BTown's DJ Unique@IUDJUnique Jun 27
...these guys... #HullsPartyof2 #iubb pic.twitter.com/5fmQcioA8K
...these guys... #HullsPartyof2 #iubb pic.twitter.com/5fmQcioA8K
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ALL of them graduated , except Cody, and he has about 20 hours left, with a 3.5.
ALL of them graduated , except Cody, and he has about 20 hours left, with a 3.5.
I wonder if they were all wearing their Sweet 16 rings?
you are realllly reaching with that one...Do Woods and Pelphrey and Mashburn still wear their SECT rings that CM had made for them?
you are realllly reaching with that one...
How is that?
In both cases ('12 IU and '92 UK) kids who persevered through adversity were rewarded for an 'accomplishment' that had once been considered a common expectation.
I think it's an apples to apples comparison.
Not really. In the case of the '92 Wildcats, they actually won a conference tournament and took the defending national champions to OT in the Elite 8 and only lost because of a miracle shot at the buzzer. Your precious 2012 Hoosiers finished 5th in the Big 10 and lost in the Quarterfinals of the Big 10 Tournament and we all know what happened in the Sweet 16 when we spanked your asses and sent you home. Thanks for playing!
I know that many of you love the five star recruits that Calipari brings to UK. I think that's excellent; enjoy! To each his own.
However, that picture helps to explain the connection that very good (but primarily not NBA quality) players that stay in school, live in dorms with other students, and stay at least three years can form with their teammates and the fan base.
As an IU graduate, I strongly prefer it - doesn't mean you have to.
IU players "flashing signs":
As a UK fan, I highly encourage you guys to continue accepting the irrelevant status you've held for the past 2 decades.I know that many of you love the five star recruits that Calipari brings to UK. I think that's excellent; enjoy! To each his own.
However, that picture helps to explain the connection that very good (but primarily not NBA quality) players that stay in school, live in dorms with other students, and stay at least three years can form with their teammates and the fan base.
As an IU graduate, I strongly prefer it - doesn't mean you have to.
IU players "flashing signs":
...and they were given rings to commemorate that?
You people always talk as if that program is above honoring such trivial achievements. How can you defend making rings for a lousy conference tournament title?
Put all of their lifetime salaries together and they won't equal one year of John Wall's salary. Stick that in your candy striped pipe and smoke it.ALL of them graduated , except Cody, and he has about 20 hours left, with a 3.5.
At least the '92 Cats actually won something that was somewhat meaningful. If Indiana wins a Big 10 Tournament any time in the next century you guys would celebrate like you won the national title. What exactly did that 2012 IU team win??? Nothing! How can you defend making rings for a Sweet 16 game that you lost?
Tom Crean after hearing that he wasn't invited.
Put all of their lifetime salaries together and they won't equal one year of John Wall's salary. Stick that in your candy striped pipe and smoke it.
You can't be serious.Wall has A LOT of money right now.
Cody Zeller was the #4 overall draft pick and was a first team Academic All-American as a top ten b-school business major.
No guarantees, but it is overwhelmingly likely that by age 50, Cody Zeller will have the higher net worth.
.................and they all will be millionaires .............what is the reason people attend college?????????????A FANTASTIC picture of a (very) nice group of young men AND excellent players...having a great time.
Eight of the ten will not be back next year.
None of them were seniors.
Poythress will graduate from UK.
A pair of John Wall's shoes will be worth more than Big handsome's car lot.Wall has A LOT of money right now.
Cody Zeller was the #4 overall draft pick and was a first team Academic All-American as a top ten b-school business major.
No guarantees, but it is overwhelmingly likely that by age 50, Cody Zeller will have the higher net worth.
You can't be serious.
Hoosier Fan I understand what you are trying to say. I can tell you are proud of your MBA business degree thinking, however, it is also true that Indiana basketball has been irrevelant for over a decade. I have family and friends in Indiana, many have Kentucky roots from 50 years ago - many became big IU fans and thought Bobby Knight could walk on water. But think about the last two decades including Bobby Knight's last decade as Coach - what has Indiana basketball accomplished on the court? I and many other college fans do feel for many Indiana fans - we sure went thru a similar period in the waning years of Tubby and the short period of Billy G. It so hard to fanthom that IU has put up with this poor showing. It is also very hard for all the MBA Business guys like you talk about to allow such a product to be put out representing IU all these years.The broad picture:
(MoneyWatch) Did you hear about the professional athlete who just declared bankruptcy? Of course you have. Because when it comes to professional athletes and money, we tend to only hear about how large their new contract is worth or how much they just lost -- and unfortunately there is no shortage of examples of the latter. A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years.
And...for some empirical UK-centered evidence, the Antoine Walker story:
Which player do YOU think is more likely to be a multi-millionaire at 50; the Academic All-American business major with tens of millions in earnings, or the guy with a gaggle of neighborhood friends:
John had posted a photo of his crew on the way to Vegas on May 22nd ... though it's unclear if the same guys were involved in the incident on the flight home.
hanging by his side who has earned a fair bit more?
I'm completely serious, and anyone with a well-versed financial background would agree.
Hoosier Fan I understand what you are trying to say. I can tell you are proud of your MBA business degree thinking, however, it is also true that Indiana basketball has been irrevelant for over a decade. I have family and friends in Indiana, many have Kentucky roots from 50 years ago - many became big IU fans and thought Bobby Knight could walk on water. But think about the last two decades including Bobby Knight's last decade as Coach - what has Indiana basketball accomplished on the court? I and many other college fans do feel for many Indiana fans - we sure went thru a similar period in the waning years of Tubby and the short period of Billy G. It so hard to fanthom that IU has put up with this poor showing. It is also very hard for all the MBA Business guys like you talk about to allow such a product to be put out representing IU all these years.
If you wish to discuss business degrees that is great. But also don't start comparing Kentucky's professional's failures in sports and saying they are all going to be that way. You show a person from Chicago we all know about who failed miserably managing his money. We know that many of the athletes fail - but you fail to mention is how many of the "modern" last 15 years have failed and how many of John Calipari's players have failed. You see, it is much like public schools in general today - most schooling doesn't include how to balance a check book, how to compare insurance policies, how to know how much house you can afford, etc., etc, etc. Is that a college failing - or is that public education and parents failing?
The basketball players at Kentucky are also instructed in public relations, speaking and how to handle their money for the future. Not everyone passes every course, but if you will study what has and is happening at Kentucky, who you want to throw rocks at, you find that a very strong attempt is made to "educate" the players to be good citizen's and pay back from their enormous earnings. Why don't you compare how much John Calipari's players have donated back to their home communities, their pro home communities and to the University of Kentucky. Then compare that to your Indiana Hoosier Alumni. I think you will find you will have to be very humbled.
It's a shame that many, many IU basketball fans are very bitter about other basketball programs and UK in particular. I understand their pride of a once great and proud program. Now it is only a proud program - it is definitely not a great program. Just think about all the Basketball programs that have blown by IU. You think I am just poking fun? Who's program is currently better - Wichita State or IU? Arizona or IU? Wisconsin or IU? Florida or IU? VCU or IU? Villanova or IU? Virginia or IU? Gonzaga or IU? Oklahoma or IU? San Diego State or IU? These are just some programs that immediately come to mind. IU's fans deserve a basketball program that competes.
I have family in friends at Tennessee, they have made my life miserable about our football program. I love UK and attended UK. I want UK to be competitive in both basketball and football as well as anything else we field a team in. We have endured the pain of losing and looking incompetent in football for much longer than IU has in basketball. Tennessee has fallen on some hard times recently as well - just like IU has in basketball, but they appear to be building another "powerful" program. It is easy for them - they have the biggest and baddest of everything in that sport. Fortunately for UK, we have decided we wish to participate in football again too! It is much harder and it takes much longer to build a competitive football program - but UK is well on its way - finally!
Again can you say that about IU basketball? In reality what has Tom Crean ever done as a basketball coach? He had one good year led by a basketball star named Dwayne Wade. Eliminate the Wade year's and what has he really accomplished? A sweet sixteen run and a very early in the season home biased buzzer beater win over UK. I give you those points - now provide some other proof he has done well and is a good choice? IU is being laughed at by it's decisions in basketball. Bobby Knight in his prime, love him or hate him, was a great basketball Coach - but since then IU has not found the guy. But you want find the guy when your MBA guys gives a very mediocre coach a "guaranteed" buyout that is huge in comparison to your future Cody Zeller earnings you are convinced of.
Hoosier Fan, I understand your defending your program, but going after Kentucky is wrong way to show your pride. It runs very natural in Indiana, as again, I have many friends and that is all they do is throw this stuff around. You guys need to be taking your venom and depression out on the IU adminstration. If you attacked them with as much vigor as you do UK on these sports boards you might get a good coach to come to Indiana and build it back. Personally we hope you guys concentrate on UK, let us and unfortunately UL take your state's best basketball players because they want to play for coaches like Calipari and Pitino. They want to play for almost anyone else but Tom Crean. While you preach to us look at your program in detail. How many players has Crean recruited to Indiana that have left the program for some mysterious reason before they graduate? It may surprise you find out you have as many one and done players as Kentucky has!
Take the time to chew on the facts I have mentioned above. I may get hammered by a lot of Kentucky fans, but we on these boards think we have a lot more power than we do. We want IU to focus on jealousy and not on improving their situation. We will always get the last laugh! IU can live in the past and enjoy their history - but it isn't helping them now - IU's basketball history is now almost as ancient as the once powerful Greeks!
Go Big Blue!
Wall has A LOT of money right now.
Cody Zeller was the #4 overall draft pick and was a first team Academic All-American as a top ten b-school business major.
No guarantees, but it is overwhelmingly likely that by age 50, Cody Zeller will have the higher net worth.
Wow.
All I was saying was; odds are a guy like Zeller is more likely to hold onto his millions.
That's quite a soliliquy on all things IU basketball from your point of view. Nice to see your extended opinions, but that wasn't really the topic that was raised.
You're saying professional athletes squander there millions and show statistics. Wall AND Zeller are professional athletes and BOTH are part of those raw stats but you are attempting to exclude Zeller.I assume your attempt to exclude Zeller has to do with him being a business major, well Wall is also a business major who is working toward his degree ( something he promised his mom) every summer since he's been in the league.The broad picture:
(MoneyWatch) Did you hear about the professional athlete who just declared bankruptcy? Of course you have. Because when it comes to professional athletes and money, we tend to only hear about how large their new contract is worth or how much they just lost -- and unfortunately there is no shortage of examples of the latter. A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years.
And...for some empirical UK-centered evidence, the Antoine Walker story:
Which player do YOU think is more likely to be a multi-millionaire at 50; the Academic All-American business major with tens of millions in earnings, or the guy with a gaggle of neighborhood friends:
John had posted a photo of his crew on the way to Vegas on May 22nd ... though it's unclear if the same guys were involved in the incident on the flight home.
hanging by his side who has earned a fair bit more?
I'm completely serious, and anyone with a well-versed financial background would agree.
I guess I was reacting to the many similar posts we get on here from IU fans and Alumni. Plus I was reacting to the link to interview with a player from 20 years ago mishandling his money and going broke. This was a decade plus before Calipari arrived here. However, maybe you could discuss what was said with your IU fans and think about what I shared with you. Maybe it will help IU start worrying about IU instead of others. I truly, unlike many here, want to see IU relevant again. It was more fun to actually discuss quality basketball with my family and friends than to discuss business degrees and money made and kept.Wow.
All I was saying was; odds are a guy like Zeller is more likely to hold onto his millions.
That's quite a soliliquy on all things IU basketball from your point of view. Nice to see your extended opinions, but that wasn't really the topic that was raised.
I think they look pretty good.BTown's DJ Unique@IUDJUnique Jun 27
...these guys... #HullsPartyof2 #iubb pic.twitter.com/5fmQcioA8K
So will Oladipo and Vonleh both be broke and have less money than Zeller or is it just UK's black players that can't manage money?
Why because he is white? What other reason would cause you to have that opinion? Racist much?