Why do people with kids pay less taxes?
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Nope. I wish I were but my loans aren’t eligible. I use less resources than anybody else I know. I pay more proportionally than most people.
You getting your kids subsidized?
I should get a tax break since I’m a small business owner and employ lots of people that also pay taxes. However I don’t, at all. I actually pay a metric shot ton in taxes and when you factor in all my employees probably pay more than 95% of the world actually. As a small business owner I think it’s fair for me to pay a much smaller amount.
Very few people can actually “afford” kids. We’d have a much smaller and weaker economy if this was the actual thought process.
Did any childless people pay the taxes that contributed to you beating able to pay into SS?
You can correct me if I’m misunderstanding you, but didn’t you benefit as a child and then later as an adult from the taxes paid by childless people?
You don’t get your SS money back. The kids coming after you will pay it. Wouldn’t you want them to be educated?
Why do you get a standard deduction?
When you make the kind of bread that the average Paddock poster makes, the child credit is a drop in the bucket.
Point one: I guess so but they got screwed just like I did. Not sure what your point is here. They got hosed. I’m getting hosed. Not complicated. My parents paid taxes too.
Point two: So it’s not a savings account. I paid into it. I have a right to it when I am eligible. I am not really worried about the educations of theoretical children. Their parents can cover their educations. Mine did for me.
Again, none of this is as complicated as you all keep trying to make it. You’re justifying unfair taxation. You can say it is to benefit society or the future or whatever but in the end it is an unfair practice that is deemed acceptable by society.
I have no love of taxes, but those childless people back then didn’t get hosed, they got an educated person (you) who is now paying their old age benefits. The alternative to that would probably work in a pre- New Deal world but not now.
Not sure what your disconnect is. They paid. I pay. Someone else will pay in the future.
My beef is having to pay to subsidize other peoples kids. Nothing you have stated changes any of that.
I’m all for a flat tax kicking in above $30-40k. Thats what I would legislate if it were up to me.
But considering the significant fertility gap and the societal implications of that in 30-40 years, the tax code needs to be even more incentivizing to families to encourage having children (in a good, responsible family).
But considering the significant fertility gap and the societal implications of that in 30-40 years, the tax code needs to be even more incentivizing to families to encourage having children (in a good, responsible family).
-in my adult lifetime higher earners have *always* subsidized *fill in the blank*.
^50% of people pay zero federal income tax, many of them recieve EITC. People who live in "nicer" areas are subsidizing people who rent apartments/live in lower income housing via property taxes. Etc.
-are there some societal benefits of this practice? Possibly...therein lies the debate.
^same with child tax credits
^50% of people pay zero federal income tax, many of them recieve EITC. People who live in "nicer" areas are subsidizing people who rent apartments/live in lower income housing via property taxes. Etc.
-are there some societal benefits of this practice? Possibly...therein lies the debate.
^same with child tax credits
If the question is about the future benefit to society couldn’t you apply a carbon tax credit to your alls logic the same as incentives for having children. Both benefit future generations. Free college? Free healthcare? Or do you just pick and choose the forms of socialism that benefit you?
I think it’s cool you don’t take any tax breaks or sidestep any tax laws, paying your full share. I salute you.
I'd imagine those children are providing a pretty large economic impact - encouraging responsible families likely a pretty good investment benefitting everyone.
Cheap labor at your restaurants, movie theaters, stores etc....adds business opportunities etc.
Cheap labor at your restaurants, movie theaters, stores etc....adds business opportunities etc.
Move then. Plenty of totalitarianism regimes that will kill kids by either working them to death or genocide
You move. I’m sure there’s a socialist regime that would love to have your brilliant intellect as a part of its population.
You realize I am simply not wanting to have to pay more in taxes because I don’t have kids and am not advocating for murdering children right? What kind of leap did your brain have to make to get from point A to point B?
Paying taxes to support basic governmental services such as police and fire is not "socialism". When you throw around that loaded term to describe basic operations of government, you then have people digging in on political lines to take ludicrous positions.
I'm still trying to figure out whether Chroix is arguing about simple child tax credits/EITC or welfare. I know he keeps saying he wants to pay less taxes than people who have children but, as others have pointed out, there are plenty of things your taxes pay for that you will never utilize and several things you do utilize that others, including those of us stupid enough to have kids, will never use.
Taxation is unfair, at almost every level, all the time.
Taxation is unfair, at almost every level, all the time.
My problem is when you have folks who use children for welfare and a free ride. Or how screwed up our tax code is that someone with multiple children who make under a certain amount per year actually get more back in tax refunds than they pay. That should be against the law but hey, somebody's got to buy those votes for people who are, in reality, too lazy to vote.
Tax credits. The fact that the people who use more services pay less is what I have an issue with. I understand that I pay for things I may never use but to pay for things I absolutely will never use pisses me off. And I firmly believe it would anybody else in my position.
Dude, if you are not taking advantage of any tax breaks available to you, which must be the case, I truly give you props for going above and beyond. Sincere thanks!
So you want to pay less property taxes b/c you don’t want to fund public schools since you don’t have kids?
This is why I'm a huge advocate for installment payments like they did last year. You give someone 500 a month they didn't have before and they are likely to spend it in the economy in a more wise way.
Give them 6k in April and they'll buy a jetski 100 miles from the closest body of water. As someone who used to do taxes and financial advisory services for a very large credit union, that example is very real.
All that said, the people leeching the system often have horrible lives that none of us would want to live. Doesn't make it right but also disproves the notion that you can live high on the hog for free in the USofA.
-welcome to adulthood, friend. Assume you're gonna vote R here on out?
Just to jump in to my original point. 2 people make the exact same money in a year with the exact other deductions. The one with kids pays less when since they have more people in the system, they should pay more.
As far as whether the government should be giving incentives to people to have kids I don't know what to say except that I strongly, strongly, strongly disagree.
Until I get the independent candidates we deserve it looks like that is the only option.
We subsidize the horse industry and tobacco farming in this state for years. I don’t give a crap about either. Give me back my tax dollars. Let the farmers pay for that stuff!!
And, kid, get the fock off my grass, you little turd weasel!!
And, kid, get the fock off my grass, you little turd weasel!!
I don’t have kids and pay hella school taxes every year. Honestly, I’m glad to do it because I’d rather invest in future generations than some political pork project.
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