The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[CastleRubric]

I would advocate massive cuts in money sent out of the country in general not just diverting it elsewhere. Exactly where spending can be cut and just how deep is obviously a much more complex question but I consider it way past time to make it happen.

Start with defense spending cuts -

Cut funding & formal ties w/outdated NATO and reallocate funds previously obligated to support US military presence at Lavenheath & Mildenhall RAFBs in England + at least one other USAFE/EU military base

Eliminate certain black budget spending & reallocate former funds for NATO dues and upkeep -- reassign those funds in emergency fashion - for hemispheric cooperation along border regions and ports

Specifically - public health infrastructure on our two major national borders...offer standardized (LAV/traditional shots) collection of immunizations for migrant workers -

Begin active screening of the demographics
& health data for the recent series of unprocessed immigrants -- look for indicators of public health threats & security threats

Shut down the militarized PSYOPS being used against US citizens - repeal the 2012 NDAA amendment allowing such abuse of power

And generate a funded account/financial system to support legitimate migrant healthcare once they are inside the US

challenge Mexico and Canada to contribute to the funding pot fm their oil or timber revenue

Implement a consumotion tax for migrants that also pays back into the central healthcare funds mentioned above

That would help remove some of the unnecessary epidemiological risk's being assumed right now while also reducing economic burden on our healthcare and other support systems designed for citizens run by their taxes the USG collects


Repeal the space force as a separate service branch - reshape the funding for Air Force, Army and US Space Command units & eliminate all that future spending and duplication of effort and WASTE that the new service branch will certainly generate


Legalized cannibis federally - taxed to help support farms and water infrastructure programs




Shit - it's almost 3am......
Shhhheeeiiit

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Comparing Putin to Hitler is really something.

One thing about Hitler that I admired is that he didn’t take any shit from magicians.

 

[Marleydogg]

Suggesting that a government with a Jewish President and Prime Minister is rife with Nazi’s, is really something, too.

Putin doesn’t have the totalitarian control possessed by Hitler or Stalin, yet, but he’s working on it.

Hey, Hack, I'm sure you've seenthe articles posted from 2018 era by the liberal msm about all the neo-nazi factions in the Ukraine and their military. Guess all those guys changed their minds?

 

[RunninRichie]

Hey, Hack, I'm sure you've seenthe articles posted from 2018 era by the liberal msm about all the neo-nazi factions in the Ukraine and their military. Guess all those guys changed their minds?

You mean that SINGLE unit in the Ukrainian army? The azov regiment? That was formed mostly by Russian citizens, and far right extremists? Using that logic america has a nazi problem too. You saw all those nazi flags at rallies, haven't you?

 

[JumperJack]

You mean that SINGLE unit in the Ukrainian army? The azov regiment? That was formed mostly by Russian citizens, and far right extremists? Using that logic america has a nazi problem too. You saw all those nazi flags at rallies, haven't you?

The equivalency would be whether we have a Nazi regiment in our army that’s funded with our taxes. Correct?

 

[RunninRichie]

The equivalency would be whether we have a Nazi regiment in our army that’s funded with our taxes. Correct?

 

[JumperJack]

And it’s a problem and unacceptable, correct?

 

[RunninRichie]

And it’s a problem and unacceptable, correct?

So because one regiment in the ukraine army has some nazi leanings the whole nation needs to be invaded? Far-right guys are just as bad as far-left guys. Facts.

 

[JumperJack]

So because one regiment in the ukraine army has some nazi leanings the whole nation needs to be invaded? Far-right guys are just as bad as far-left guys. Facts.

Who said they needed to be invaded?

 

[SDC888]

You are woefully mis/disinformed if you genuinely believe that Ukraine's nazi problem is in any way comparable to the smattering of idiots we might have.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Obviously unacceptable. But to act like there’s a nazi regiment in the marines is completely disingenuous.

The inspector general found there was no intent on the part of the Marines to identify themselves with the SS.

An investigation found the symbol was meant to identify the Marines as scout snipers, but that it was still unacceptable, the Associated Press reported.

 

[vhcat70]

bttt

 

[AustinTXCat]

Bunch of assholes....

Russia strikes Ukraine blood transfusion center; multiple dead and injured reported

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine said the missiles, "destroyed the city's blood transfusion center."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Larry Skaggs]

Has the Zelensky authorised the use of laughing gas?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Has the Zelensky authorised the use of laughing gas?

He just met Chris Christie.

 

[The-Hack]

Guess all those guys changed their minds?

They subject themselves to being led by a civilian government with lots of Jews in charge, so I guess they have changed their minds!!

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So, August 8, 2023: how is Ukraine doing?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

So, August 8, 2023: how is Ukraine doing?

Did we spend enough money yet to win this proxy war?

 

[SDC888]

Same place I said we'd be from the start: needlessly wasting the flower of Ukrainian youth in a useless quagmire for financial profit and geopolitical gain.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Did we spend enough money yet to win this proxy war?

If my super quick calculations are correct, the DJIA is up 3.25% and the Dow defense contractor index is up 6.26% since Feb 20, 2022.

 

[entropy13]

Same place I said we'd be from the start: needlessly wasting the flower of Ukrainian youth in a useless quagmire for financial profit and geopolitical gain.

I think this is argument is flawed. The war has caused economic hardship not just here, but globally. Unless you really think munitions manufacturers have a grip on the levers of power, the kind of stuff we're sending isn't high-end, big ticket items that the defense industrial complex would drool about replacing. To you and the other Putin appeaseniks in this thread who have called for a cessation of hostilities and peace talks, I think you should take notice of Russia's reaction to the recent Saudi Arabian-led peace talks, including the participation of its ally China.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/07/middleeast/saudi-arabia-ukraine-talks-china-mime-intl/index.html

The Russians aren't interested in peace. And frankly, it's not your or anyone's else's position to tell the Ukrainian people whether they want to continue to fight or not.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I think this is argument is flawed. The war has caused economic hardship not just here, but globally. Unless you really think munitions manufacturers have a grip on the levers of power, the kind of stuff we're sending isn't high-end, big ticket items that the defense industrial complex would drool about replacing. To you and the other Putin appeaseniks in this thread who have called for a cessation of hostilities and peace talks, I think you should take notice of Russia's reaction to the recent Saudi Arabian-led peace talks, including the participation of its ally China.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/07/middleeast/saudi-arabia-ukraine-talks-china-mime-intl/index.html

The Russians aren't interested in peace. And frankly, it's not your or anyone's else's position to tell the Ukrainian people whether they want to continue to fight or not.

For the Nazi appeaseniks*, like you, how is Ukraine doing? Seems this thread’s enthusiasm has waned.

*you beg for this stupid shat.

 

[RunninRichie]

For the Nazi appeaseniks*, like you, how is Ukraine doing? Seems this thread’s enthusiasm has waned.

*you beg for this stupid shat.

Then I guess all you russian fanboys are also nazi appeasers too. Here's Dmitry Utkin, founder of Wagner (his call sign was Wagner in the GRU). You far-right guys fall for this Russian propaganda like its candy. You're nothing more than Vatniks.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Then I guess all you russian fanboys are also nazi appeasers too. Here's Dmitry Utkin, founder of Wagner (his call sign was Wagner in the GRU).

So, your conclusion and admission is that we both are Nazi appeasers. Solid post. 🤦‍♂️

 

[RunninRichie]

So, your conclusion and admission is that we both are Nazi appeasers. Solid post. 🤦‍♂️

Using your logic against you. Because ONE Ukraine unit with some nazi leanings that was formed mostly from Russian immigrants, and criminals (the azov regiment) we are Nazi appeasers? Likewise, one Russian commander has Nazi tats all over his body. So you're a Nazi appeaser as well. Sounds stupid doesn't it? Well, that's the logic you're trying to use.

 

[RunninRichie]

What's even funnier is seeing all you far-right guys repeat Russian propaganda. Russia did not invade Ukraine to ''de-nazify'' it.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/only-the-ruling-elite-in-ukraine-are-nazis-not-ordinary-ukrainians

This is an new twist on the Nazi Ukraine narrative. One of the Kremlin’s most common disinformation narratives to justify its devastating war against Ukraine is the lie that Russia is pursuing the “denazification” of Ukraine. In reality, Ukraine is not a Nazi state, does not have a Nazi ruling elite and Nazism is not Ukraine’s ideology.

The myth of Nazi-ruled Ukraine has been the cornerstone of Russian disinformation about the country since the very beginning of the 2013-14 Euromaidan protests, when it was used to discredit the pro-European popular uprising in Kyiv and, subsequently, the broader pro-Western shift in Ukraine's foreign policy.

In 2015, Ukraine issued a ban on Nazi and Communist ideologies. On top of that, far-right groups had a limited presence during the Euromaidan protests and have suffered defeats in every national election after that, with a united front of all radical right-wing parties in the 2019 parliamentary elections winning only 2.15% of the vote falling far short of the 5% minimum guaranteeing entry into parliament.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Using your logic against you. Because ONE Ukraine unit with some nazi leanings that was formed mostly from Russian immigrants, and criminals (the azov regiment) we are Nazi appeasers? Likewise, one Russian commander has Nazi tats all over his body. So you're a Nazi appeaser as well. Sounds stupid doesn't it? Well, that's the logic you're trying to use.

No. You are completely missing my point, perhaps (we hope) on purpose. It’s idiotic (not an overstatement) how you and others argue on this thread.

Read my post and the one to which I responded and pray for comprehension skills.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

What's even funnier is seeing all you far-right guys repeat Russian propaganda. Russia did not invade Ukraine to ''de-nazify'' it.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/only-the-ruling-elite-in-ukraine-are-nazis-not-ordinary-ukrainians

This is an new twist on the Nazi Ukraine narrative. One of the Kremlin’s most common disinformation narratives to justify its devastating war against Ukraine is the lie that Russia is pursuing the “denazification” of Ukraine. In reality, Ukraine is not a Nazi state, does not have a Nazi ruling elite and Nazism is not Ukraine’s ideology.

The myth of Nazi-ruled Ukraine has been the cornerstone of Russian disinformation about the country since the very beginning of the 2013-14 Euromaidan protests, when it was used to discredit the pro-European popular uprising in Kyiv and, subsequently, the broader pro-Western shift in Ukraine's foreign policy.

In 2015, Ukraine issued a ban on Nazi and Communist ideologies. On top of that, far-right groups had a limited presence during the Euromaidan protests and have suffered defeats in every national election after that, with a united front of all radical right-wing parties in the 2019 parliamentary elections winning only 2.15% of the vote falling far short of the 5% minimum guaranteeing entry into parliament.

You are off the rails and you don’t even know it.

 

[RunninRichie]

You are off the rails and you don’t even know it.

I still remember when you all ran with the ''biolabs in Ukraine'' when the Russians dropped that little propaganda bit out last year. God that was hilarious.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I still remember when you all ran with the ''biolabs in Ukraine'' when the Russians dropped that little propaganda bit out last year. God that was hilarious.

My gosh, did you read the post to which I responded and even attempt to comprehend my point??? I certainly hope not, because that would make you just dumb.

And, show me one bio lab post from me. How is that memory?

 

[RunninRichie]

My gosh, did you read the post to which I responded and even attempt to comprehend my point??? I certainly hope not, because that would make you just dumb.

And, show me one bio lab post from me. How is that memory?

You called Ukrainian's nazis, then said some snarky comment about how Ukraine is doing? Ukraine is trying to advance through miles and miles of minefields with Russian artillery zeroed in on their minefield clearers. They've shifted back to doing counter-battery operations and hitting Russian troop concentrations. War is not a video game. I suppose you saw the 2 Russian ships get hit by the Ukrainian navy's sea drones, Comrade?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

You called Ukrainian's nazis, then said some snarky comment about how Ukraine is doing? Ukraine is trying to advance through miles and miles of minefields with Russian artillery zeroed in on their minefield clearers. They've shifted back to doing counter-battery operations and hitting Russian troop concentrations. War is not a video game. I suppose you saw the 2 Russian ships get hit by the Ukrainian navy's sea drones, Comrade?

You DID NOT read the post to which I responded and/or do not understand the asterisk.

And, it was fact. Not snark. I want a Ukrainian victory. It’s so highly unlikely that we will just be watching their destruction and death.

 

[RunninRichie]

You DID NOT read the post to which I responded and/or do not understand the asterisk.

I read it fine. I might have misunderstood the nazi reference sure. But the comments about how Ukraine is doing? Nope.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I read it fine. I might have misunderstood the nazi reference sure. But the comments about how Ukraine is doing? Nope.

Okay, bud, you want to be upset. Be upset.

 

[RunninRichie]

You DID NOT read the post to which I responded and/or do not understand the asterisk.

And, it was fact. Not snark. I want a Ukrainian victory. It’s so highly unlikely that we will just be watching their destruction and death.

I'm not sure it is highly unlikely. If Ukraine can recapture Mariupol the war is over for Russia.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I thought the US admitted they were funding labs in the Ukraine. Just like the Wuhan lab that brought Covid to the world.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I'm not sure it is highly unlikely. If Ukraine can recapture Mariupol the war is over for Russia.

Let’s hope that happens.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I still remember when you all ran with the ''biolabs in Ukraine'' when the Russians dropped that little propaganda bit out last year. God that was hilarious.

It's always fun watching people that completely parrot all the talking points from their echo chamber immediately attack anyone with another viewpoint, citing their blind consumption of chosen information. The irony.

If that doesn't work, always just go back to the reliable Russian disinformation accusation.

 

[RunninRichie]

It's always fun watching people that completely parrot all the talking points from their echo chamber immediately attack anyone with another viewpoint, citing their blind consumption of chosen information. The irony.

If that doesn't work, always just go back to the reliable Russian disinformation accusation.

Or you know, someone who has an interest in Russian and Chinese propaganda and sees my fellow countrymen fall for it.

 

[RunninRichie]

I thought the US admitted they were funding labs in the Ukraine. just like the Wuhan lab that brought Covid to the world.

You're right about that.