No money here? Ky controls the worlds liquor and horse industry. Trust me we got nil money around here. Greedy money but $$ nevertheless
Why Is UK Possibly Dead Last in Collective Money in SEC For Football Recruits?
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Specifically how should we embrace NIL? LOL at how yall want to openly cheat but use vague terms like "embrace NIL" to sugarcoat it.Sure, because we built it. It's dipped many times and been able to be restored because we hired adequately and made changes as necessary.
Our recruiting dip was from #1 to #2. And even then it still worked out more often than not. The only year it was less than that was the year we went heavy in the portal for the experience factor.
Yes, and that is because Cal built that reputation at his other schools and brought it here. He's a coach players want to play for. If we had a football coach players wanted to play for, we could do much the same. And he is not doing it with KY talent because there isn't much. Similar to football.
We rarely recruit that few each season. We are typically rebuilding teams.
There are only a handful of mega football schools as well. I would argue with the openness of college basketball, there are more competitive schools than football.
Right, because we don't embrace NIL the way we should. Get us an AD who is open to it and embraces it, we could compete with most.
Yes!
I don't underestimate it all. The average fan would love to give, but the avg KY citizen, who are most fans, don't have it to give. It's not apathy, it's the choice between food and water for a lot of them.
Sure they are if they are allowed to embrace it the way they would like. Barnhart just isn't open to that.
I agree about football not being the priority. That is why I was perplexed so many to offense to Cal's comments about it. Like, are we really afraid of someone stating the obvious now?
However, I know we can contend in football with the right AD and coach at the helm. I appreciate much of what Stoops and Barnhardt have done, but it's time for new blood in both positions.
Sure, bud. Whatever you say!
P.s. When you have to resort to fallacies, it likely means you lack a solid argument.
Also, for your own mental health, I wouldn't let a stranger on the internet impact you so much.
UT's is spearheaded by the guy that use to own Pilot truck stops and who's brother is ex governor. Another alunni is the owner of Direct TV, he could be getting a little worried and not involved the the Pilot guys is. AU's is in Technical things, the recently passed, Steve Jobs, was an alunni. Bana had coal and steel for awhile, not sure what they have now other than every piece of clothing a fan wears has to pay royalities to the school.
Keep in mind that Memphis is backed by fed ex and if you remember they were willing to give cal whatever he wanted to stay when he came to Kentucky. But yet they are still lowly Memphis struggling to complete. You guys can’t just assume that every wealthy person or entity in the state cares about your football team.
The athletic program does desperately need Mitch to change his course and get with the program so that those who are willing to be part of a collective can do so without any roadblocks. His unwillingness to get on board with NIL is a problem.
The athletic program does desperately need Mitch to change his course and get with the program so that those who are willing to be part of a collective can do so without any roadblocks. His unwillingness to get on board with NIL is a problem.
Neither.
I am just asking you to articulate yourself instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks. And that seems to be a struggle for you.
What pearls am I clutching? Where did I say I expect or want the next Nick Saban?
Throwing out terms you clearly don’t understand and making false claims isn't going to get you respect or taken seriously.
As far as having conversations in multiple threads? Aren't you discussing things in several of those same threads? So does the same not apply to you? Are we only allowed to converse in 1 thread now?
You really shouldn't take what I say so personally and let it anger you. And before you try to claim it doesn't, just go back and read some of your previous posts to me. It's not hard to discern. 😉
Mitch is beholden to his TV/Radio partners. He doesn’t want to divert money from them
I think we can all agree on here that we want a level playing field here when it comes to NIL. Not more than anyone else, just a fairly level playing field. We aren’t going to get the guys that go to Bama or Georgia or even LSU. They will continue to load up on 5 star players but at least we can increase our odds to land more than 2 or 3 a class. What we are working with now is not enough and I think there are people out there ready to spend the money to make things happen here. Again, why would Mitch not want that? Is it ego? Control? And while we are at it, sell the damn beer. Quit being such a hypocrite. It’s a cold bud light not crack or heroin. You have to adapt to the landscape or you get passed right on by. What’s his motto? “Let’s be Mediocre”?
Gonna ask you a question and be honest now…….what was your username before you were banned?
Is this really the best you can come up with?
Dude, don't let me live in that head rent-free!
They have current investigations but not for this.
In it's most recent nil guidance the NCAA even said they won't even request the agreements for their review. That's literally saying they don't care.
So it would take a dumba$$ ad and compliance people to self report any of this nonsense the NCAA literally says they don't care about. Guess who such a dumba$$ might be? That's right - us. We reported a star sec running back for doing something a host of other people were doing.
The biggest thing is telling the donors to UK that they need to honor the JMI sponsorships and continue to give directly to UK and NOT any to NIL that would conflict with their direct UK donations.
Mitch wants ALL of the control of money for UK Athletics.
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The NCAA basically doesnt care about NIL rules violations. I told yall, they just to cheat and be q dirty program like UL and Tennessee.
Oh and about that false narrative yall keep spewing about the NCAA not caring about NIL violations.
Lol 1 person.
Guess they need someone to answer the phone or read email in case an ad calls in to self report their star RB for virtually nothing
Noone wants to do what UL and ut are doing per SE but absolutely need to be allowed to function in the gray.
Instead top button Mitch is driving 55 during rush hour while everyone else zooms by driving 8 over the speed limit.
LOL you just want to cheat. You absolutely want to do what UL and Tennessee are doing. Thats why yall keep crying and saying we're being left behind. You have no idea what Mitch is doing, you're just running your mouth out of ignorance like a typical message board goof. You have no real connection to UK, do nothing for the program, you're just a butthurt message board poster making vague accusations about things you know nothing about.
So others are barely cheating and Mitch doesn't want to cheat at all? Is that what you vague 55mph analogy means? I have to ask because you can't speak in reality because you have no idea what is actually going on.
I firmly believe we are at a crossroads right now and we need to start talking about the future of UK Athletics and the next 25 years. I think this requires new vision and new leadership in both major sports and the AD’s office.
Mitch has been the best AD ever at UK. Frankly he took hot dogshit and turned UK Athletics into a Top 25 Athletics Program with world class facilities and athletes. Doesn’t mean he hasn’t made mistakes or failures. But anyone denying where we are now to where we were is just not looking with open eyes.
but the college athletics world is changing again. Some say for the good, some say for the worse. I’m not here to argue that but the world is changing whether we like it or not both on and off the field and court and it’s time to prepare for that. With innovation, with vision, with bold and new leadership at all levels.
Just my two cents.
Mitch has been the best AD ever at UK. Frankly he took hot dogshit and turned UK Athletics into a Top 25 Athletics Program with world class facilities and athletes. Doesn’t mean he hasn’t made mistakes or failures. But anyone denying where we are now to where we were is just not looking with open eyes.
but the college athletics world is changing again. Some say for the good, some say for the worse. I’m not here to argue that but the world is changing whether we like it or not both on and off the field and court and it’s time to prepare for that. With innovation, with vision, with bold and new leadership at all levels.
Just my two cents.
Yup, got cheat to keep up with the dirty programs. AKA "bold leadership" Tom Jurich style.
NIL money is in NO WAY "cheating".
Ole Mitch just wants all of the UK sponsors to himself. You know it, everyone knows it. He doesn't want ANY of the UK donors to take money away from the university to support NIL. JMI paid big bucks for UK's brand and Ole Mitch is going to do whatever it takes(even at the detriment of football) to keep that money all to himself.
I didnt say NIL money was cheating fraud. I said NIL as a recruiting inducement is a NCAA violation and a violation of state law. You're clueless and making strawman arguments to defend your moronic claims.
What the hell does JMI have to do with NIL. Make your goofy conspiracy theory make sense.
Off topic a little, but the school that could really go all in on paying players if they want to is Arkansas. They already have a basketball arena with the name Walton on it. Jerry Jones, JB Hunt, Tyson, a lot of money in northwest Arkansas.
Oh no, the uneducated clown is mad. He can't defend his lies so he calls me a puddy cat. Welp that beats lowlife lying trash.
Tell me more about how UK doesn't support NIL? Oh wait, you can't without lying because you're a complete clown.
As I said in a previous thread, Mitch wants to CONTROL all of the UK sponsors and donors by DISCOURAGING them from giving their donations to NIL IF it means they will no longer give that money to UK directly.
You know this is true yet you want to call all of us "cheaters" or act like you know more than we do. YOU DON'T!!!
So what roadblocksare there for NIL? If we're really gonna get Mitch we're gonna need specifics. Without them you kinda look like a typical message board goof.
So Mitch discourages sponsors and donors from giving to NIL? Sponsors who have contracts with UK want to break their contract with UK and give money directly to the players? JMI wants to quit broadcasting UK games and give money to Will Levis and broadcast him eating whole banansas? How does it work exactly? Can you explain your lies or are we sticking with the vague wants to control all of UK sponsors and donors?
Well if the reports are true that Mitch wants to secure NIL money for the school or anything other than to go directly to the intended athlete then I would say that’s a roadblock. Because that’s not what our football coach is expecting to happen. That’s not what our competition is doing. This will put UK behind the 8-ball. We already know that he has been sternly against a collective to begin with. Again, something that our competitors have an advantage.
I’ve not once said Mitch needs put out to pasture he’s a great AD. But everyone better get on the same page. But who knows? I am but a humble message board goof.
-Yes
-Some do, but many want to split the money they give between UK and the players, but Mitch is TERRIFIED by it and puts pressure on them keep ONLY giving to UK
-You know that is NOT what I am saying. But JMI bought the rights to ALL UK Athletics so they want ALL of the adverising and copyright money that goes with that NOT share it with the players through NIL. Not hard to comprehend but you are trying to deflect because you KNOW this is happening with your HERO Mitch.
- I've explained it in EVERY thread. Mitch portrays NIL in the WORST light possible(EXACTLY LIKE YOU ARE DOING) to sponsors and donors. You are either Mitch or someone close to him.
-YOU are the LIAR by playing DUMB to all that I have explained!!!
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I dont know what you're saying because like most liars, you don't give specifics. You're not even smart enough to make your lie make sense. You don't know Mitch Barnhart, you don't know anyone at JMI, and you can't even make your lie plausible. Your ignorant lies are hard to comprehend for anyone with common sense. There's a reason every one of you haters have a different lie, its because you're frauds. At least together and start telling the same lie.
And Alabama isn't poor? And Mississippi isn't poor? And Louisiana and Arkansas and West Virginia and Oklahoma aren't poor?
The one difference I see, is that in Kentucky basketball is the bigger priority, has the bigger fanbase, and there is only 2 other states that can say that (NC and Indiana). And between the Triangle and Charlotte, NC has money to support both big sports.
The JB Hunt family is putting a bunch toward NIL in basketball. Unfortunately most Arkansas fans are underwhelmed with the lack of NIL support for football compared to a lot of other schools. Of course putting up $8 million for a QB recruit like Tennessee is doing seems dumb to me anyway when he could turn out to be the next Spencer Rattler. I'm not sure why programs aren't just trying to poach already proven college QBs from other teams using that money instead of unproven high school kids.
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