He may have got a bigger deal, but his PT was going to be impacted by Walker. He needed to go to a team that featured him at nose to have a better chance of getting a decent draft spot IMO
UK football and the December transfer portal
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Parents like that are so bad. I can’t imagine having to deal with so many of those kinda parents every year. Most of their kids were probably the top athletes on their squads up thru High School. Then the nationally ranked ones can even be worse.
More to what Coach George was speaking about, I've been of the opinion that NIL can, and probably is having a negative effect on the development and the performance of some players (but not all). I mean when you hand a butt-load of money to a 19 year old kid away from home for the first time, it can create a lucrative distraction that can infringe on time he would spend in the weight room, film room and with his academics. To me that goes to at least partially explain why a team like Texas A&M, with a loaded roaster but who is also reported to have the largest NIL payroll in football, vastly underperformed their talent this season.
Rogers was a NT here. Walker is a DT. They played different positions. Rogers competed with Hayes. Silver was brought in after Rogers transferred.
Competition is part of football. If a player fancies himself a future NFL fraft choice, he can't be scared of competition. Ironically, Rogers' PT has decreased at Auburn.
Another transfer WR to keep an eye on is Matthew Golden, a sophomore that played for Houston. He's 6-0/190 and reportedly has 4.4 type speed. He was a 4 star in the 2022 class. He started as a true freshman at the Z-WR spot for Houston and had 38 receptions for 584 yards and 7 TD's. He only had 404 receiving yards and 6 TD's as a sophomore, but since he missed half the season with a foot injury, I won't hold that against him too much. He also does kick returns and ran one back 98 yards for a TD. Reportedly, there is interest between him and UK and a visit may be in the works.
Does anyone know if we are looking at him in addition to Maclin or as an alternative to Maclin? If we can only take one, I'd honestly be happy with either. I'm sure Golden could play on the inside too if that is where we need him most.
Does anyone know if we are looking at him in addition to Maclin or as an alternative to Maclin? If we can only take one, I'd honestly be happy with either. I'm sure Golden could play on the inside too if that is where we need him most.
According to his position coach, Rogers was upset about Deon having a better NIL deal than himself. That was the factor , not playing time . As you said, they didn’t even play the same position.
Ex-Houston WR coach(Shorts?) has been linked to the UK opening and would likely bring Golden with him.
Any scuttlebutt there re WR coach? Surprised we don’t have an announcement yet. Seemed like Stoops had his guy lined up
I'm not missing the point. I agree with what EG is saying and you are reiterating, but I am being empathetic to the young players who come from nothing and saying I understand why they are making poor decisions. We need to reach these kids at a much younger age, so they already have the solid foundation when they reach the age to start making life altering decisions. Too often it doesn't happen and I think it is difficult to place all the blame on the kids when they weren't necessarily raised in a way that empowered them to have a strategic view on ife. They are feeding their Id, which most of us would do if we were switched at birth.
Esoteric means hard to understand without specialized knowledge, so it is esoteric to a kid raised in poverty who never had the ease of looking at life long term. Struggling with financial and food insecurity, for example, means that you tend to look at life as transactional, so you take whatever you can get at the time you can get rather than being strategic in your thinking for the longer term, more beneficial outcome. This is basic human psychology and as a former therapist and then a wealth manager, I have dealt with these mindsets for decades. Many of these kids' parents are telling them to grab the cash because they too were raised in poverty. It takes a lot to overcome this generational mindset. This is not an easy problem to overcome. It is systemic and needs solutions that take that into consideration.
I get your point but....
1. Poverty, those with less vs. those with more, etc...these things will always be apart of the world we live in. It's even Biblical for those that follow Jesus.
2. NIL was ruled by Supreme Court as a law of the land...so NCAA hands are somewhat tied by what that court ruled upon. So I guess we are forced into having this NIL in place which is literally ruining smaller programs. And as those fans lose interest in seeing their better players just hop off to better deals...those programs will more than likely begin to fold up shop and no longer have football programs. And more and more fans of even middling programs (UK probably falls into this category) start to lose interest of the top tier programs just shopping on your roster, etc... I see the total "bag" shrinking and while the big players will get theirs....the revenue for all the players will fall off...that is how I see this playing out.
3. But here is the rub for me....why does NCAA allow a no sit transfer portal? Supreme court did not mandate this. So by combining NIL and transfer portal....it's a double whammy. Why we don't close up this thing is beyond my comprehension. It would lower kids and schools with all this roster turnover. And back to the first point of helping kids.....the more kids get to learn how to deal with dissapointment, grinding out overtime your spot on roster, etc...it's a life skill that can benefit many. And they get an college degree to help them get a job.
This isn't rocket science.
Agree with the first two points, though point 3, less so. I would add that SCOTUS and go read Justice Cavanaugh's comments where he blasted the NCAA. They made it clear that the NCAA cannot enforce anything overly restrictive that isn't allowed everywhere else in working America. The NCAA is not going to take any chances and risk getting bankrupted by a major class action lawsuit. I suspect the rule they have now, 1 free transfer, will be challenged at some point which will force universities to enter into employment contracts to ensure continuity.
Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh rips NCAA in antitrust ruling, says it 'is not above the law'
Justice Brett Kavanaugh's opinion tears into the NCAA, says its business model "would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America."
www.usatoday.com
This stuff is so much more fun than hoops recruiting. The possibilities are endless for CFB.
I may have misinterpreted your original meaning. It sounded like you were criticizing the coach for pointing out that kids making decisions based solely on short term gains is not in the best interest of the kid. Your post above doesn't read that way, so perhaps I misinterpreted your initial point. I think the coach is 100% correct. How you fix the problem, or if it can be fixed at all, is another matter.
Couple predictions in on Maclin to UK today
I'd have to read the justice opinion.....but if SCOTUS is going to get into freedom of kids to go where they want when they want.....where does that end?Agree with the first two points, though point 3, less so. I would add that SCOTUS and go read Justice Cavanaugh's comments where he blasted the NCAA. They made it clear that the NCAA cannot enforce anything overly restrictive that isn't allowed everywhere else in working America. The NCAA is not going to take any chances and risk getting bankrupted by a major class action lawsuit. I suspect the rule they have now, 1 free transfer, will be challenged at some point which will force universities to enter into employment contracts to ensure continuity.
Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh rips NCAA in antitrust ruling, says it 'is not above the law'
Justice Brett Kavanaugh's opinion tears into the NCAA, says its business model "would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America."www.usatoday.com
1. Why does a kid even have to finish a season and transfer week to week? Why even have a portal open and closing dates?
2. I don't interpret the SCOTUS as nothing but NIL related....and zero to do wtih portal. If so, why does NFL get to keep players under contract for periods of time (even allowing franchise tags to be applied after contract). Every major league sport confines player freedom/movement to a large degree.....why does college have to be a free for all?
I see one CB pick for UK for Maclin, from Josh Edwards who sometimes gets a little ahead of himself because he is such a UK homer. Edwards was right about Trayanum though. The fact remains that Maclin visited UK and has been talking with our coaches, so this is the window for him to commit to UK if he is going to. He certainly has options.
All the transfers in this December window will want to enroll at their new schools in January. So we are about to see a flood of new commits because most of them will get it over with before Christmas. The next seven days are going to be interesting.
Yes. Talking about managing an 85 man roster versus a 13 man roster. Many more possibilities and a lot more last-minute maneuvering.
I haven't seen anything yet. That convinces me that our next WR coach is currently in a bowl camp with another college team or else perhaps he is an active NFL coach. I will just say again that Stoops' hiring choices are usually surprises.
With decommits/portal UK picked up 4 scholarships in the past few days. How do they fill those, portal or HS or combination?
Re Maclin, he and BVG have apparently been in close contact recently.
Read an article today listing the 15 best QB's currently in the portal. It listed Vandagriff as the seventh best and commented about him already committing here. It said that he has the arm to make all the throws and also has good scrambling ability.
Thank you. I was not criticizing the coaches sentiments, as I agree with them, but I also am empathetic with the kids' ignorance and lack of support system designed to make good decisions. I feel we as adults, coaches, mentors etc need to do more to put these kids on the right path before the money becomes a consideration. Set their values before they can be corrupted by ignorant outside influences. I do think it is wrong to condemn these young athletes for their ignorance of long term planning and when our knowledge of this subject is a blessing due to circumstances that we did not necessarily control either. In my comment the "we" are the ones who were taught how to do this right, so it is easy for us to make statements as to how it should be done.
This is our starting 2024 slot receiver. TRob was pretty good, but this is an upgrade. Vandagriff deserves a lot of the credit for this commitment.
Like all these online ratings, clicks are the first priority. These guys don't know how the change in schemes will affect any of the transfers. A year ago, Leary was the #1 QB transfer according to online rankings. The more I read about Vandagriff and watch his film, the more I like him in Coach Coen's system.
1. An athlete does not have to wait until the end of the season or to transfer in the portal window. They may go any time. The window time frame ensures they are immediately eligible(assuming all other conditions grades, credits etc are met)
2. The SCOTUS decision was NIL related, but the comments with the published opinions were quite a scathing rebuke of the NCAA and hinted at much more devastating rulings if these issues should come back before the court. Justice Kavanaugh called the NCAA's business model "illegal" and suggested that they figure out a way to collectively bargain (ie they become employees) or look into how Title IX can be used as a type of salary cap, which might come about with the lawsuit against U of Oregon by female athletes.
2. Because the NFL players are unionized employees and the collective bargaining agreement gives the right for the union to negotiate just about any benefit or restriction. College players have nothing like that and the universities made it clear they don't want them to be employees. You can't have it both ways.
I'm not an attorney, though worked as an HR consultant for many years, so have some cursory knowledge of employment law. Maybe some of the attorneys on here can add their two cents.
Yup..so our WR depth looks like
X - Cottam...maybe Key is 2nd string
slot - Maclin...Anthony Brown-Stephen is 2nd string
Z - Barion (I guess he's not transferring)...and Porter is 2nd string
Maybe that is how our depth chart is shaking out
I've heard Cottrell is more of a project about even with Porter development wise competing for the X.
IMO if one of them emerges then they will move Key to Z.
I'm excited to grab Maclin to fill the slot position, he resembles Wan'Dale quite a bit in his film.
OT: a bit of trivia Macline is the cousin of NFL receiver Jeromy Macline.
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I think signing Maclin is a home run. I won't compare him to Wandale, because that isn't fair. Wandale is a pro. But Maclin is an upgrade compared to TRob, and that is a compliment.
Key will almost certainly remain at the "x" position in our starting lineup. The competition will help him, as will the coaching change. While 2023 has been a season of regression for Key, generally speaking, OTOH Dane turned it around in November. The regression has a lot to do with why Woodward is no longer here. Dane has immense upside. He is still potentially an NFL receiver, and I look for our next WR coach to clean up his route running and approach and make a pro out of him.
Cottrell is an important add, but he has one career catch. Both Cottrell and Porter have great frames and tools but are way behind Key and BB in development even though our starters also need more development. ABS will understudy Maclin but ABS has a big future. He is another who was done no favors by Woodward.
I look for one more WR to be added from the portal. Our coaches are working hard to hang onto Hardley Gilmore, who will become a great SEC player at UK. I was looking at David Washington's offer sheet, and it isn't exactly chopped liver either.
Agree, Maclin is a really nice addition. As for T. Robinson, consider that he had a hard time staying healthy. When healthy he was solid, let's hope Maclin can stay on the field.
I wasn't putting TRob down. I was complimenting our staff on the acquisition of Maclin. I expect Vandagriff and Maclin to be a potent combination in Coach Coen's pro-pass.
BTW, a judge just issued a restraining order against the NCAA regarding the 1 year residency requirement after multiple transfers, so the NCAA saw the writing on the wall and will no longer make players sit out a year for multiple transfers. I put the link in a new thread, but I think this shows where this is going. If they want to try to keep it looking like the college sports we recognize, they are going to have to make them employees, then negotiate the rules with a union or they can choose to not employ them and we have some level of chaos.
I figure the DB is Nicholson from.Miss St. Could the edge be Overton from a&m, with his long discussed family connection to UK.
a lot of fun to follow and speculate
Geezus I hate seeing anything to do with government or politicians spoiling my sanctuary of sports. Once any of those assholes get involved, yes even the SC Justices because everything in that didgusting wretch of a town screams corruption, lies, deception ad nauseam then it all goes to hell in a henbasket. Stop it already. I’m already looking for 500 acres out in the middle of nowhere..
Oh I know, just unfortunate UK didn't get the full effect of T. Robinson...hope for better luck with Maclin.
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