That’s what happens when your entire life is politics. And you’re a moron. To them it’s democrats va republicans (good guys vs bad guys!!!) So simple minded.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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lol ok. Says the guy who just this morning was ranting about me wanting Trump elected to be a strong arm dictator like Putin to usher in an autocracy and provide stability to this country, though I’ve conveyed the exact opposite repeatedly.
Really? Many? Far change from the early leaked US government paper that said Russia would win. I have seen the “top US General tells Ukraine it cannot win” headline and I saw where one ex-general predicted Ukraine victory in … 2023. lol
The New Yorker just wrote, “Most military analysts believe that, in the coming year, even if U.S. aid finally comes through, Russia has the advantage” and “[m]ilitary analysts are, however, a little hard-pressed to describe an actual military victory for Ukraine.” Time to slam the New Yorker as a Fox wannabe.
When will we start to see the proof of your claim?
Do you guys have anything but strawmen?
Yes, there absolutely is a right vs left component in this country on many issues. But this war you all support is 100% Washington, republicans and democrats, vs America.
Mitch Mcconnell, Lindsay Graham, et al are some of the worst. The Republican establishment is no different than democrats in this instance.
Edit: the Rs and D’s really are no different on most issues at this point, save for fringe topics like being able to define a woman in public, etc.
Well, Trumpsters whom condemn me & my ilk that feel Trump is a pox get labeled as liberals, and apparently worse, as rinos, by them because they mistakenly think we'll vote for a Dim candidate. So misguided they are.
I honestly sometimes think you’re actually Mitch McConnell, but I don’t think he’d know how to log onto a computer. I don’t think you’ll vote dem, but I don’t think it matters.
Lol once again, hard for Ukraine to win when political infighting in the house prevents aid to get to them. They have no F-16s still, the tanks they begged for arrived months late, same for a multitude of systems.
“Ukraine needs to prepare for a long war,” Olga Oliker, a former rand analyst and Pentagon staffer who is now the head of the Europe and Central Asia program at the International Crisis Group, told me. Oliker believes that a long war could be won, but it may not look like the victory some maximalists have been promising. “You have to create the space for Ukraine to claim victory under less-than-ideal conditions,” she said. “Because, if you say the only thing that is victory is the Russians go home entirely from Crimea and Donbas, Ukraine is in nato, and Moscow somehow disappears off the face of the earth—that’s an unrealistic goal. To me, Ukrainian victory is a situation in which Russia can’t do this again or at least is going to have a very hard time doing it again.”
“There’s a certain amount of instability that’s built into the Russian system that the Russians worry about,” Oliker said. “At some point, if they’re worried enough, they might be willing to negotiate.”
A senior Biden Administration official who has helped develop sanctions against Russia expounded on this theory. He said that, for some time, the Administration’s view has been that Russia can continue its current level of war expenditures into the spring of 2025, at which point it will run into trouble. He pointed to the freezing of Russian assets abroad, the running down of its hard-currency reserves, and the increasingly complex supply lines that Russia needs to evade Western sanctions. “It’s like a top that’s slowing down,” the official said. “They’re going to have to start making harder and harder choices, faster and faster, as we get into 2025. That’s a far cry from whatever Putin’s aim was in this war—which was, you know, reinstating Catherine the Great’s empire or something.”
He estimated that, with the help of Western air-defense systems, Ukrainian forces could shoot down as many as ninety per cent of Russian air-attack assets. “Without it, that number will be zero soon.”
From their point of view, they will feel that they have won a proxy war with nato. And they’re going to be angry, they’re going to want revenge, and now they think we’re weaker than we are. That’s a dangerous situation.”
I honestly sometimes think you're Eric Trump.
There’s no Putin wing of the GOP. I get that this is hard to let go of, seeing as it’s powerful narrative founded in a debunked lie. We saw even this week that Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats are trotting it out, again.
I have to ask you: how can you repeat a known lie and consider yourself a free thinker?
As for Putin: he is a FAR lesser threat to our country than what is going on IN OUR OWN country. Imagine how ludicrous that would sound at any point in the Cold War, and yet is our reality now.
And that reality was created by the same people that want you to believe Putin is a threat to you.
You and some others here are not able to surrender your pride enough to admit you’ve embraced lies.
The generals in Flanders and Vietnam sang a similar tune.
Ukraine is not restoring their former borders. It’s time to accept it and figure out what comes next, without further bankrupting ourselves.
An example is Len Blavatnik, a dual U.S.-U.K. citizen and one of the largest donors to GOP political action committees in the 2015-16 election cycle. Blavatnik's family emigrated to the U.S. in the late '70s from the U.S.S.R. and he returned to Russia when the Soviet Union began to collapse in the late '80s.
Data from the Federal Election Commission show that Blavatnik's campaign contributions dating back to 2009-10 were fairly balanced across party lines and relatively modest for a billionaire. During that season he contributed $53,400. His contributions increased to $135,552 in 2011-12 and to $273,600 in 2013-14, still bipartisan.
In 2015-16, everything changed. Blavatnik's political contributions soared and made a hard right turn as he pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders including Sens. Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.
In 2017, donations continued, with $41,000 going to both Republican and Democrat candidates, along with $1 million to McConnell's Senate Leadership Fund.
The war the US won millitarily but lost the public war at home? Nice comparison.
Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham, two of the biggest warhawks in Congress pushing for Ukraine funding, one of which has said Ukraine funding is one of the most important things the US congress has on its agenda, are the Russian wing of the GOP?
Well then I guess I’m on the right side standing in opposition to the Russian wing of the GOP that’s pushing for more Ukraine funding.
Sadly, unserious requests do not generate a response. So, you'll have to figure this one out yourself.
Completely hyperbolic statement in your first sentence. As to your second, I think it's rather incumbent upon those, such as yourself, demanding that Ukraine immediately sue for peace, to explain how that creates anything resembling a stable framework for security in the region and how it would not have negative reverberations globally. Also, explain how foisting a completely unfavorable settlement at an inopportune time with Ukraine currently on the back foot would not be a geopolitical "own goal."
Anyway, I'm no fan of Biden and his administration, including the way they've gone about giving Ukraine aid. I think aid should have been much more front-loaded, and the U.S., together with Europe and other partners, could have been much more creative in financing (e.g., using some portion of seized Russian assets to pay for things) that frankly could have forestalled the current funding dispute.
Can somebody please explain to me again why Ukraine is of strategic importance to the US? Keep in mind it has never been in the past. Roosevelt let Stalin starve Ukraine back in the 30's. What's different now?
EDIT: and don't float some "Putin in 2024 = Hitler in 1938" or "it's good for our economy" bullshit.
EDIT: and don't float some "Putin in 2024 = Hitler in 1938" or "it's good for our economy" bullshit.
The only sea Ukraine is on is the Black Sea, which, according to Google Maps, Russia is on as well.
The MAGA wing is very pro-putin. That's the Putin wing of the GOP. Not all republicans are MAGA infested q-anons.
Makes the US and Nato look weak to non-western countries. Like Iran, North Korea, etc. Emboldens china to move on Taiwan. North Korea could start a war with South Korea if they see the west is all bark, no bite. Very small minded view point here.
No, the left thinks Putin is the reason Trump won because a few Russian troll farms put out some memes on social media. And now they're willing to risk WWIII because they're still butt hurt about it. I can't imagine being that dumb. What's it like Richie? Do you know you're dumb? Or do you not know and just go through life being confused and silly?
It’s shit like this you guys just pull out of your ass.
You claim there’s a GOP wing of the Republican Party.
You get called on it.
You say McConnell and Graham are taking millions in Russian money.
I point out McConnell and Graham are two of the biggest Ukraine first members of congress which makes your claim and support idiotic.
Now you’re back to just claiming a different wing of the Republican Party is pro Putin with no evidence.
You people just make this shit up as you go to fit the narrative.
And yet, Trump still won’t say Putin is a bad man for murdering Navalny. LOL
Trump may have to negotiate with Putin in a year. Calling him evil doesn't work. He did the exact same thing with North Korea.
I'm not on the left. Libertarian or Jeffersonian if I had to choose a affiliation. I'm just not a MAGA idiot. You still see everything through right vs left. Party before country. Just like Putin and his troll farms want.
I read he said it was a horrible thing.
Did Putin actually murder him? Or is a death that results from political persecution, regardless of the actual cause, a murder attributable to the head of the party in power. Just want to make sure I have the facts and definitions straight.
lol that’s your response while bitching about a political prisoner dying while locked up for political reasons?
Oh, my god. Do you actually think of Putin as the “head of a party?” One that keeps “winning” elections to keep him in power?
Yes. He also thinks the US government is going over to Ukraine and giving everyone free 100 dollar bills. He also thinks Zelensky is using his US aid money to build mansions and spa's. Because Libs of Tiktok on twitter, said so.
Do dumb people really think Putin is going to take over Europe if we don't send a billion kajillion dollars to Ukraine? And we are handing out stacks of cash. We are literally funding their media, infrastructure, police, and institutions.
Such a good man. He would have been a great president. I think he would have stopped the polarization of America.
