Transgender Athletes, Opinion ?

[CondorCat]

Just do away with the "Mens" division in sports and call it the "Open" division. The Open division would be for males, trans-athletes, and any women who want to compete at the highest level. Keep the "Womens" division for biological females only and maintain the current records. Currently there are over a thousand IAAF male sprinters with faster times than Flo-Jo's 100 meter women's world record set in 1988. In fairness, lets keep these historical records.

Some sports are already divided this way. In golf, the PGA is open to anyone who can qualify for tournaments. They also have an LPGA for women only.

Some non-athletic competitions that are dominated by men also have divisions like this. For example, The World Series of Poker has an Open plus a Ladies division. In championship chess, of the top 100 grandmasters only 2 are women (highest ranked is 89th), yet they also have Lady Grandmasters that compete in women's only tournaments.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

The guy parading as a female swimmer is making other girls in the locker room uncomfortable due to exposing his penis and still has an attraction to females. Hahahaha

https://www.dailywire.com/news/lia-...awkward-because-thomas-male-genitalia-exposed

 

[starchief5]

Who cares what your DNA says after you're dead? Why not be happy while alive?
Other than sports, who cares what trans people choose to do with their lives? I get the sports aspect, but don't get why anyone cares about any other aspect of trans people's lives.

Most people care because ...

1. It is demonstrably unfair to females when they have to compete against males in almost all sports. And fairness is expected in sports.

2. It naturally makes almost everybody uncomfortable (and most females, fearful) to know that there is someone of the opposite sex in the same public bathroom or dressing room with them.

3. It makes many people feel like idiots to have refer to someone they know is the opposite sex by some other pronoun.

I'm certainly not going to mistreat (unless not agreeing that they are truly another gender is mistreatment) someone for being trans but neither am I going to "just get used to it."

 

[sambowieshin]

Most people care because ...

1. It is demonstrably unfair to females when they have to compete against males in almost all sports. And fairness is expected in sports.

2. It naturally makes almost everybody uncomfortable (and most females, fearful) to know that there is someone of the opposite sex in the same public bathroom or dressing room with them.

3. It makes many people feel like idiots to have refer to someone they know is the opposite sex by some other pronoun.

I'm certainly not going to mistreat (unless not agreeing that they are truly another gender is mistreatment) someone for being trans but neither am I going to "just get used to it."

You missed the part where I specified sports as my exception to trans acceptance. I agree that it is an unfair advantage.
Other than sports, idgaf about how another person wants to live their life, dress, or the name they choose.
It's bizarre as hell to me why anyone would care what kind of clothes I wear or the name I chose to be called.

 

[Ron Mehico]

You missed the part where I specified sports as my exception to trans acceptance. I agree that it is an unfair advantage.
Other than sports, idgaf about how another person wants to live their life, dress, or the name they choose.
It's bizarre as hell to me why anyone would care what kind of clothes I wear or the name I chose to be called.

I absolutely think it’s completely beyond the scope of comprehension that you are confused as to why people would care. Like, in the last 30 years older people have complained about kids wearing saggy pants, kids dressing in goth attire, our basketball team wearing different colored shoes, tattoos. But now everyone is confused that people are dressing in the different sex and older people find it odd and are complaining? Seriously? Like if my 84 year old dad saw a transgender walking around I shouldn’t expect him to find it weird?

That’s the problem with social media nowadays. People have their heads so far up their own asses that they literally can’t even see things from other peoples perspective.

 

[sambowieshin]

I absolutely think it’s completely beyond the scope of comprehension that you are confused as to why people would care. Like, in the last 30 years older people have complained about kids wearing saggy pants, kids dressing in goth attire, our basketball team wearing different colored shoes, tattoos. But now everyone is confused that people are dressing in the different sex and older people find it odd and are complaining? Seriously? Like if my 84 year old dad saw a transgender walking around I shouldn’t expect him to find it weird?

That’s the problem with social media nowadays. People have their heads so far up their own asses that they literally can’t even see things from other peoples perspective.

Here's the difference. If a trans person sees your dad they are not going to say negative things or discriminate against him.
But many trans people endure verbal/physical assault and even death just because of how they want to live their life.
I'm not saying you don't have to think it's not weird....I think it's weird too. But that doesn't give me the right to attack them for how they chose to live.
You're confusing thoughts with actions.
We can't always control thoughts but actions are within control.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Here's the difference. If a trans person sees your dad they are not going to say negative things or discriminate against him.

Haha of course they will. Those mentally deranged lunatics will assume Ron's dad is a transphobe based on his age without Ron's dad saying a single word.

Get help Sam. You are as mentally unstable as the guy who chops off his weiner calls himself a "woman"

 

[Ron Mehico]

Here's the difference. If a trans person sees your dad they are not going to say negative things or discriminate against him.
But many trans people endure verbal/physical assault and even death just because of how they want to live their life.
I'm not saying you don't have to think it's not weird....I think it's weird too. But that doesn't give me the right to attack them for how they chose to live.
You're confusing thoughts with actions.
We can't always control thoughts but actions are within control.

You didn’t say that, you said you find it confusing that people care. I agree that I find it confusing that someone would want to harm/kill the person, but that’s not what we were talking about.

Here’s the thing, I’m exposed to about 10 transgender folks a year, my wife more since she works with teenagers (and it’s actually exploded in size in the last 2 years). It’s an odd interaction. You don’t know if they want to be called they/them or their new pronoun. Some literally get offended if you call them the wrong pronoun so you feel like you’re walking on eggshells. I saw someone at work the other day who I’ve know as Sam for 5 years but this time when I saw them it was Sarah and she had stubble and was talking in a high pitched voice to sound female but it just sounded like a dude speaking in a high pitched voice. It was really weird. I’m sorry, it just was. And I like Sarah, she’s nice, I don’t hold ill will against her.

But I’m not even allowed to say it’s weird or off or jarring to be around it for the first time. If I do I’m labeled transphobic. I’m not even allowed to question it. I can actually get scolded for calling them the wrong pronoun. How are you supposed to have an honest dialogue about it if that’s the case? If half of society isn’t even allowed to speak about it without fear of being labeled a bigot then how will any thought about it be resolved. You thinking it’s weird that people even care, like everyone is just supposed to stare blankly after being exposed to it, is weird to me. To me it’s how things get divided into groups, when people fear that they can’t even think their own honest thoughts without being shamed for them, thoughts that to me seem normal. Just my two cents anyway.

 

[starchief5]

Here's the difference. If a trans person sees your dad they are not going to say negative things or discriminate against him.
But many trans people endure verbal/physical assault and even death just because of how they want to live their life.
I'm not saying you don't have to think it's not weird....I think it's weird too. But that doesn't give me the right to attack them for how they chose to live.
You're confusing thoughts with actions.
We can't always control thoughts but actions are within control.

I don''t believe they should be verbally or physically assaulted (although I could make an exception for this guy uh, girl)

 

[starchief5]

Just yesterday at the doctor's office I had to tell them which pronoun I prefer to be addressed as. I should have replied. Anything other than " old fart."

*I probably should be nervous because my doctor has not been able to determine my gender yet, even though she stuck her finger up my butt once."

 

[IdaCat]

I don''t believe they should be verbally or physically assaulted (although I could make an exception for this guy uh, girl)

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[SDC8888]

man, chit can get pretty real in gamestop apparently

 

[thabigbluenation]

The guy parading as a female swimmer is making other girls in the locker room uncomfortable due to exposing his penis and still has an attraction to females. Hahahaha

https://www.dailywire.com/news/lia-...awkward-because-thomas-male-genitalia-exposed

That's because he is a lesbian, duh. With a penis.

 

[kygator1969]

Just yesterday at the doctor's office I had to tell them which pronoun I prefer to be addressed as. I should have replied. Anything other than " old fart."

*I probably should be nervous because my doctor has not been able to determine my gender yet, even though she stuck her finger up my butt once."

If they are addressing me, the only pronoun they should be using is “you”. If they are talking about me to someone else they can use my name. In my entire life, nobody has used the wrong pronoun with me. If they use the wrong pronoun, they are dumber than every single person I’ve ever encountered in my life.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The guy parading as a female swimmer is making other girls in the locker room uncomfortable due to exposing his penis and still has an attraction to females. Hahahaha

https://www.dailywire.com/news/lia-...awkward-because-thomas-male-genitalia-exposed

Hang a cinder block from his penis and let him compete.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Why would the left support a white male in "Woman-Face."

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

In order to commit "transphobic" behavior wouldn't transgenderism need to be a real and actual thing?
According to science , it is not.
This entire subject has been hijacked by liberals or so-called "progressives" who aggressively push a agenda that would normalize and mainstream a mental illness.
Many people suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a real thing and a mental disease. We are talking about people who need professional medical help. But, instead of the help they need, they are being told their abnormal behavior is perfectly OK and acceptable?
What has happened to the Hippocratic Oath?

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

In order to commit "transphobic" behavior wouldn't transgenderism need to be a real and actual thing?
According to science , it is not.
This entire subject has been hijacked by liberals or so-called "progressives" who aggressively push a agenda that would normalize and mainstream a mental illness.
Many people suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a real thing and a mental disease. We are talking about people who need professional medical help. But, instead of the help they need, they are being told their abnormal behavior is perfectly OK and acceptable?
What has happened to the Hippocratic Oath?

I was told if you sleep with a tranny you are all good.

 

[J_Dee]

16 Penn Swim Team Members Ask School, Ivy League to Refrain From Litigation To Allow Lia Thomas To Race At NCAAs

To: The University of Pennsylvania and the Ivy League
From: Nancy Hogshead-Makar, J.D., CEO of Champion Women, on behalf of 16 Members of the Penn Women’s Swimming Team and Their Families
Date: February 3, 2022
Re: We Request that Penn and the Ivy League Do Not Engage in Litigation to Alter the NCAA’s New Eligibility Guidelines for Transgender Athletes

We, 16 members of the Penn Women’s Swimming Team and our family members, thank USA Swimming, for listening to our request to prioritize fairness for biological women in our elite competitions. We ask that Penn and the Ivy League support us as biological women, and not engage in legal action with the NCAA to challenge these new Athlete Inclusion Policies.

Tuesday, USA Swimming released new “Athlete Inclusion Procedures” shortly after the NCAA acknowledged that each sport should determine how fairness and inclusion were to be accomplished. In particular, we appreciate USAS Guideline’s guiding purpose, to ensure that transgender women competing in the Female competition category “do not have an unfair advantage over their cisgender Female competitors in Elite Events.” (USAS, page 42, #6 (a))

We fully support Lia Thomas in her decision to affirm her gender identity and to transition from a man to a woman. Lia has every right to live her life authentically.

However, we also recognize that when it comes to sports competition, that the biology of sex is a separate issue from someone’s gender identity. Biologically, Lia holds an unfair advantage over competition in the women’s category, as evidenced by her rankings that have bounced from #462 as a male to #1 as a female. If she were to be eligible to compete against us, she could now break Penn, Ivy, and NCAA Women’s Swimming records; feats she could never have done as a male athlete.

The Penn Women’s Swimming Team has over 40 women, but only 18 of us are chosen to compete in the end-of-year culmination of our work: the Ivy Championships. Most important to us is that Lia’s inclusion with unfair biological advantages means that we have lost competitive opportunities. Some of us have lost records. But even those that swim different events than Lia or were not in contention to make the Ivy Championships, we stand by our teammates who have lost out. It has often felt like Penn, our school, our league, and the NCAA did not support us.

We have dedicated our lives to swimming. Most of us started the same time Lia did, as pre-teens. We have trained up to 20 hours a week, swimming miles, running and lifting weights. To be sidelined or beaten by someone competing with the strength, height, and lung capacity advantages that can only come with male puberty has been exceedingly difficult.

We have been told that if we spoke out against her inclusion into women’s competitions, that we would be removed from the team or that we would never get a job offer. When media have tried to reach out to us, these journalists have been told that the coaches and athletes were prohibited from talking to them. We support Lia’s mental health, and we ask Penn and the Ivy League to support ours as well.

We hope that sport will adapt; that swimming will find a place for Lia to compete. Lia is always welcome to train with us; the men’s and women’s swimming teams have always trained together with the same head coach.

However, sport is competitive by definition, and Lia’s wins, records, and honors should not come at our expense, the women who have worked their entire lives to earn a spot on the Penn Women’s Swimming Team.

We just celebrated National Girls and Women in Sports Day. In honor of the Title IX pioneers who have worked so hard for women to have opportunities in sports and for educational opportunities for all women, we ask the University of Pennsylvania recognize the importance of providing fair competition and safe spaces for its biological female athletes. Further, we ask that Penn and the Ivy League refrain from suing the NCAA, or try to interfere with or weaken these new Athlete Inclusion Policies, that they be allowed to stand, so that we are able to finish our swimming season with distinction and pride.

Good to see the Penn swim team taking a well-reasoned, well-presented stand.

 

[WayneDougan]

The leaders of the LBQT-whatever community know damn well that Lia Thomas has an advantage over regular women. They can't say that though because that shoots a hole in all the other crap they're saying (e.g. transwomen are women, men can have babies). So arguing over this is pretty pointless because they won't debate you in good faith.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

The leaders of the LBQT-whatever community know damn well that Lia Thomas has an advantage over regular women. They can't say that though because that shoots a hole in all the other crap they're saying (e.g. transwomen are women, men can have babies). So arguing over this is pretty pointless because they won't debate you in good faith.

I believe that only "menstruating persons" as they call them are acknowledged to be able to become a "pregnant person." A trans-woman (aka a man in "woman-face") is not able to do so. I am not sure where furries might fit in to this issue but certainly one whose "fursona" defines themselves as an otter would have a distinct advantage in the water over Lia Thomas.

 

[AustinTXCat]

He’s from Evarts so his views are like 60 years behind

Says our resident loon from Hiram or Totz or some other rural burg off 119.....

 

[Ed323232]

Says our resident loon from Hiram or Totz or some other rural burg off 119.....

When you go to Bell Co do you pull off and take a picture with the Matt Jones sign?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

When you go to Bell Co do you pull off and take a picture with the Matt Jones sign?

(1) There’s a Matt Jones sign?
(2) Is the Matt Jones sign relevant to the transgender in sports discussion?

 

[WayneDougan]

My favorite part of the Lia Thomas story is that the fellow swimmers and their parents absolutely hate the fact Lia is swimming, but are such pussies they won’t publicly come out and do anything about it. Btw, these are kids from the same schools who always talk about how much they care about free speech and protest every right wing thing that comes down the pipe. They deserve Lia Thomas.

 

[Ed323232]

(1) There’s a Matt Jones sign?
(2) Is the Matt Jones sign relevant to the transgender in sports discussion?

Your stalking of me gives me a good laugh daily. I just posted in the war thread so be sure to run there and comment.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Your stalking of me gives me a good laugh daily. I just posted in the war thread so be sure to run there and comment.

Oh, you don’t want people to read your attempts at humor. Fair enough.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

My favorite part of the Lia Thomas story is that the fellow swimmers and their parents absolutely hate the fact Lia is swimming, but are such pussies they won’t publicly come out and do anything about it. Btw, these are kids from the same schools who always talk about how much they care about free speech and protest every right wing thing that comes down the pipe. They deserve Lia Thomas.

I think it speaks to a legitimate fear of being cancelled by the edu-elite who have already threatened them to keep quiet. Dont worry. Lia and this atrocity for womens sports will cause it to collapse on itself.

 

[IdaCat]

Yes, it will collapse. Liberals will then move on to another idiocy to normalize and push it to the extreme without any forethought like rudderless infants with undeveloped minds probing the limits of accepted insanity.

 

[Backer cutter]

Says our resident loon from Hiram or Totz or some other rural burg off 119.....

She swallowed more than she could handle. Enough said. Pussified generation. Just witnessed my dad, 89 years old, copd , for over 30 years. Survived Covid, for over a month. It finally got him, but it knew it was in a battle. This generation is softer than mashed potatoes. Ain’t worth shit.

 

[Chuckinden]

What does it say on the birth certificate? That's the gender you should be participating in sports in.

 

[PTI (pti)]

There are 47 different states that allow a person to change the gender on their birth certificate, most by completing gender reassignment surgery. So that doesn't really solve this (mostly non-existent) problem, by the way.

In Kentucky, there is already a rule in place per KHSAA that in order for trans athletes to participate in a gender other than the one of their birth, they have to complete gender reassignment surgery before puberty and/or update their birth certificate, just as you described. That's why there are zero in the entire state. Good news, you can rest easy at night with your faux outrage.

 

[cole854]

PTI continues to miss the point.

 

[IFerg1969]

We should have trans leagues in sports where they just compete with each other. Their gender cannot be accurately identified and they are all doping for their gender transition, so competing against traditional genders is unfair no matter how you look at it. Let them have their own thing.

Also want to add this gives an opportunity for the woke crowd to cheer on their hero’s, while the rest of us can continue to watch normal sports.

There’s a reason they want to compete in a men’s or a women’s league, no transgender league will stand on its own two legs. Who’s going to support it?

I mean, just look at the WNBA operating at a 10 million dollar deficit that gets covered by the NBA each year. Sorry, was that joke in bad taste?

 

[Bigblue2023]

There’s a reason they want to compete in a men’s or a women’s league, no transgender league will stand on its own two legs. Who’s going to support it?

I mean, just look at the WNBA operating at a 10 million dollar deficit that gets covered by the NBA each year. Sorry, was that joke in bad taste?

I cleared that up later that this post was very sarcastic. If you want a real solution, that’s easy…

ALL trans athletes must compete in the mens division of whatever sport they play. They also have to abide by the doping rules in said sport.

This is comparable to sports like tennis that have gender and age specific tournaments and play, and they also have an OPEN draw for anyone wishing to compete. A 20 year old male college athlete can’t elect to play in womens or 40 and over mens. However a female or 45 year old male can compete in the open draw.

You can be a trans all you want, but only naturally born women who have not transitioned with the help of drugs can compete in the womens division. Zero trans should be competing against natural women. Put them in the mens and it will sort itself out.

 

[IFerg1969]

I cleared that up later that this post was very sarcastic. If you want a real solution, that’s easy…

ALL trans athletes must compete in the mens division of whatever sport they play. They also have to abide by the doping rules in said sport.

This is comparable to sports like tennis that have gender and age specific tournaments and play, and they also have an OPEN draw for anyone wishing to compete. A 20 year old male college athlete can’t elect to play in womens or 40 and over mens. However a female or 45 year old male can compete in the open draw.

You can be a trans all you want, but only naturally born women who have not transitioned with the help of drugs can compete in the womens division. Zero trans should be competing against natural women. Put them in the mens and it will sort itself out.

Oh I get it, I figured a lot of it was tongue n cheek. Can't say I disagree with anything you've said. It's sad that this has to be addressed at all. We haven't heard too much from Lia Thomas. I'm sure he\she\whatever wants to compete in meaningful events because she's competitive. Another part of me thinks she is also doing it to force governing bodies to actually consider things, instead of just avoiding or ignoring the issue.