out or Toyota or maybe a Bourbon Company.

well, the horse industry should give the 6% to UK that
they don't pay in taxes at the yearling sales.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

We’re looking at a 2 win season… apparently.

 

[vhcat70]

Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think a Japanese owned , auto, super company gives a rats ass about our college football team. Id agree on the plethora of bourbon companies ponying up some money though.

Look at where KY's GDP ranks vs. other SEC states & B1G states. Our companies & people ain't got the money a lot of them do.

List of U.S. states and territories by GDP - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sluggercatfan]

We need the Horse Industry to help out or Toyota or maybe a Bourbon Company.

You may get the horse or bourbon industry's to join in , but I don't think Toyoyoa does any kind of contributions to colleges.

 

[maysvilleky]

UK cannot raise as much NIL or corporate money as u6 does. You would think Toyota would be a big UK sponsor, but do you see it anywhere. My understanding is that they don't allocate fund for any sports programs.

Toyota is into auto racing primarily.

 

[SaltyCat22]

The Local Kentucky Toyota Dealers care a little bit about post-game radio shows!

 

[SPECT imaging]

Just saw where Auburn has 13 million dollars in collective money for football recruits and same article on KSR said UK’s collective money was far, far less than other SEC schools.
I for one am done with the Miss Goodie Two Shoes of our AD Barnhart. Yes, he has built up the non revenue sports but at what price. We are one of 4 SEC among the 14 who does not allow alcohol for all fans while allowing it in the suites. What a double standard.
UK’s(Barnhart). stance on providing critical NIL money is putting UK far behind other SEC football schools whose tradition already surpassed UK’s and put us at a recruiting disadvantage. Times change and UK has to change with the times or be left behind. Our current football recruiting class only ranks in the mid forties nationally while others such as UT, Georgia, Bama and others are top 10. I say it’s time to get rid of Mitch and bring in a visionary. Football revenues are the lifeline of all SEC schools and we cannot afford to have a terrible NIL program for our recruiting needs and a school that won’t sell alcohol to the general fans missing out on another 2 million dollars per year.

This is a mindless rant. Riddle me this. What do UK football revenues have to do with NIL? (Answer: no connection.) What does alcohol for sale have to do with football recruiting or NIL?

Between high school and transfer portal signings, Stoops has been bringing in far more talent and winning more games than any previous Kentucky football coach. I don't want to be in a position of defending OR criticizing because I am intelligent enough to know what I don't know. But you don't know anything. BTW, have you contributed money to our collective?

 

[Verbal Kint II]

This is a mindless rant. Riddle me this. What do UK football revenues have to do with NIL? (Answer: no connection.) What does alcohol for sale have to do with football recruiting or NIL?

Between high school and transfer portal signings, Stoops has been bringing in far more talent and winning more games than any previous Kentucky football coach. I don't want to be in a position of defending OR criticizing because I am intelligent enough to know what I don't know. But you don't know anything. BTW, have you contributed money to our collective?

Auburn just like Tennessee with their tradition, in state, and regional talent, combined with all that magical NIL money, failed to sign a top 10 class in football or basketball, the two most prominent sports. It’s almost like this is made up BS.

 

[rye48]

Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think a Japanese owned , auto, super company gives a rats ass about our college football team. Id agree on the plethora of bourbon companies ponying up some money though.

A lot if the Bourbon Companies are foreign owned

 

[wildcatglenn]

If I hit the lotto, I'm gonna buy us a championship team. I just gotta pick the right damn numbers

 

[rye48]

Even if you give it to football we are never beating bama and Georgia and tn and Florida and Oklahoma and Texas and lsu and on and on. You would be giving your hard earned money to never win anything that matters.

Uk basketball doesn't need you or me. They have won before us, won during your seemingly miserable life (you seem way too angry about uk basketball success) and will win after we are dead and gone.

You mean past success

 

[Deeeefense]

How do we know how much NIL money is available for UK or any other school since these are private deals? What was the source where this info was published or was it?

IMO there is no way to measure the amount of NIL money available since one ever knows what business or private entity might negotiate a deal of any magnitude large or small tomorrow or the next day.

The GDP of the state of Kentucky is $260 Billion that ranks 6th in the SEC right next to Alabama and South Carolina, which busts that myth that Kentucky is one of the poorest SEC states. If Kentucky businesses and individuals spent say $5 Million a year on NIL deals that would equate to .0000192% of GDP. Anyone that thinks Kentucky is incapable if being competitive, if not a leader in NIL money is simply not aware of the facts.

Also the AD has no say so in the amount of money available as that does not come from UK.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

How do we know how much NIL money is available for UK or any other school since these are private deals? What was the source where this info was published or was it?

IMO there is no way to measure the amount of NIL money available since one ever knows what business or private entity might negotiate a deal of any magnitude large or small tomorrow or the next day.

The GDP of the state of Kentucky is $260 Billion that ranks 6th in the SEC right next to Alabama and South Carolina, which busts that myth that Kentucky is one of the poorest SEC states. If Kentucky businesses and individuals spent say $5 Million a year on NIL deals that would equate to .0000192% of GDP. Anyone that thinks Kentucky is incapable if being competitive, if not a leader in NIL money is simply not aware of the facts.

Also the AD has no say say in the amount of money available as that does not come from UK.

There is no way to know because it isn’t public information and no real way of verifying claims. “We” just know UK is last to keep up with the narrative.

 

[JHB4UK]

Doesn't help the University of Kentucky athletic NIL outlook if the biggest businesses in the state are:

1)international owned with zero interest in investing with local sports, or
2)aligned with UL and Louisville area sports

These are not problems faces by LSU or Bama or Georgia or Knoxville or Oklahoma or Arkansas