The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Quote from a retired officer’s opinion piece.
Here is another.
America Must Remedy Its Dangerous Lack of Munitions Planning
Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. has not bought and built enough munitions to keep pace with the military operations the President and Congress have tasked the Department of Defense (DOD) with conducting. In 2014, the U.S. discovered that it lacked enough precision-guided missiles to take...
www.heritage.org
To rebuild America's arsenal, rehabilitate the National Defense Stockpile—and prioritize critical munitions
Our munitions stockpiles and production capacity are not just inadequate; they are a glaring vulnerability.
www.defenseone.com
Quote from a retired officer’s opinion piece.
Here is another.
America Must Remedy Its Dangerous Lack of Munitions Planning
Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. has not bought and built enough munitions to keep pace with the military operations the President and Congress have tasked the Department of Defense (DOD) with conducting. In 2014, the U.S. discovered that it lacked enough precision-guided missiles to take...
I have no doubt someone said it. I'm just surprised at the number.
The Eastern European NATO countries that are sensitive to this after Soviet occupation would disagree with that assessment. Ironically, the Russian invasion has been instrumental in NATO’s enlargement minus some exceptions like Hungary, something Putin didn’t see coming and not an ideal consequence. Now, if they would just up their defense spending….
Sorry Olde. All signs show that Russia tried to avoid this going to hot war. Our State Dept and CIA thought they could just run all over Ukr and do what they wanted with military bases and training.... Turns out.... Putin wasn't lying about Ukr being a redline. Not that you have to like it, but it was absolutely known that Rus said this is exactly what they would do if we kept doing what we were doing.
Yep... People love to say we are just sending all our old stuff that is about to expire... But it's a hodge podge of both. It's why we were sending cluster munitions... we didn't have enough of standard shells. We still aren't producing Patriot missiles as fast as we are using them in Ukr and ME. Then you add in that only 25% to 50% of our fighter jets are available to fly on any given day.
To rebuild America's arsenal, rehabilitate the National Defense Stockpile—and prioritize critical munitions
Our munitions stockpiles and production capacity are not just inadequate; they are a glaring vulnerability.
Not that it wasn't going down before him but he sure did drive a nail in our production capability.
Experts are saying Russia is shooting 10000 per day. It was 6000 to 1000 last summer and thats why we were trying so hard to scrounge up anything we could to ship to UKR. It's also why drones were being used so heavily. They just didn't have the artillery to shoot at some targets.
It's literally that simple. Us and nato kept pushing the envelope till they hit the redline they were always told was the redline.
"All signs show" is as definitive as it gets, LOL.
And they keep attacking. No sign that they have a limited objective.
Easy to do really. Our battalion alone shot over 2000 in 2 days during the Gulf War. That was 24 Howitzers shooting 208lb projectiles.
I have no doubt about that. I'm just skeptical of it happening daily in this campaign.
Some munitions companies have been stockpiling ammo because it is not being bought so, there is still some in reserve. Not sure how much each has but there is some that has not been bought by the US government.
It would definitely burn through rounds quickly and there would have to be a steady stream of replacements which would require many secure logistics routes.
Saw a headline that said Putin is considering sending arms and munitions to enemies of the west. Fitting. I don't think they have the capacity to do that because their all in on self preservation, but I think the message is clever.
He'll have to get in line behind us because we do a good enough job at arming them ourselves.
The munitions industry in this country is, chiefly, antiquated and unable to keep up with the current demand. It’s almost like we still think it is 1960.
The worst thing he could possibly do would be to set up shop in Mexico and sponsor an invasion of foreign fighting age men.
But the US government is already doing that.
So he might as well just invest his money in bitcoin or something.
Look Who's Spreading Disinformation on Ukraine
'Black kettle' Tony Blinken' accused Russia of spreading propaganda to mislead the Americans and Europeans, while hiding US decision to escalate the
www.counterpunch.org
Most of that is due to the US buying much of its munitions from China and Russia in the past. It is also the reason that some of our companies have a lot stockpiled albeit old ammo. Probably cheaper in the past to buy from China and Russia but given things as they are today, that is not a reliable source going forward. There is a motion to start buying and using more US companies for ammo, but it will take some time. Our past and current governments have been negligent in keeping the US self-reliant on military supplies. Sound familiar?
No. Talking military preparedness - at least that's what I got from the post.
You missed the humor there.
True... I've heard that we have been buying similar shells from Africa and converting them to our shells... Not sure of specifics but it was suggested we needed the casings. I don't know that is the bottleneck for our production of shells but we are apparently paying top dollar for 70's era arty shells from all over the world.
Did you know that there have been 3 reported cases of muslim illegal immigrants trying to enter military bases or following military members home? .... Ft Bragg soldiers are saying this is more common than being reported. SF soldier confronted 2 Chechen illegals and police were called is why that one finally got reported, but do you honestly look at terror groups in the ME armed by Russia as super bad, yet our own government is letting unvetted muslims cross our border and we get crickets.
I heard one guy say that Obama shut down a couple of smelting plants due to environmental reasons but they were needed to produce bronze and led... Again... not sure on truth but the guy I watched was ripping off dates and EO's.
I don't know why you keep treating the border deal as a gotcha. Yeah, it's bad. We have money to support Ukraine and deal with the border.
Oh yea. It's the old... "we can walk and chew bubblegum"... Except we are 300 pound basement dwellers that haven't walked a step in 15 years... How about we walk 2 miles before we ever chew bubblegum again?????
You really want to go to ww3 with this same group in charge? they left US soldiers at Abby gate to die without a chain of command. You don't think they'd do it again out of sheer incompetence?
How many times since the 60’s has Russia sent fleets of warships to Cuba?
You can wish. An expensive industry with our government as its chief market. And, as industry hopefully automates to speed production, there will likely be less employees. Just contractors making taxpayer money and munitions. Maybe the mining industry benefits, but will that be U.S. mining? Then we give the munitions to Ukraine.
