The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[Nightwish84]

Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

Wanna know what grinds my online gears? The same folks who proudly tell you they're Patriots are the same folks who choose to paint insurrectionists as victims, choose to listen to Tucker Carlson, who since the start of this, chooses to puppet Russian propaganda (Russian media in turn uses Carlson clips as an example of a US media outlet siding with Putin), choose to paint Ukraine citizens as Nazis, and choose to follow a man who wants to become President again who chooses to seemingly side with Putin on every issue while never missing a moment to bash American allies or the US govt. Anyone want to explain this to me? How did some get to the point where they'd rather side with a man who stands with Putin and Jong Un on world issues and not our allies? (I know btw) The reason Trump said he could end this war asap is because he'd stop all support of Ukraine, publicly bash Zelenskyy while propping up and siding with Putin on the worldwide stage, and demand Ukraine stand down and give up. The exact same posters who litter the political thread with angry takes about how DeMoNcRaTs are the real enemy and should be brought up on charges of treason are some of the same posters here choosing to side with Carlson, Trump, and Putin. Keep talking them up but outside of a few threads online and some comment sections, Carlson is seen as a joke who was fired by Fox, Trump as a loser who whines about a previous election and says bizarre things and makes empty threats, and Putin as a war criminal thug.

Congratulations guys. While some here paint the other side as being brainwashed, your brains have been washed just as badly, if not worse at times. I'm sure somewhere online there's a patriotic maga site selling Trump/Putin 2024 bumper stickers.

 

[RunninRichie]

Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

Wanna know what grinds my online gears? The same folks who proudly tell you they're Patriots are the same folks who choose to paint insurrectionists as victims, choose to listen to Tucker Carlson, who since the start of this, chooses to puppet Russian propaganda (Russian media in turn uses Carlson clips as an example of a US media outlet siding with Putin), choose to paint Ukraine citizens as Nazis, and choose to follow a man who wants to become President again who chooses to seemingly side with Putin on every issue while never missing a moment to bash American allies or the US govt. Anyone want to explain this to me? How did some get to the point where they'd rather side with a man who stands with Putin and Jong Un on world issues and not our allies? (I know btw) The reason Trump said he could end this war asap is because he'd stop all support of Ukraine, publicly bash Zelenskyy while propping up and siding with Putin on the worldwide stage, and demand Ukraine stand down and give up. The exact same posters who litter the political thread with angry takes about how DeMoNcRaTs are the real enemy and should be brought up on charges of treason are some of the same posters here choosing to side with Carlson, Trump, and Putin. Keep talking them up but outside of a few threads online and some comment sections, Carlson is seen as a joke who was fired by Fox, Trump as a loser who whines about a previous election and says bizarre things and makes empty threats, and Putin as a war criminal thug.

Congratulations guys. While some here paint the other side as being brainwashed, your brains have been washed just as badly, if not worse at times. I'm sure somewhere online there's a patriotic maga site selling Trump/Putin 2024 bumper stickers.

To them the other political party is worse than Russia or China. They’re so wrapped up in internal politic. That their loyalty to their country has morphed into loyalty to their party.

 

[Mash 2.4]

Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

Wanna know what grinds my online gears? The same folks who proudly tell you they're Patriots are the same folks who choose to paint insurrectionists as victims, choose to listen to Tucker Carlson, who since the start of this, chooses to puppet Russian propaganda (Russian media in turn uses Carlson clips as an example of a US media outlet siding with Putin), choose to paint Ukraine citizens as Nazis, and choose to follow a man who wants to become President again who chooses to seemingly side with Putin on every issue while never missing a moment to bash American allies or the US govt. Anyone want to explain this to me? How did some get to the point where they'd rather side with a man who stands with Putin and Jong Un on world issues and not our allies? (I know btw) The reason Trump said he could end this war asap is because he'd stop all support of Ukraine, publicly bash Zelenskyy while propping up and siding with Putin on the worldwide stage, and demand Ukraine stand down and give up. The exact same posters who litter the political thread with angry takes about how DeMoNcRaTs are the real enemy and should be brought up on charges of treason are some of the same posters here choosing to side with Carlson, Trump, and Putin. Keep talking them up but outside of a few threads online and some comment sections, Carlson is seen as a joke who was fired by Fox, Trump as a loser who whines about a previous election and says bizarre things and makes empty threats, and Putin as a war criminal thug.

Congratulations guys. While some here paint the other side as being brainwashed, your brains have been washed just as badly, if not worse at times. I'm sure somewhere online there's a patriotic maga site selling Trump/Putin 2024 bumper stickers.

What is the point of an alliance when members of said alliance don’t contribute their fair share? Are they not as concerned by invasion as we seem to be? Why is that when they are seemingly much more in peril?

 

[SDC888]

Just plain dumb. None of us think he's taking over Europe. Though he would certainly take over some other defenseless small countries. Europe is in NATO. Putin isn't screwing with NATO. We've tried to tell your arrogant ass this for 2 years but you actually think you have a finger on the pulse. You're still a

I never said Putin would attack NATO. You weren't trying to explain anything to me; i said fro mthe start "Putler" had no designs on Europe, that the very notino was completely absurd on its face.

It was "your" argument. That if we don't stop him now, Ukraine would be the first domino to fall on his way to restructuring the former Soviet Union, parts of which are in NATO.

But good to see the thread is right where I left it with its primary attribute of stupid chiildish insults; useless strawman arguments and insults are all you people ever had. THe pro-war argument has always been what it was, completely incoherent, self-serving, ignorant and myopic, and now more and more Americans are starting to wake up to that reality.

 

[Nightwish84]

What is the point of an alliance when members of said alliance don’t contribute their fair share? Are they not as concerned by invasion as we seem to be? Why is that when they are seemingly much more in peril?

A responsible leader doesn't shame and threaten his countries' allies, in public no less. A responsible leader doesn't side with or talk up Putin in an invasion he created. A responsible leader doesn't say in public for the world to hear that if his countries' allies won't step up, he'll encourage Putin to do whatever he wants to NATO and its allies. Some here warn of WWIII because Biden is POTUS (and he's abysmal) but does the nominee on the other side making threats and encouraging Putin to do whatever he likes to our allies make you feel comfortable? This isn't an either/or. You can hate Biden and also hate Putin. You can like some of Carlson's takes but also hate Trump (it's proven Tucker himself hates Trump and wishes he'd go away). You can hate US media but also hate Putin. Along the way for some here, it became love Carlson, Trump, and talk up Putin as if to defend him and hate Biden, US media, Democrates, our govt., our allies, NATO, Mexico, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy. Notice a trend there? Since 2015, Trump has taught his followers to distrust and hate hate hate more than anything else. It's why the political thread went from a normal right leaning thread to a paranoid thread of empty threats and childishness.

No one here likes this war but I am not going to support and defend the likes of Putin along the way. I'm not going to act like conservatives are awful people who should be brought up on charges of treason. I'm not going to blindly support hating every branch of our govt. while supporting a man who supports Putin and Jong Un. One last thing - some here will continue to blame stolen votes and fraud if Trump were to lose again. If he loses, it will be because of the nutty shit he says that makes people think twice. He glows about Putin and Jong Un. He tears down our allies. He said he'd like to be a dictator while POTUS for a day. Now he says he'll encourage Putin to go after NATO and its allies (our allies). And you think people are going to flock back to that? If he'd shut up and just act like a normal human being, he'd coast to victory. But he won't and he can't.

 

[Mash 2.4]

A responsible leader doesn't shame and threaten his countries' allies, in public no less. A responsible leader doesn't side with or talk up Putin in an invasion he created. A responsible leader doesn't say in public for the world to hear that if his countries' allies won't step up, he'll encourage Putin to do whatever he wants to NATO and its allies. Some here warn of WWIII because Biden is POTUS (and he's abysmal) but does the nominee on the other side making threats and encouraging Putin to do whatever he likes to our allies make you feel comfortable? This isn't an either/or. You can hate Biden and also hate Putin. You can like some of Carlson's takes but also hate Trump (it's proven Tucker himself hates Trump and wishes he'd go away). You can hate US media but also hate Putin. Along the way for some here, it became love Carlson, Trump, and talk up Putin as if to defend him and hate Biden, US media, Democrates, our govt., our allies, NATO, Mexico, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy. Notice a trend there? Since 2015, Trump has taught his followers to distrust and hate hate hate more than anything else. It's why the political thread went from a normal right leaning thread to a paranoid thread of empty threats and childishness.

No one here likes this war but I am not going to support and defend the likes of Putin along the way. I'm not going to act like conservatives are awful people who should be brought up on charges of treason. I'm not going to blindly support hating every branch of our govt. while supporting a man who supports Putin and Jong Un. One last thing - some here will continue to blame stolen votes and fraud if Trump were to lose again. If he loses, it will be because of the nutty shit he says that makes people think twice. He glows about Putin and Jong Un. He tears down our allies. He said he'd like to be a dictator while POTUS for a day. Now he says he'll encourage Putin to go after NATO and its allies (our allies). And you think people are going to flock back to that? If he'd shut up and just act like a normal human being, he'd coast to victory. But he won't and he can't.

I don’t agree with his statement or the wording he used. I do believe some Nato members have skated along allowing others to bear the majority of the financial burden and should be pushed to do their fair share when they in fact are the ones most at risk. I’m not going to get into the non nato stuff here.

 

[bcw1029]

Mardan admits Russians are evil and cruel

Just a nation that wants peace. All good.

 

[SDC888]

 

[JumperJack]

You have to understand. Democrats are worse than tyranny, war, and genocide. Putin is a good guy who will finally stop the woke SJWs with his manly Russian soldiers. He will protect my children from evil LGBTQIA2+ people who want to turn them into gay femboys and also Hunter Biden and also Hillary Clinton and the Muslim terrorists and the immigrants, don’t get me started on them…Putin might have said he wants to nuke America, but that was just a harmless little joke (hope he nukes California and New York though, as a true red blooded American patriot I naturally wish death upon millions of my fellow citizens because they don’t like the same presidential candidate that I like).

You inability to separate your political views from geopolitical reality is hard to watch.

Going into year 3 of this and you can’t give one coherent reason why we must pay for this war.

While drugs and criminals flood our country, while schools and hospitals and cities are overrun with criminals, you support continuing a war that has no strategic meaning to us. That support provides cover for our leaders to throw good money after bad, many billions.

Those are facts.

 

[JumperJack]

Just plain dumb. None of us think he's taking over Europe. Though he would certainly take over some other defenseless small countries. Europe is in NATO. Putin isn't screwing with NATO. We've tried to tell your arrogant ass this for 2 years but you actually think you have a finger on the pulse. You're still a

You’re not being honest. The whole reason given for propping up Ukraine was so that Russia wouldn’t “take over Europe”. It was stated all through these threads and in the MSM. Hell, several posts above this one is a guy comparing Putin to Hitler!

WE told YOU at the very beginning that this was a local war that was a Slavic issue and that the existence of NATO almost guaranteed that it would remain so.

I can’t believe this level of dishonesty.

 

[vhcat70]

Just a nation that wants peace. All good.

Tucker all-in.

 

[vhcat70]

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Which would have still left Russia with parts so eastern Ukraine & Ukraine a Russia puppet state. Great offer.

 

[vhcat70]

You inability to separate your political views from geopolitical reality is hard to watch.

Going into year 3 of this and you can’t give one coherent reason why we must pay for this war.

While drugs and criminals flood our country, while schools and hospitals and cities are overrun with criminals, you support continuing a war that has no strategic meaning to us. That support provides cover for our leaders to throw good money after bad, many billions.

Those are facts.

Then let's just bring all our troops home & scrap our Navy. Let the Russia-Iran/Hamas-China axis reign supreme. What a world your children would live in.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

What are Putins demands for peace?

Why do you not know?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Haha. Still calling people who don't agree with your Russian dicksucking a woke liberal (I'm not a liberal or woke). Never change, magatards.

Seems I struck your fourth grade nerve. I can understand why you might want to act like a baby. You have aligned yourself with woke war loving Hitler obsessed people.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Wow, and here comes the Trump comments!!!! 🤣

It was not hard to guess that Trump would be pulled into a thread about a war that started well after he left office. 🤦‍♂️

When things don’t go well for your side, make it about Trump.

Oh, and don’t listen to Tucker, just Joe Scarborough. 😆

 

[SDC888]

I can’t believe this level of dishonesty.

Completely ridiculous. Like we didn't just live through this, like we weren't just there.

Wow, and here comes the Trump comments!!!! 🤣

It was not hard to guess that Trump would be pulled into a thread about a war that started well after he left office. 🤦‍♂️

When things don’t go well for your side, make it about Trump.

Which is something else too, the media created Trump hoax du jour. Really something else... how easily people are played by the media, issue by issue, the herding of the sheep. Yeah you're right, it's the conservatives who are politicizing this. Like Covid, eh? Nonsense. This shouldn't be political at all: indeed every American should be against funding this useless proxy war in perpetuity which has accomplished nothing but death and will continue to accomplish nothing else. Really something else, the audacity of our "leaders" and media; pedo pete even has the gall to put out this even more ridiculous snippet criticizing shrinkflation on SuperBowl Sunday as if his, and their, collective incompetence isn't directly responsible. It's all so ridiculous.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Why do you not know?

I do know but your naive position makes me think you don't. So, what are his demands? He's stated them repeatedly.

 

[RunninRichie]

You inability to separate your political views from geopolitical reality is hard to watch.

Going into year 3 of this and you can’t give one coherent reason why we must pay for this war.

While drugs and criminals flood our country, while schools and hospitals and cities are overrun with criminals, you support continuing a war that has no strategic meaning to us. That support provides cover for our leaders to throw good money after bad, many billions.

Those are facts.

Bro, I lean right. I’m just not far right like you and your maga buddies.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I do know but your naive position makes me think you don't. So, what are his demands? He's stated them repeatedly.

What a sad sap response. If you want war, just say so. But, quit acting like a resolution never attempted means no resolution is possible. This gamesmanship is sickening.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Bro, I lean right. I’m just not far right like you and your maga buddies.

Any conservative who disagrees with you is MAGA or Hitler. You are just like your woke war loving friends.

 

[RunninRichie]

Any conservative who disagrees with you is MAGA or Hitler. You are just like your woke war loving friends.

Lol what? There you go again. The point of the Carlson memes is to show how stupid you are for defending russia. Imagine Carlson going to Germany in 1939. Or Carlson going to Japan in 1937. Putin invaded a country to get the old USSR back together. You're defending russia for what? You've bitten so far into the russian propraganda its hilarious. You guys were on the old thread talking about ''US BIOLABS IN UKRAINE''. A planted russia story...and you bit it. Yet you want to call others brainwashed. You also believe Putin's word in the interview. He's directly trying to influence you. To vote for his bought out GOP party. And if they don't walk lockstep with your agenda they're ''woke''. Lol get a grip please. Imagine if Reagan saw what the party turned into. And he was selling crack to his own country to fund CIA backed anti-communist operations. That's how much he hated Russia. Putin can end the war anytime. All he has to do is pull his troops from Ukraine. But he won't do that. Because he wants the old USSR back together (did you even watch your brave hero Carlson's interview)? and a warm port for his navy. You think Russia is going to keep their word on treaties? You know how many they've broke? The GOP has been infiltrated by Russia for a good part of 30 years (And to a lesser extent the democratic party). You people are doing Putin's bidding. Lol talking about ''Russia isn't our enemy''. While they've been conspiring against us for 25 years. It's hilarious. But it shows good Russian psychological warfare is.

How Republicans Spent Decades Cozying Up to Putin’s Kremlin

The man who once worked to connect Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff to Russia is now chief of staff to Marjorie Taylor Greene. Any questions?

newrepublic.com

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Lol what? There you go again. The point of the Carlson memes is to show how stupid you are for defending russia. Imagine Carlson going to Germany in 1939. Or Carlson going to Japan in 1937. Putin invaded a country to get the old USSR back together. You're defending russia for what? You've bitten so far into the russian propraganda its hilarious. You guys were on the old thread talking about ''US BIOLABS IN UKRAINE''. A planted russia story...and you bit it. Yet you want to call others brainwashed. You also believe Putin's word in the interview. He's directly trying to influence you. To vote for his bought out GOP party. And if they don't walk lockstep with your agenda they're ''woke''. Lol get a grip please. Imagine if Reagan saw what the party turned into. And he was selling crack to his own country to fund CIA backed anti-communist operations. That's how much he hated Russia. Putin can end the war anytime. All he has to do is pull his troops from Ukraine. But he won't do that. Because he wants the old USSR back together (did you even watch your brave hero Carlson's interview)? and a warm port for his navy. You think Russia is going to keep their word on treaties? You know how many they've broke? The GOP has been infiltrated by Russia for a good part of 30 years (And to a lesser extent the democratic party). You people are doing Putin's bidding. Lol talking about ''Russia isn't our enemy''. While they've been conspiring against us for 25 years. It's hilarious. But it shows good Russian psychological warfare is.

How Republicans Spent Decades Cozying Up to Putin’s Kremlin

The man who once worked to connect Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff to Russia is now chief of staff to Marjorie Taylor Greene. Any questions?

newrepublic.com

Can’t get past your first idiotic point. No one is defending Russia, you rube.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

What a sad sap response. If you want war, just say so. But, quit acting like a resolution never attempted means no resolution is possible. This gamesmanship is sickening.

Still refuse a simple request huh? I understand.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Still refuse a simple request huh? I understand.

No. It is clear you don’t. And, you keep reinforcing that fact.

 

[hmt5000]

What are Putins demands for peace?

Denazi, miltiary neutral, no Nato bases or missiles on Rus border, Minsk accords followed... which has changed to independence for the east of Ukraine after they had that vote.

 

[hmt5000]

Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

Wanna know what grinds my online gears? The same folks who proudly tell you they're Patriots are the same folks who choose to paint insurrectionists as victims, choose to listen to Tucker Carlson, who since the start of this, chooses to puppet Russian propaganda (Russian media in turn uses Carlson clips as an example of a US media outlet siding with Putin), choose to paint Ukraine citizens as Nazis, and choose to follow a man who wants to become President again who chooses to seemingly side with Putin on every issue while never missing a moment to bash American allies or the US govt. Anyone want to explain this to me? How did some get to the point where they'd rather side with a man who stands with Putin and Jong Un on world issues and not our allies? (I know btw) The reason Trump said he could end this war asap is because he'd stop all support of Ukraine, publicly bash Zelenskyy while propping up and siding with Putin on the worldwide stage, and demand Ukraine stand down and give up. The exact same posters who litter the political thread with angry takes about how DeMoNcRaTs are the real enemy and should be brought up on charges of treason are some of the same posters here choosing to side with Carlson, Trump, and Putin. Keep talking them up but outside of a few threads online and some comment sections, Carlson is seen as a joke who was fired by Fox, Trump as a loser who whines about a previous election and says bizarre things and makes empty threats, and Putin as a war criminal thug.

Congratulations guys. While some here paint the other side as being brainwashed, your brains have been washed just as badly, if not worse at times. I'm sure somewhere online there's a patriotic maga site selling Trump/Putin 2024 bumper stickers.

You are so uninformed on every single issue you post on. I'll bet you googled that to try to find a gotcha headline. I'll bet you didn't actually read the article because Trump never said that. That was some douchebags interpretation of what he said. Nato members don't pay what they agreed to pay. He warned them we were paying for almost all of their defense. You are OK with that because you literally have the knowledge of a HS sophmore.

 

[hmt5000]

A responsible leader doesn't shame and threaten his countries' allies, in public no less. A responsible leader doesn't side with or talk up Putin in an invasion he created. A responsible leader doesn't say in public for the world to hear that if his countries' allies won't step up, he'll encourage Putin to do whatever he wants to NATO and its allies. Some here warn of WWIII because Biden is POTUS (and he's abysmal) but does the nominee on the other side making threats and encouraging Putin to do whatever he likes to our allies make you feel comfortable? This isn't an either/or. You can hate Biden and also hate Putin. You can like some of Carlson's takes but also hate Trump (it's proven Tucker himself hates Trump and wishes he'd go away). You can hate US media but also hate Putin. Along the way for some here, it became love Carlson, Trump, and talk up Putin as if to defend him and hate Biden, US media, Democrates, our govt., our allies, NATO, Mexico, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy. Notice a trend there? Since 2015, Trump has taught his followers to distrust and hate hate hate more than anything else. It's why the political thread went from a normal right leaning thread to a paranoid thread of empty threats and childishness.

No one here likes this war but I am not going to support and defend the likes of Putin along the way. I'm not going to act like conservatives are awful people who should be brought up on charges of treason. I'm not going to blindly support hating every branch of our govt. while supporting a man who supports Putin and Jong Un. One last thing - some here will continue to blame stolen votes and fraud if Trump were to lose again. If he loses, it will be because of the nutty shit he says that makes people think twice. He glows about Putin and Jong Un. He tears down our allies. He said he'd like to be a dictator while POTUS for a day. Now he says he'll encourage Putin to go after NATO and its allies (our allies). And you think people are going to flock back to that? If he'd shut up and just act like a normal human being, he'd coast to victory. But he won't and he can't.

No? Do they threaten their fellow countrymen for a difference of opinion? Do throw people in jail for having a different political opinion? It's wild that you so easily shit on your own citizens but have absolutely no limit on your support for Ukraine.... who isn't an ally, has never been an ally and is currently having a nazi renaissance. Par for the course for you though. Just read the headline and pretend you know more than anyone. LOL.

 

[hmt5000]

lol all these people are the same. Far right extremists are something else..

Far right... That's what Ukraine is full of. This is why this is so nutty. You claim to hate the far right yet your hate for Russia makes you support a true far right nation and pretend they aren't. There are more nazi's in Ukraine, a nation of 35 million, than there are in the US, a nation of 370 million.

 

[RunninRichie]

Far right... That's what Ukraine is full of. This is why this is so nutty. You claim to hate the far right yet your hate for Russia makes you support a true far right nation and pretend they aren't. There are more nazi's in Ukraine, a nation of 35 million, than there are in the US, a nation of 370 million.

“Ukraine has a far right like most countries of the world have,” Umland told us. “But their organizational strength and electoral support are smaller than in many other European countries, and in Russia.”

Benjamin Nathans, who teaches and writes about imperial Russia and the Soviet Union, modern European Jewish history, and the history of human rights at the University of Pennsylvania, agrees.

“Ukraine has a small, right-wing nationalist contingent like many countries, including France, Germany, the USA, and — not least — Russia,” Nathans told us via email. “Neo-Nazi elements are not present in Zelensky’s government to the best of my knowledge. In my professional view, the alleged threat of neo-Nazism in Ukraine and genocide against ethnic Russians there (Putin used to mention Ukrainian Jews, but he dropped that line after a Jew was elected president), is simply propaganda.”

“It’s just a made-up story,” Tabarovsky said. “It’s not why he went into the Ukraine. Putin needs to justify the war for his people.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

 

[hmt5000]

Also, do people not realize how few people live in Russia compared to their landmass? Why do you think they are trying to add territory out of expansionist dreams when they have millions of acres with no people at all? They have huge oil and gas reserves they can't even tap because they are too far from any infrastructure.

You people are so worried about Russia propaganda but eat up cia propaganda like cake and will gladly send more Americans to die, you won't go mind you... You'll just gladly send someone else to die for you.

 

[hmt5000]

“Ukraine has a far right like most countries of the world have,” Umland told us. “But their organizational strength and electoral support are smaller than in many other European countries, and in Russia.”

Benjamin Nathans, who teaches and writes about imperial Russia and the Soviet Union, modern European Jewish history, and the history of human rights at the University of Pennsylvania, agrees.

“Ukraine has a small, right-wing nationalist contingent like many countries, including France, Germany, the USA, and — not least — Russia,” Nathans told us via email. “Neo-Nazi elements are not present in Zelensky’s government to the best of my knowledge. In my professional view, the alleged threat of neo-Nazism in Ukraine and genocide against ethnic Russians there (Putin used to mention Ukrainian Jews, but he dropped that line after a Jew was elected president), is simply propaganda.”

“It’s just a made-up story,” Tabarovsky said. “It’s not why he went into the Ukraine. Putin needs to justify the war for his people.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

Dude... We saw the Azov groups and the tatoos and marches. It's not a small problem. Zelensky was voted in to stop the war in the Donbas being ran by militia groups. He was supposed to stop it. They threatened him and he caved to them and just let them go. Your "small problem" killed 14000 people in Eastern Ukraine for sin of speaking Russian and not wanting to european.

 

[RunninRichie]

Also, do people not realize how few people live in Russia compared to their landmass? Why do you think they are trying to add territory out of expansionist dreams when they have millions of acres with no people at all? They have huge oil and gas reserves they can't even tap because they are too far from any infrastructure.

You people are so worried about Russia propaganda but eat up cia propaganda like cake and will gladly send more Americans to die, you won't go mind you... You'll just gladly send someone else to die for you.

Because Putin sees himself as a Tsar. Ideally the people in those countries that Russia invades and takes over. Won't be Polish, Ukrainian, Moldovan, etc they'll just be Russians. No need to build infastructure etc etc when you can just steal what is existing. Lol, you think us appeasing Putin is gonna prevent some world war. But letting him run rampant and take Ukraine. Will show him the west is weak and he'll start taking over the baltics, poland, any former USSR sphere country. But go on and tell us more about those Russian Bio labs in ukraine. Lol....

 

[RunninRichie]

Dude... We saw the Azov groups and the tatoos and marches. It's not a small problem. Zelensky was voted in to stop the war in the Donbas being ran by militia groups. He was supposed to stop it. They threatened him and he caved to them and just let them go. Your "small problem" killed 14000 people in Eastern Ukraine for sin of speaking Russian and not wanting to european.

I see you didn't read the article.
The Azov battalion, which has about 1,000 members, represents a small minority of the overall Ukrainian military. As the BBC reported, the Ukrainian armed forces number some 250,000, and the National Guard — of which Azov is a part — has around 50,000 members.

And some say the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi leanings of the Azov regiment have become less prevalent. In 2015, a spokesman for the Azov brigade told USA Today that 10% to 20% of the group’s members are Nazis. The leader of the Azov regiment, Biletsky, has since left to start a political party. And while there are still some far-right ties remaining in the unit, there have also been a flow of new recruits “who mostly are not there because of the regiment’s ideology, but because of its reputation as a particularly tough fighting unit,” Andreas Umland, an analyst at the Stockholm Centre for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, told us in a Skype interview.

Also, lol at the 14000 meme.

Donbass: Did Ukraine Kill 14,000 Pro-Russians and Civilians?

The answer is no. 14,000 is the number of the total victims of the war in Donbass, killed by both parties between 2014 and 2021. 10,900 of them were soldiers.

bitterwinter.org

By no means were these victims all “killed by the Ukrainians.” According to the U.N., 10,900 victims were soldiers, of which 4,400 were Ukrainians and 6,500 pro-Russian combatants of or on behalf of the separatist pseudo-republics. Civilian victims were between 3,400 and 3,500. The latter were in turn not all victims of attacks and of drones and rockets launched by Ukraine against the pseudo-republics. In fact, a part died in the portions of the oblasts of Luhansk and Donetsk that remained under Ukrainian control during attacks by separatists.

The U.N. report also notes that 8.8% of all civilian victims come from a single incident, which happened on July 17, 2014, when Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot by a missile, and all the 298 who were aboard (283 passengers and 15 crew members) died. While Russian and pro-Russian propaganda has tried to spread several conspiracy theories about the incident, two Dutch investigations concluded that the plane was shot by a surface-to-air missile supplied by Russia.

 

[hmt5000]

Because Putin sees himself as a Tsar. Ideally the people in those countries that Russia invades and takes over. Won't be Polish, Ukrainian, Moldovan, etc they'll just be Russians. No need to build infastructure etc etc when you can just steal what is existing. Lol, you think us appeasing Putin is gonna prevent some world war. But letting him run rampant and take Ukraine. Will show him the west is weak and he'll start taking over the baltics, poland, any former USSR sphere country. But go on and tell us more about those Russian Bio labs in ukraine. Lol....

LOL. They can't. They don't have the man power. They only have 150 million people. How do you go on offense on such a broad front while defending your insanely large border? And how will he take over the Baltics when you guys are saying they are losing badly to Ukraine?

Ukraine is kicking his ass but he'll take the entirety of eastern Europe if we don't stop him.... The leaps in logic you guys have to make to make this sham make sense is amazing.... but you did vote in a potato and claim that our border is just as secure as ever.

 

[hmt5000]

I see you didn't read the article.
The Azov battalion, which has about 1,000 members, represents a small minority of the overall Ukrainian military. As the BBC reported, the Ukrainian armed forces number some 250,000, and the National Guard — of which Azov is a part — has around 50,000 members.

And some say the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi leanings of the Azov regiment have become less prevalent. In 2015, a spokesman for the Azov brigade told USA Today that 10% to 20% of the group’s members are Nazis. The leader of the Azov regiment, Biletsky, has since left to start a political party. And while there are still some far-right ties remaining in the unit, there have also been a flow of new recruits “who mostly are not there because of the regiment’s ideology, but because of its reputation as a particularly tough fighting unit,” Andreas Umland, an analyst at the Stockholm Centre for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, told us in a Skype interview.

Also, lol at the 14000 meme.

Donbass: Did Ukraine Kill 14,000 Pro-Russians and Civilians?

The answer is no. 14,000 is the number of the total victims of the war in Donbass, killed by both parties between 2014 and 2021. 10,900 of them were soldiers.

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By no means were these victims all “killed by the Ukrainians.” According to the U.N., 10,900 victims were soldiers, of which 4,400 were Ukrainians and 6,500 pro-Russian combatants of or on behalf of the separatist pseudo-republics. Civilian victims were between 3,400 and 3,500. The latter were in turn not all victims of attacks and of drones and rockets launched by Ukraine against the pseudo-republics. In fact, a part died in the portions of the oblasts of Luhansk and Donetsk that remained under Ukrainian control during attacks by separatists.

The U.N. report also notes that 8.8% of all civilian victims come from a single incident, which happened on July 17, 2014, when Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot by a missile, and all the 298 who were aboard (283 passengers and 15 crew members) died. While Russian and pro-Russian propaganda has tried to spread several conspiracy theories about the incident, two Dutch investigations concluded that the plane was shot by a surface-to-air missile supplied by Russia.

No.. I read it... I just harshly disagree with it. Too many photos of soldier hailing cabs in Ukraine to think it's only 1000.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Denazi, miltiary neutral, no Nato bases or missiles on Rus border, Minsk accords followed... which has changed to independence for the east of Ukraine after they had that vote.

That vote was about as honest as Russias normal elections. Nazis are a smokescreen and emotional buzzword used for leverage. Russia has at least the same level of problem with that anyway. I notice he isn't concerned about cleaning up his own mess.

Russia has willfully violated every agreement it has had with Ukraine. As for Minsk, it was signed by Russian installed people in Donbas. It had little legitimacy. Perhaps they should follow the Budapest agreements.

 

[hmt5000]

That vote was about as honest as Russias normal elections. Nazis are a smokescreen and emotional buzzword used for leverage. Russia has at least the same level of problem with that anyway. I notice he isn't concerned about cleaning up his own mess.

Russia has willfully violated every agreement it has had with Ukraine. As for Minsk, it was signed by Russian installed people in Donbas. It had little legitimacy. Perhaps they should follow the Budapest agreements.

Hmm. I'm going to assume you don't know what Minsk is if you think it was signed by puppets in the Donbas. Minsk was an agreement with Kyiv to stop shelling people in the East. At that point they didn't even want to leave Ukraine.... they just wanted to be left alone and not be targeted for speaking Russian.



All the revisionist history aside.... After the coup in Kyiv a group of Yanukovich supporters showed up at Odessa to protest the coup. Pro Azov style groups then beat the protesters and they fled into a government building to get away. The Azov type group then set the building on fire. If you want to know why the East started to push back against the coup plotters... that's why.

The 2 regions in the East started to act up because of this crime against humanity. Imagine people being afraid after a building full of people just like them got set on fire....

 

[RunninRichie]

LOL. They can't. They don't have the man power. They only have 150 million people. How do you go on offense on such a broad front while defending your insanely large border? And how will he take over the Baltics when you guys are saying they are losing badly to Ukraine?

Ukraine is kicking his ass but he'll take the entirety of eastern Europe if we don't stop him.... The leaps in logic you guys have to make to make this sham make sense is amazing.... but you did vote in a potato and claim that our border is just as secure as ever.

Another magatard saying im a democrat when he gets flustered. You people are all the same. Nobody said he'd win in the baltics or poland. Just that they would try and that would trigger article 5. And then you'd have to worry about a world war and the border. Russia state TV applauded Tucker Carlson and his cronies btw. They called them great allies. MERICA FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hmt5000]

Another magatard saying im a democrat when he gets flustered. You people are all the same. Nobody said he'd win in the baltics or poland. Just that they would try and that would trigger article 5. And then you'd have to worry about a world war and the border. Russia state TV applauded Tucker Carlson and his cronies btw. They called them great allies. MERICA FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we have to fight Russia in Ukraine or else fight them in Poland.... maybe. LOL. Hoops baby.

Did you actually watch the interview? Do you think other journalist were wrong to interview Bin Laden, Ayatollah, Qadhafi, Castro, Hillary Clinton?