The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Means nothing. They'd get slaughtered. But they have tons of artillery to level Seoul. And they'd 100% launch nukes at the West Coast, SK, and Japan if they get surrounded.
They do. If Putin was Hitler, he would've used them. Taking a city by force would flatten it either way.
I mentioned nk only because you used the standard of bad intentions. Nk has plenty bad intentions. Just no effective plan. China has both in spades.
LOL. Oh, you got me. You are so funny. I'm not a patriot like you who wants American kids to go die in eastern Europe to make rich people richer. You are such a good person.
I used to follow him but he missed so much stuff on this war that I stopped. He clearly has a blind spot when Russia comes up. He predicted Crimea would be encircled back in the fall that Russia would have over 100K troops encircled. Ukr never even broke the first line of defense in the south. Misses like that are just too big.
Admitting that you are OK with ukr men going to die by the thousands just to take some Rus with them... Doesn't make you the good guy... Ukr will be a failed state after this even if they win. They have lost an entire generation of men. They had 35 million pop before the war. Most experts say they have less than 20 million left in the country and most say they will never return regardless of outcome.
The US has over 800 bases in 80ish countries. We have toppled several government in just the last 20 years. It's time we live up to the words of John Adams, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. If you think the men were men to revere then revere their words about getting involved in foreign entanglements.
I had a buddy stationed there in the 90's. He was told that if war kicked off again that NK could kill over 1 million people with just artlllery in the first hour of the war.
Seoul is well within arty range. If NK strikes first they'd kill millions before we could take that out.
That is part of the reason Putin isn't going past Ukraine's eastern half. Too many former warsaw countries would get antsy if Poland got invaded and then Rus would have to worry about attacks from 3 sides.
Why in the world would Putin suddenly decide to invade Poland, after 25 years of not doing so, when Poland would likely wipe them out in a conventional war (assuming Poland doesn't have nukes themselves and I would NOT make that assumption), even without NATO assistance which would be inevitable, and which would ultimately require nuclear war? Exactly how does some ludicrous attack on Poland benefit Russia?
There are few comparisons imaginable that as are as laughable as to compare Putin and Hitler by the way. Utterly laughable. Putin is an unpleasant character, but far less unpleasant than any single USSR leader other than Gorbachev. Hitler was a genocidal manaic. Of course, neocons liked to also compare Saddam Hussein and anyone else they want to bomb to Hitler.
Plus... I don't think people realize how empty and big Russia actually is. They don't need land and they don't have the resources to man long hostile border. They are giving land away to people to settle in their eastern half because they are scared to death China will just move into it.
The two nations had already worked out a post cold war agreement that allowed Russian military forces to remain in certain key positions
Return to the Minsk Agreement - establish a forum and allow the UKR/RUS sides to isolate & update the Minsk Agmt for 2024
Consult/Confer with the NATO rep's and develop their immediate shut down & relocation of any previously deployed assets etc
There would need to be a reset within UKR though
Both sides agree that UKR will be divested of Foreign Mercenaries, Foreign Intelligence and Military - ensure that the damage done to Orthodox church organization or members - is made whole
Ukraine would be encouraged to establish new elections
Returning or not returning to the same arrangement regarding Russian military presence in UKR would be tricky
It would have to be established that the US and NATO forces became engaged later and have no tangible stake or claim within Ukr
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Glad to see Putin's puppet make it's return. That and Russian disinformation are the two favorites that everyone falls back to once their logic inevitably fails.
But how would politicians like their own pockets and the pockets of their supporters?
Just as you said, if we stopped our nonsense there would be peace. Russia already wanted to negotiate a few times but somehow that wasn't good enough. The west wants Russia to totally concede despite knowing they encroached numerous times on very clear boundaries.
But how would politicians like their own pockets and the pockets of their supporters?
Just as you said, if we stopped our nonsense there would be peace. Russia already wanted to negotiate a few times but somehow that wasn't good enough. The west wants Russia to totally concede despite knowing they encroached numerous times on very clear boundaries.
Yeah thats the big issue with NK. They could level Seoul with just artillery.I had a buddy stationed there in the 90's. He was told that if war kicked off again that NK could kill over 1 million people with just artlllery in the first hour of the war.
Seoul is well within arty range. If NK strikes first they'd kill millions before we could take that out.
US sending tons of stuff to Taiwan. They must really think China is coming.
This stuff but I've also heard rumors that we are sending 200 old f16's for Taiwan to upgrade.
This stuff but I've also heard rumors that we are sending 200 old f16's for Taiwan to upgrade.
Point taken, wildcat-fan
And we conveniently check off two more boxes of alignment with Mussolini's fascism
1) There will be a tier of elite cadre of experts and government reps that decide what is considered moral of immoral - rank & file citizens should not concern themselves with such decisions
2) War - Glory !!!! Snarrrlll - war is peace, citizen
3) Also. - corporations ascending into pseudo government roles and decisions - tech companies working for The State etc
Have a good night
Ge stubbornly optimistic tomorrow ANYWAY!
Pretty sure The PLA had an exercise going this weekend that saw higher unit counts deployed against Taiwan -- but at one point I believe Taiwan was literally surrounded?
Heres a link to this wK's CHICOM mobilization exercise-
China's Communist mouthpiece said this was "punishment" to Old-Formosa for having the unmitigated gall to elect the leader They-Damn-Well-Choose -
The PLA leadership says he's a troublemaker - so - they'll revisit this little Sino-Civics-Lesson again soon i
BBC Link
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Yea. I thought they were just using pressure but wouldn't go until aroun '35. Been hearing cia and nsa guys say '35 is the year China had penciled in for invasion. Maybe they just see Bidens weakness as too good to pass up.
And if the guys I heard saying that we sent 200 decommissioned f16's... They apparently are planning on it being lots of air to air but probably want to be able to bomb ships approaching the island. Dude said they were upgrading their own radar and targeting systems on the f16's we've been sending.
I should look at the sale of those F16s & see if we are actually sourcing "decommissioned" Fighting Falcons fm the Boneyard outside of Tucson, AZ
May take another week to deliver if so
Misawa AB , Japan used to have F16s
Kadena is on Okinawa and used to have F15s?
South Korea has additional AF Bases
Other regional allies that would hopefully support us against the Chinese-Live-Organ-Harvesters:
Australia - Thailand - Guam
After getting electronic warfare & surveillance units airborne , i would get the B52s @ Anderson on alert and make sure we have a nuclear option available with some B52s outfitted with ALCMs
Pssst - Navy, get in here
Have a hunch that a hot war over Taiwan may just trip & trigger N Korea into a the fray
May take another week to deliver if so
Misawa AB , Japan used to have F16s
Kadena is on Okinawa and used to have F15s?
South Korea has additional AF Bases
Other regional allies that would hopefully support us against the Chinese-Live-Organ-Harvesters:
Australia - Thailand - Guam
After getting electronic warfare & surveillance units airborne , i would get the B52s @ Anderson on alert and make sure we have a nuclear option available with some B52s outfitted with ALCMs
Pssst - Navy, get in here
Have a hunch that a hot war over Taiwan may just trip & trigger N Korea into a the fray
Surely our politicians wouldn't lie to us. Surely they aren't moving out a bunch of stuff so their contractor donors (where they probably sit on boards) make a ton of money.
I would have thought 200 would be too high for sending them recent decommissioned stuff. Is the stuff at the boneyard basically just drained of fluid and stripped of Electonics and then parked?
What worries me with China is drone swarms. With their manufacturing capabilities they could send 5000 drones per day at Taiwan and our ships and they could do that non stop for a year. They could basically just drain us and Taiwan of defenses without having to use a human.
Honestly - I had NO idea we still manufactured the F16 ?
And I can't believe I was swapping texts about this last night & didn't trip over that immediately
-- sheeit
PS : 10 wins in football this year
Ok - so Lockheed has that F16 production center in Greenville , SC
They've also opened two production centers for the F16 in Romania & Norway
The 80s fighter jet is also getting a new "Viper" package upgrade -
Defense Article
They've also opened two production centers for the F16 in Romania & Norway
The 80s fighter jet is also getting a new "Viper" package upgrade -
Defense Article
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Not aware of any posters stating the objective is to “protect democracy”. Anyone here say that?
Most folks minus geopolitical simpletons would agree keeping Russian imperialism in check without boots on the ground is in the best interests of the region.
Quick google of “Joe Biden Ukraine democracy”
Faced with a threat — (applause) — faced with a threat to the peace and stability of the world, to democratic values we hold dear, to freedom itself, we did what we always do: The United States stepped up. NATO stepped up. Our partners in Europe, in the In- — and then the Indo-Pacific stepped up. All across the world they stepped up.
There’s five pages of results if you search the word “democracy” in this thread, though I’ll acknowledge some of those are people mocking warhawks, like Biden, who’ve pretended this war is about protecting “democratic values” in Ukraine.
Faced with a threat — (applause) — faced with a threat to the peace and stability of the world, to democratic values we hold dear, to freedom itself, we did what we always do: The United States stepped up. NATO stepped up. Our partners in Europe, in the In- — and then the Indo-Pacific stepped up. All across the world they stepped up.
There’s five pages of results if you search the word “democracy” in this thread, though I’ll acknowledge some of those are people mocking warhawks, like Biden, who’ve pretended this war is about protecting “democratic values” in Ukraine.
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That old mummified fossil should save "democracy" by serving on the Ukrainian front lines. I'd pay to watch that.
NATO was engineered for the interests of the region. Now, though, non-NATO MEMBER Ukraine’s interests are our interests.
Haven’t you questioned this contradiction?
You don't know that unless you have Putin's direct line & you speak with each other. Admit that's possible for you.
It's not a contradiction. Interests don't require a formal agreement by both parties.
Feb 2024 -
“Washington’s aid to Ukraine, whose forces are firing more than 6,000 artillery rounds a day, includes munitions pulled from the Pentagon’s stock. But as many have noted, this draws down high-end munitions the U.S. would desperately need in a conflict with China. In such a war, the Center for Strategic and International Studies recently concluded, the U.S. would likely burn through its munitions within three weeks and would be unable to replenish those stocks for more than six months.”
“Washington’s aid to Ukraine, whose forces are firing more than 6,000 artillery rounds a day, includes munitions pulled from the Pentagon’s stock. But as many have noted, this draws down high-end munitions the U.S. would desperately need in a conflict with China. In such a war, the Center for Strategic and International Studies recently concluded, the U.S. would likely burn through its munitions within three weeks and would be unable to replenish those stocks for more than six months.”
