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Why Is UK Possibly Dead Last in Collective Money in SEC For Football Recruits?
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I see you just signed up. Which one of our old retreads are you anyway? Your arrogance reeks of a couple posters but I'm not sure yet. At any rate, yes, your opinions are superficial and simplistic, like asking a teenager. Your idea that there is plenty of money in Kentucky, from coal to horses to bourbon is silly. Most of that is corporate America or, even worse, international ownership. Generic wealth doesn't mean much though. Being wealthy and a UK booster is what is important. In that area, we have very shallow pockets.
Another of your genius level statements is thinking we can "easily" go into other states and get players we want and need. You said Calipari does it, it's easy. Do you want to retract that one summarily or do you want us to explain how absurdly naïve your statement is?
Why is that? Who helps that area? Why is UK worse off than most teams? Is our degree, that worthless? Kinda, circles back to one person.
There is plenty of money. Joe Craft bought the state fair champion ham for 5 million dollars. Others bid against him. If you can get people to pay that for a ham you can get them to support athletics.
I'm saying it's likely that the previous owner is still a Kentucky resident and was paid an awful lot by that Italian company, so the money from the purchase is likely still in the state. Even though the value of the company is out of the state currently, the previous owners got paid well for the purchase of their company.
Sure, because we built it. It's dipped many times and been able to be restored because we hired adequately and made changes as necessary.
Our recruiting dip was from #1 to #2. And even then it still worked out more often than not. The only year it was less than that was the year we went heavy in the portal for the experience factor.
Yes, and that is because Cal built that reputation at his other schools and brought it here. He's a coach players want to play for. If we had a football coach players wanted to play for, we could do much the same. And he is not doing it with KY talent because there isn't much. Similar to football.
We rarely recruit that few each season. We are typically rebuilding teams.
There are only a handful of mega football schools as well. I would argue with the openness of college basketball, there are more competitive schools than football.
Right, because we don't embrace NIL the way we should. Get us an AD who is open to it and embraces it, we could compete with most.
Yes!
I don't underestimate it all. The average fan would love to give, but the avg KY citizen, who are most fans, don't have it to give. It's not apathy, it's the choice between food and water for a lot of them.
Sure they are if they are allowed to embrace it the way they would like. Barnhart just isn't open to that.
I agree about football not being the priority. That is why I was perplexed so many to offense to Cal's comments about it. Like, are we really afraid of someone stating the obvious now?
However, I know we can contend in football with the right AD and coach at the helm. I appreciate much of what Stoops and Barnhardt have done, but it's time for new blood in both positions.
Sure, bud. Whatever you say!
P.s. When you have to resort to fallacies, it likely means you lack a solid argument.
Also, for your own mental health, I wouldn't let a stranger on the internet impact you so much.
The fans and alumni wield the power. If they thought for a minute that demand/revenue would decrease because they sponsored UL over UK, they'd sponsor UK. That's how it worked to get some money from Papa Johns
You are correct about Oregon. Although the Oregon/Nike connection is totally a unique deal. I don’t really count byu/Utah. BYU hasn’t been there to date. But even so it’s not great football either competes in.
Sure, because we built it. It's dipped many times and been able to be restored because we hired adequately and made changes as necessary.
Our recruiting dip was from #1 to #2. And even then it still worked out more often than not. The only year it was less than that was the year we went heavy in the portal for the experience factor.
Yes, and that is because Cal built that reputation at his other schools and brought it here. He's a coach players want to play for. If we had a football coach players wanted to play for, we could do much the same. And he is not doing it with KY talent because there isn't much. Similar to football.
We rarely recruit that few each season. We are typically rebuilding teams.
There are only a handful of mega football schools as well. I would argue with the openness of college basketball, there are more competitive schools than football.
Right, because we don't embrace NIL the way we should. Get us an AD who is open to it and embraces it, we could compete with most.
Yes!
I don't underestimate it all. The average fan would love to give, but the avg KY citizen, who are most fans, don't have it to give. It's not apathy, it's the choice between food and water for a lot of them.
Sure they are if they are allowed to embrace it the way they would like. Barnhart just isn't open to that.
I agree about football not being the priority. That is why I was perplexed so many to offense to Cal's comments about it. Like, are we really afraid of someone stating the obvious now?
However, I know we can contend in football with the right AD and coach at the helm. I appreciate much of what Stoops and Barnhardt have done, but it's time for new blood in both positions.
Sure, bud. Whatever you say!
P.s. When you have to resort to fallacies, it likely means you lack a solid argument.
Also, for your own mental health, I wouldn't let a stranger on the internet impact you so much.
Alabama, Florida, Georgia, tn, auburn, lsu, Texas a and m and soon to be Texas and Oklahoma. Those teams alone in the sec are schools that their best will beat UKs best in regards to NIL and brand and history and overall appeal. Keep on dreaming though.
Much of this thread misses the point in my opinion. All of the debate about what is available and how to access whatever $$ might be accessable for UK NIL is PECISELY Barnhart's responsibility to explore. It is squarely on him to find how to best position the programs to succeed in the NIL era. While we can debate it on an internet forum, it is his professional responsibility, and he knows all the players in the business/corporate world. To this point, he has been a 100% failure.
He does not address NIL as a part of the collegiant sports world that he is supposed to navigate; rather, he finds it an offense to his personal sensibilities. Therefore, he has placed his personal opinions above what is best for the university, at the cost, most specifically to the football program.
Regardless of how we all feel this week about our coaching staff, I would imagine that Mitch's hamstringing the football program with his personal objectives will lead to their seriously considering other offers from schools who are willing to compete in the real world. And, if they do leave, Mitch's NIL failure will be why it will be nearly impossible to attract a good coach for the future.
Just my opinion. GBB!
He does not address NIL as a part of the collegiant sports world that he is supposed to navigate; rather, he finds it an offense to his personal sensibilities. Therefore, he has placed his personal opinions above what is best for the university, at the cost, most specifically to the football program.
Regardless of how we all feel this week about our coaching staff, I would imagine that Mitch's hamstringing the football program with his personal objectives will lead to their seriously considering other offers from schools who are willing to compete in the real world. And, if they do leave, Mitch's NIL failure will be why it will be nearly impossible to attract a good coach for the future.
Just my opinion. GBB!
And he needs to start selling beer at home games and get rid of the turf and go grass field 🍺
It's funny that people don't understand the difference between money being IN THE STATE and money that is available to UK. Donating to athletics isn't something you should force anyone to do. This isn't China.
Also, revenue within Kentucky for many products is nowhere near what it is outside of KY.
People will donate out of the "goodness of their hearts" (or whatever makes them look the best in others' eyes) to charities. If there are a ton of very vocal people bitching about UK football, they're not gonna donate to it. And that's all the vocal UK "fans" do. They don't do sht for football, and never expected us to compete for the SEC East, yet when we are competing and coming close to winning games they say we shouldn't, they BTCH and BTCH and say "good thing basketball...."
I say fk em. I won't give another dime much less 5k to UK if I can't make it go to the football program. I don't care what happens to the basketball program. Dgaf. The "basketball first" fans can be happy with their 8M$ vacuum of a coach and what revenue they bring in. I'm not watching or streaming a single game because the askholes don't deserve it.
Neither I nor most others I know that love football will contribute to an NIL collective for UK or a fund at UK because we have no control over where the money goes, and we don't want it going to basketball. Football has been screwed over WAY TOO MANY times in favor of the basketball program. Football funds the other sports while mens basketball consumes its revenue completely. That's also horseshit.
Fk em and the mini goats they rode in on. I'm done putting up with their sht
Also, revenue within Kentucky for many products is nowhere near what it is outside of KY.
People will donate out of the "goodness of their hearts" (or whatever makes them look the best in others' eyes) to charities. If there are a ton of very vocal people bitching about UK football, they're not gonna donate to it. And that's all the vocal UK "fans" do. They don't do sht for football, and never expected us to compete for the SEC East, yet when we are competing and coming close to winning games they say we shouldn't, they BTCH and BTCH and say "good thing basketball...."
I say fk em. I won't give another dime much less 5k to UK if I can't make it go to the football program. I don't care what happens to the basketball program. Dgaf. The "basketball first" fans can be happy with their 8M$ vacuum of a coach and what revenue they bring in. I'm not watching or streaming a single game because the askholes don't deserve it.
Neither I nor most others I know that love football will contribute to an NIL collective for UK or a fund at UK because we have no control over where the money goes, and we don't want it going to basketball. Football has been screwed over WAY TOO MANY times in favor of the basketball program. Football funds the other sports while mens basketball consumes its revenue completely. That's also horseshit.
Fk em and the mini goats they rode in on. I'm done putting up with their sht
I'm not disagreeing they all have an advantage, but if we aren't going to attempt to compete, what is the point in even having a team? Like, are Music City and Belk bowls really worth it? I would also love to see where this Bama, TN, and Auburn money comes from, and if it's really any more significant than we could be getting.
But doesn't all this just scream "we need a new AD"! Everything you are saying you want we could accomplish with the right person in charge.
It’s like this. Kentucky will likely never be what Alabama and Georgia is in football for the same reasons that Alabama and Georgia will never be what Kentucky is in basketball. Now you will want to say that we just have to hire that perfect big time coach. But Kentucky will not draw that elite level coach and if we do they won’t stay. We
we all want the same thing even though we are arguing. But you have to have a realistic view of a program like Kentucky’s. I won’t say we will NEVER get there. But you’re trying to do mental gymnastics to talk yourself into believing we are just a couple coaching changes away from winning the east. Moving in from stoops would set us back 3-5 years at least. He has us going in the right direction. There will be setbacks but we have to have to be patient.
we absolutely need to celebrate the hell out of - 10 win season and stop trying to throw shade on it. How miserable do you have to be? If you cannot be happy then just move on
These frauds love spewing lies. Oh and oddly disparaging the rifle team while spouting off pure ignorant nonsense. It's so easy to read and educate yourself, you'd rather look like a fool and spread lies.
You're conflating 2 separate things and creating an argument I am not making. I am not at all saying we will be Bama, GA or so on, but I am saying we can occasionally contend. Particularly when those teams have down years. Just like those teams can do in basketball if they have a capable coach. Same for us in football. Stoops just isn't someone who has shown any capabilities of winning in those games.
I am not looking for perfection or some big-time coach. I want a coach who can win big games when given the opportunity. Doesn't have to be flashy, just win. I want a coach who understands the importance of offense and is willing to let an OC run an offense. Someone who doesn't need to hire a new OC annually to only have to fall on the sword for Stoops shortcomings. And also someone smart enough to hire a special teams coach or at least have someone coach them. Again, that isn't a crazy expectation.
We are never going any further under Stoops. This is it. In fact, based on this season, current recruiting, NIL, and the transfer portal, we are likely regressing.
I am presenting facts. What do you view as my mental gymnastics?
Keeping Stoops will set us back further. Strike now and we can get a good coach. Let us fall back a bit and we will have to start from square 1 again. Stoops is a bridge coach. Now is the time to cross that bridge into new territory.
How patient do you want to be? How much longer are you giving? What does it take for you to decide it's time?
We did celebrate them, bud. We are also realistic about them. We aren't inflating them to more than they were just to feel better.
Even if you give it to football we are never beating bama and Georgia and tn and Florida and Oklahoma and Texas and lsu and on and on. You would be giving your hard earned money to never win anything that matters.
Uk basketball doesn't need you or me. They have won before us, won during your seemingly miserable life (you seem way too angry about uk basketball success) and will win after we are dead and gone.
Wonder how much we could close the gap with alcohol sales.
Man you are just all over the place. You have multiple arguments with multiple people on multiple threads. Chill BUD.
you are entitled to your opinion and it seems like no one will logically get through to you. So I guess just keep clutching those pearls. I’m sure the next Nick Saban is just right around the corner with a shiny new blue shirt on.
That’s a loser mentality and quite frankly bullshit. NIL is not promoted here like it is at other schools. It’s the wave of the future. Either you go all out or you fall straight to the bottom. There’s plenty of money here. The Quaker is just too stubborn to do the things that will allow it to be spent. He will hang around here long enough to watch us fall to the bottom then will take his money and run. My question is this; Why would you not wanna go all in? The money is out there. It’s just not being let in the door. Watch and see, it will start to affect the program sooner than you think. Honestly it already is. We need better athletes, getting 3-4 in a class will not sustain the program.
It's always amazing seeing all the excuses made for Mitch on the nil issue. It's bad and will only get worse. Our two main football rivals UT and UL are openly spending major cash for football players.
It's amazing we are able to get any decent recruit at all given the massive gap
It's amazing we are able to get any decent recruit at all given the massive gap
I have an eady solution for you, drop football and replace it with intramural flag football. A great game and the equipment costs a lot less and who ever heardof an intramural coach getting $10M a year?
Better late than never//
If our AD does get fired we should try our best to steal the Vandy AD, seems like they have been content to soak up the SEC programs football money for ages.
If you are talking about de-emphasizing football I thought we tried that from 2003 to 2013, and how many hundreds of millions did that cost UK? Plus academics demanded a $60,000,000 bribe to do the ESSENTIAL CW improvements.
Has anyone else read the article by the President of Boise State (academics) about what going major college did for them? Larger enrollment, more ACADEMIC donations, etc.
its not a loser mentality. It is what it is. Money available is money available. Although I don’t think it’s any excuse and we can and should still be striving to climb to the top. I just don’t believe we are going to do it by just walking out with NIL money. UK isn’t going to advance based on recruiting base or NIL money just having it…we have to find ways to be better at utilizing it
Somehow you replied to me using someone else's post. 🤣
That was the post by @calismyhero
I am?
What pearls am I clutching? Why do we need the next Nick Saban?
Not sure who you’re calling a fraud…I’ve been on this board for near 15 years.
Not disparaging the rifle team. It’s cool that they are a national champion but the fact is they do not bring in any net profit and require the other programs to fund it. If someone wants to donate directly to it they should.
And you may be able to donate directly towards facilities etc but this thread is discussing “NIL Collective”. Other universities have embraced having a fund of donations specifically for recruiting in individual sports. The fact is that is not how Mitch is currently running things and he has been opposed to it. Our NIL is only via businesses (not just cutting a check I.e. NIL Collective) and businesses only give deals to existing signed roster players (not to go sign a 5 star QB).
So maybe you should take your own advice and educate yourself on Mitch’s very public stance on NIL to this point. And his very public stance on his emphasis on secondary and tertiary sports that depend on Football and Basketball to exist.
@jauk11 as an outsider, is this discussion and subsequent failure of the AD with NIL place Kentucky football back to the Bill Curry days ? 🍺
Haven't we been here before, wasn't there a pretty long thread on here from fans on here stating they would never contribute a dime to football as long as our present AD was in charge of spending the money? But he did a great job for the minor Sports until the money cow died. I can't imagine where we would have ended up if the 0THER football programs hadn't been paying attention.
Off the subject but it irritates the hell out of me when the laughing guy appears next to my like comments'.
Two of the dirtiest programs in country are still openly cheating and you want to cheat to be like them. Both currently have open NCAA investigations and you still want to be like them. LOL at how big of a joke yall are. Maybe we should hire strippers and prostitutes for recruits too since our biggest rivals do it.
Do you have any clue of what NIL is? Its just name image and likeness, players can make money off of their name image and likeness. Anyone can pay a player money for use of their name image and likeness. Businesses, collectives, or individuals. They're all independent of UK. UK does have a website that helps you connect with players for NIL but they don't direct to which players it goes to despite you ignorant lies you're spewing about secondary sports. You're utterly clueless.
Of course its for current players because buying recuits is still against NCAA rules and state law. Yall basically are crying because the AD isn't leading us in cheating. I can't stop laughing at message board fans who don't contribute q thing to UK other than tearing it down on message boards. It takes about 20 minutes to learn about NIL, NIL rules, NIL laws, and UK stance on NIL, but you would rather lazily spew message board lies.
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