The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Yes so long as you agree that Germany refused to certify the pipeline which, in effect, ended it.
Definitely, “so long as you agree” gas deliveries ceased in September 2022.
It’s, “A wise man once told me, don’t argue with fools, because people from a distance can’t tell who is who.”
But same sentiment.
Ukraine could join ranks of ‘frozen’ conflicts, U.S. officials say
How Ukraine could become the next South Korea.
www.politico.com
“The options discussed within the Biden administration for a long-term “freeze” include where to set potential lines that Ukraine and Russia would agree not to cross, but which would not have to be official borders. The discussions — while provisional — have taken place across various U.S. agencies and in the White House.”
America the arrogant is fully engaged in this war make no mistake. Ukraine has no sovereignty except what the US allows. How can any of you clowns say Ukraine is a sovereign nation now when it’s clear from this article it’s a pawn being used by the USA?
What's clear foremost is that you're FOS.
So you call people clowns but you either didn't read the article or didn't understand what you read. Tell us, what do you think it said?Ukraine could join ranks of ‘frozen’ conflicts, U.S. officials say
How Ukraine could become the next South Korea.
“The options discussed within the Biden administration for a long-term “freeze” include where to set potential lines that Ukraine and Russia would agree not to cross, but which would not have to be official borders. The discussions — while provisional — have taken place across various U.S. agencies and in the White House.”
America the arrogant is fully engaged in this war make no mistake. Ukraine has no sovereignty except what the US allows. How can any of you clowns say Ukraine is a sovereign nation now when it’s clear from this article it’s a pawn being used by the USA?
Biden said the US had nothing to do with the sabotage, but that he would get to the bottom of it. The Biden administration claimed that Russia destroyed its own pipelines.
To answer your question, not necessarily.
I’m sold!
That Cat has been faking his own incompetence for 15 years.
Joe “Bomber” Biden is a genius: he wields omnipotent power, and has to wear those shades lest his laser/taser vision fall upon a mere mortal.
So he blows up Nordstream II, then has a conversation with a flagpole during a break in a press conference the next day!
He lures the gullible Ruskies into a death trap, then mispronounces single syllable words like, “shade” and “Dad,” for cover!
While the world plays checkers, Biden is playing chess . . . Chinese Chess, no less (then he knocks the table over, slobbers a bit incoherently onto the pieces, etc.) but he’s playing Chess, by damn!!
Nah, you’re right. Russia blowing up their own pipeline makes worlds more sense. Biden got it right.
If you read the words from the Biden administration, did anyone ever claim Russia actually blew up the pipeline? They heavily implied it, but chose their words carefully.
Obviously the corporate media then ran with the narrative and blamed Russia.
Anyone with at least one functioning brain cell knew Russia didn’t blow up the pipeline.
Obviously the corporate media then ran with the narrative and blamed Russia.
Anyone with at least one functioning brain cell knew Russia didn’t blow up the pipeline.
Why? Russia blowing it up could have been to Russias benefit in many ways.
1. Simple false flag to make themselves look like a victim.
2. Punishment for Europe's aid to Ukraine.
3. Russia had nothing to lose by blowing it up. It is easily fixed in less than a year and as things stood, Germany wasn't allowing its use anyway so please see reason 1 and 2.
4. The people buying their gas were not getting it from the pipeline. Pleaase see reasons 1 and 2.
5. It was a stupid thing to do. It harmed the environment and had no benefit to anyone. The only country known to be making such terrible decisions is Russia.
6. This hits on much of what I was trying to say. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...eam-2-sabotage-sends-warning-will-blow-pipes/
No. It's right. It's just inconvenient because the only thing that makes the two situations different is one nation gave billions to politicians families for no show jobs. The other has to set themselves on fire to even get news coverage. But no one can allow themselves to see the contradiction because then it is an admission they've been fooled and we know people are way too smart to get fooled by media
So we havent said a word since 1972 back in a time when china had no interest in doing business with the world. That isn't exactly refuting my argument. It's at best arguing semantics
It's pretty amazing to see many in this thread unable to admit we were the ones who did this, despite the amount of evidence in the open. If they can't admit this basic fact, there really is no honest debate that can take place.
It was a huge benefit to the United States. We started shipping gas to Europe after various countries suspended the normal “environmental protections” they had in place to expedite construction of storage facilities.
Claiming Russia would punish Europe by blowing up pipelines rather than just refusing to ship gas is the most mind numbingly stupid thing that has been posted in this thread.
If you recall, this happened in the fall of last year when no one knew how bad the winter was going to be. The US blew it up (no one was blowing it up without the US involvement and permission) because they knew if push came to shove, and it was a bad winter, Germany would have been buying gas coming through the pipelines from Russia. That was the one piece of leverage Russia had.
Wow, I've never seen you be so obtuse. Think whatever you'd like with your Tibet idea.
Russia no debt, massive resources they have yet to exploit. China buying its oil.
The USA 32 trillion in debt mostly from the wars we lost and rebuilt. 27 trillion of it accumulated in the last 20 years. Anemic probably q1 negative growth. Inflation. Weakening dollar. Trillion and a half deficits.
The country on the brink of chaos and potential civil conflict especially when the economy turns and with this election about to fire up. Yet people here say we are winning this war by dropping 50 billion every 8 mos. That doesn’t include all of the gifted weapons from Eastern Europe they expect us to replace because these pathetic countries mooch from us and have for decades. Honestly the soviet break up was terrible for the world especially the USA.
The USSR kept stability. As soon as it disappeared Muslim terrorists appeared. Guys who cut their teeth in Afghanistan against the Russians. As soon as the USSR failed then the Muslim attackers came and destroyed us financially. We weren’t footing the bill for Eastern Europe. This crap has buried this country financially. Yet “more more” is the cry. That’s not even touching on the risks of total war which will happen as the USA will have to look for a way out of this bankrupt situation
The USA 32 trillion in debt mostly from the wars we lost and rebuilt. 27 trillion of it accumulated in the last 20 years. Anemic probably q1 negative growth. Inflation. Weakening dollar. Trillion and a half deficits.
The country on the brink of chaos and potential civil conflict especially when the economy turns and with this election about to fire up. Yet people here say we are winning this war by dropping 50 billion every 8 mos. That doesn’t include all of the gifted weapons from Eastern Europe they expect us to replace because these pathetic countries mooch from us and have for decades. Honestly the soviet break up was terrible for the world especially the USA.
The USSR kept stability. As soon as it disappeared Muslim terrorists appeared. Guys who cut their teeth in Afghanistan against the Russians. As soon as the USSR failed then the Muslim attackers came and destroyed us financially. We weren’t footing the bill for Eastern Europe. This crap has buried this country financially. Yet “more more” is the cry. That’s not even touching on the risks of total war which will happen as the USA will have to look for a way out of this bankrupt situation
And thinking we would blow it up when it was already useless is also mind numbingly stupid. Last fall Europe had nearly enough LNG in storage for the winter with a plan in place to meet their goal. The pipeline wasn't going to be used.
Ok Russia did it move on. You’re not convincing anyone but if it makes you feel better everyone concede to bbfGA that’s he’s right and even though biden told us what he would do, the Russians did it. You sound like Hillary guy come on! Pound the lie until everyone believes it. The Stalinist tactics used by especially the Clinton’s and the left.
I know it’s a road game but a very poor showing by Russia. #2 military power according to various polls against the #17 military. Just shows they’re overrated. Bunch of Daria Kasatkinas. They don’t want dis smoke. Oh-ver-ray-tid, 👏, 👏, 👏👏👏
Zelenskyy says 'Bakhmut is only in our hearts' after Russia claims control of Ukrainian city
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that he believes that Russia has taken control of the eastern city of Bakhmut. Zelenskyy's comments in Japan on Sunday came after a bloody eight-month battle by Moscow’s Wagner private army with the support of Russian troops that has left Bakhmut in...
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Don't always agree with Peter Zeihan's takes, but that's a pretty damn good synopsis (former classmate of mine, BTW). Should be required viewing for the appeaseniks in this thread and elsewhere. Shatters so much of their b*llsh*t, simpleton analysis.
Glenn, the Tonto/Kemosabe’ joke comes from an old source.
The original: The Lone Ranger tells Tonto, “Sh!t Tonto, we are surrounded by Indians!!” Tonto replies, “Who’s this “we,” Kemosabe’?”
The joke being that Tonto re-identifies with the natives, when surrounded by them.
So, the short-hand, smart-ass remark is typically, “Who is this “We,” Kemosabe’?”
Next for your edification: Puns from the era of Batman and Robin!!!
Japan mulling spending billions to increase American Natural Gas production and export, to replace Russian purchases:
asia.nikkei.com
“WASHINGTON/TOKYO -- Japan will consider providing financial support to boost production of liquefied natural gas in the U.S., Nikkei has learned, as it seeks to lessen its energy dependence on Russia following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.”
America First, biatches!!!
Japan considers financial support to boost U.S. LNG output
Tokyo and Washington to discuss cutting energy dependence on Russia
asia.nikkei.com
“WASHINGTON/TOKYO -- Japan will consider providing financial support to boost production of liquefied natural gas in the U.S., Nikkei has learned, as it seeks to lessen its energy dependence on Russia following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.”
America First, biatches!!!
His analyses are typically so iron-clad certain, yet based on numbers not readily available, I think he needs to slow down a tad and back his theories up with more detailed, quantitative information.
His presentations tend to heavily rebut any suggestion of American decline, as about everyone in the world is in a far worse demographic decline than is the US.
He don’t much like the Chicoms, as they’ve f@cked themselves into virtual geopolitical insignificance, moving forward. But, heck, with enemies like that, who needs friends?
Japan mulling spending billions to increase American Natural Gas production and export, to replace Russian purchases:
Japan considers financial support to boost U.S. LNG output
Tokyo and Washington to discuss cutting energy dependence on Russia
“WASHINGTON/TOKYO -- Japan will consider providing financial support to boost production of liquefied natural gas in the U.S., Nikkei has learned, as it seeks to lessen its energy dependence on Russia following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.”
America First, biatches!!!
Let’s see if our country wants to be energy reasonable or “green” before any celebration. I don’t accept that those two can readily be merged. Granholm is a politician, not an expert.
Follow the news. From a standing start in 2016, America’s LNG exports have now equaled Qatar and Australia’s.
“This year, once all three trains at Freeport LNG return to service, we forecast U.S. LNG exports to exceed 12 Bcf/d, and the United States will remain the world’s largest LNG exporter. We forecast that U.S. LNG exports will increase further, to approximately 14 Bcf/d, by December 2024 because some LNG export projects under construction are expected to start operations by then.”
This is from 9 export facilities all built since 2014, with another 16 approved for construction, and others planned.
Natural Gas is likely the cleanest mode we can pursue, worldwide, until solar and other means of power generation take hold, by mid-century.
Nuclear? Generally a good idea, but the Fukushima power plant disaster has Japan looking for American Natural Gas, and Europeans (sans France) have largely rejected Nuclear as an option.
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Read (the news) to see the artificial hoops some people create:
www.reuters.com
Biden admin works on 'green' natural gas as U.S. vies for top LNG spot
The Biden administration is holding talks with global energy companies and foreign officials in an effort to set standards for certified natural gas, a form of the fuel that producers market as climate friendly.
www.reuters.com
Natural gas burns more cleanly than does any fossil fuel.Read (the news) to see the artificial hoops some people create:
Biden admin works on 'green' natural gas as U.S. vies for top LNG spot
The Biden administration is holding talks with global energy companies and foreign officials in an effort to set standards for certified natural gas, a form of the fuel that producers market as climate friendly.
I’m glad Biden is selling our trillion dollar surplus of natural gas from the fracking boom to the world.
Even as we lead the world in the export of LNG, we are shipping only 10-15 percent of our national production.
And we can increase the production.
Natural gas is a clean burning fossil fuel. I wish that was the end of the conversation. Methane releases in fracking and drilling remain a battle line for “green” advocates.
True.
But the industry is addressing these issues along with liquid storage causing small earthquakes.
Hey, if a “Green” administration is pushing the export of LNG, the “Greens” can STFU!!!
Heck, all we’re doing is replacing Japan’s nuclear plants on earthquake prone islands and replacing Russian gas exports because the Russian’s are criminals. Maybe the Greens can tolerate those goals.
