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What's going on in Bardstown

I’d think once it came back as not being Crystal Rodgers they privately reached out to the family of said persons bones and discussed it that way. If they wanted to remain private they likely respected those wishes and kept a tight lip from that point forward.

I know I can’t imagine how that would go over in my house.

If Houck was dumb enough to leave anything at those rentals, that’s on him. I don’t know for certain but IIRC that farm they owned or used was said to have several farm animals ala cow, goat......PIG. Who knows, but I’m guessing the FBI realized locals never searched the rentals and wanted some kind of search there.

At this point I don’t know what’s more surprising, that Houck hasn’t slipped and given up something that has him in prison or that NO one in that family has gone ahead and tried to kill him.

I know for a fact at least 5 cats in my family were ready to end Shaun Windsor’s existence of the feds didn’t find him after killing my cousin and their son.
A real life “next of kin”
 
They used the exact same verbage on items found on the Houck farm.
I hope I'm wrong, but between the " numerous items of interest" found on the farm, items of interest found in the search of his home, the girls body that was never identified. I just don't think have much.
Sure hope I'm wrong
 
If they don’t find a body he is going to walk. I don’t think they will find it.
 
Agreed. That search last week was a joke. If they aren’t close then he knows it and is laughing. They showed their hand and only he knows how close they are, if at all.
 
Exactly^^^if they’re looking ten miles from where he buried or whatever then he’s laughing knowing they are lost. Hope that’s not the case but it seems that way.
 
If they don’t find a body he is going to walk. I don’t think they will find it.
In my opinion, the fact that he hasn't been charged with anything related to any of the murders to this point makes those charges harder to prove every year that passes.

For Crystal Rogers, I think there would be a reasonable chance of a conviction even if no body is found but the prosecutors would have to explain why she disappeared six years ago and Houck just got charged despite seemingly no new evidence emerging.

Btw, the family court judge there cut off visits between Crystal Roger's parents and their grandchild because of the animosity the Rogers have for Houck. Grandparents visitation is a notoriously finicky area of law and the family court judge can't exactly rule that the guy is guilty of murder when it comes to custody issues if there aren't even charges pending so it is an absolute cluster.
 
If they don’t find a body he is going to walk. I don’t think they will find it.
Agree. There would have to be a miracle to convict without it. But right now it seems like a shot in the dark. I know the FBI won't release any information, but finding any parts of corpse imo would be almost an immediate arrest of Brooks without having the DNA confirmation first.
 
What a case! Sounds unreal with all the technology we have, that they can't identify the bones found in the creek bank. Clearly need to call in Bones and Seely Booth.
 
On a tangent here but I believe it’s because bourbon has gotten too big for Bardstown.

On topic, I legit do not think that ambushes cop or the slain mother/daughter has anything at sll to do with crystal rodgers.

The story on that cop is almost insane.
 
Every murderer should be brought to justice but I'm kind of perplexed why everything seems focused on this one victim. I would think an assassinated police officer or brutally murdered mother and young daughter would stir more interest.
It could be that it’s the case they are closer to solving or breaking. I assure you that the Ellis case is still an important case. Are they connected? Probably not. Yet solving one could very well lead to renewed enthusiasm on these other cases. More than likely it could convince someone who knows something on the other cases to come forward.
 
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Every murderer should be brought to justice but I'm kind of perplexed why everything seems focused on this one victim. I would think an assassinated police officer or brutally murdered mother and young daughter would stir more interest.

I think it's because her family has been relentless in trying to find her.

Her dad even lost his life and collected tons of information (I hesitate to call it evidence because I don't know what he had)

They put a huge sign on the BG Parkway.

The prime suspect is in law enforcement.

The police officer that was murdered could be connected but the mother and daughter probably are not.

The media has a fascination with the case due to all the above and are more than willing to keep it going.

I agree that all murders and disappearances deserve equal attention but unfortunately that doesn't happen in the real world.
 
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Damn yesterday felt like a holiday. I’m not sure I’ve had a more lazy day in a year. Other than coming inside so the kids could have the outside TV last night I only moved to piss and grab another drink.

Can not make that a habit.

Ole Miss tonight. Going to make my UL loving nephew sit and watch his shitty ass team get murked. I’d love to see a player get smacked with a garbage can. Trash ass school, program and colors!

Jambalya cue’d up for next week’s 730 kick.
Am I in the right thread?
 
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On topic, I legit do not think that ambushes cop or the slain mother/daughter has anything at sll to do with crystal rodgers.

The story on that cop is almost insane.
I kind of agree with you except that Houck's brother was also a local officer and statistically it seems remote that these murders would not be connected.

How many people in the world have both the psychology and skills necessary to commit a legitimate whodunit murder in America in this day and age? Not very many.
 
I kind of agree with you except that Houck's brother was also a local officer and statistically it seems remote that these murders would not be connected.

How many people in the world have both the psychology and skills necessary to commit a legitimate whodunit murder in America in this day and age? Not very many.
Also it seems pretty likely that the Ellis murder at least had an inside connection. He didn't have his K9 with him, was in a backup car that did6nt have cameras while his normal car was being serviced, he was going home earlier than normal...

There aren't a lot of officers in that department. A lot of people believe that the Houcks were involved with the murder or at least acquainted with the murderer. Strong suspicion that Crystal knew who killed Ellis and threatened to tell when her and Brooks split up, which lead to her disappearance.
 
Also it seems pretty likely that the Ellis murder at least had an inside connection. He didn't have his K9 with him, was in a backup car that did6nt have cameras while his normal car was being serviced, he was going home earlier than normal...

There aren't a lot of officers in that department. A lot of people believe that the Houcks were involved with the murder or at least acquainted with the murderer. Strong suspicion that Crystal knew who killed Ellis and threatened to tell when her and Brooks split up, which lead to her disappearance.
Pretty much exactly what I have heard. Add that the teacher and her daughter are likely not connected based on what I have heard.
 
Pretty much exactly what I have heard. Add that the teacher and her daughter are likely not connected based on what I have heard.

Agree. I don't think the girl and her daughter are connected. But ellis, Crystal and her dad might be. Maybe even "probably"
 
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Also it seems pretty likely that the Ellis murder at least had an inside connection. He didn't have his K9 with him, was in a backup car that did6nt have cameras while his normal car was being serviced, he was going home earlier than normal...

There aren't a lot of officers in that department. A lot of people believe that the Houcks were involved with the murder or at least acquainted with the murderer. Strong suspicion that Crystal knew who killed Ellis and threatened to tell when her and Brooks split up, which lead to her disappearance.
That makes good sense.

But how is the mom and daughter slaying connected? It seems almost impossible that they had any connection to drugs or other underworld activities and killing them seems like a huge risk if those murders were committed by the same person or group of people.
 
It’s not.

FBI didn’t find Jack either. Their chess play just exposed what they don’t have. Someone should be fired for that stupid decision. That was $20,000 job to bust up a driveway and re pour the concrete.

At this point, guilty or not, I don’t think I could stay in that town if I was either of the Houck’s or the Rogers mom.
 
That makes good sense.

But how is the mom and daughter slaying connected? It seems almost impossible that they had any connection to drugs or other underworld activities and killing them seems like a huge risk if those murders were committed by the same person or group of people.
I don't think that one is directly related.

One other thing I've found interesting in all this is the both the Houck and Rogers family owned storage unit facilities.

I have a theory that some major player in the drug game was using Bardstown as a distribution center and the storage facilities were the exchange location. The Houcks were possibly aiding the distribution while the Roger's were either oblivious or turning their heads. Ellis was getting wise and a pro took him out using info provided by officer Houck.

All pure speculation on my behalf, but just how the pieces come together in my head.
 
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I don't think that one is directly related.

One other thing I've found interesting in all this is the both the Houck and Rogers family owned storage unit facilities.

I have a theory that some major player in the drug game was using Bardstown as a distribution center and the storage facilities were the exchange location. The Houcks were possibly aiding the distribution while the Roger's were either oblivious or turning their heads. Ellis was getting wise and a pro took him out using info provided by officer Houck.

All pure speculation on my behalf, but just how the pieces come together in my head.
Interesting. If a major drug ring is involved with this and as you speculate that Ellis was taken out by a pro-which I agree with, Crystal's body will never be found. Whatever remains may have been are probably not even in Kentucky.
 
There was a theory that the daughter may have been a baby sitter for the Houck/Rogers. But I think that has been debunked.
Also when the mother daughter murder happened they were zeroing on the older daughter and her boyfriend but it didn’t go anywhere.
 
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No that's kind of correct, the daughter babysat the special needs daughter of Jason Ellis.
 
Even if true, that's still a pretty tenuous connection to commit two brutal murders. Ellis' babysitter became aware of some criminal conspiracy so she and her mother were killed but Ellis' wife wasn't?

That doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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Oh I have no earthly idea if they are connected, just telling what the connection actually was.
 
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