I didn't know this. Sorry to hear. Sad for you. Heard this past week that good friend has same along with heart failure.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Do you think Putin would honor any mediated resolution?
That's bad. I'm no where near sick enough to go on the transplant list so ill take it. I can't work though and liver doc just put me back on 10lb max picking things up. They had to put a shunt in my liver to save me once already. Apparently those things are a bit delicate. I'm so sick of tv I could scream.
What are the bullet points and details of this article? How would containment work? I don’t have a WSJ acct, need to get one. Maybe the best paper in the country.There's also a self-righteous "feel good" aspect to it, unearned virtue.
But back to your regular scheduling programming, tick-tock.
First, I don’t think there is any alternative. I believe that will be the outcome; however, the variables are time and death. How much more time and death (and cost - both in war costs and reconstruction costs) will we demand before it eventually happens?
Putin, or a like successor, is a constant, regardless of the outcome. Whether Putin honors the treaty probably depends on the world’s actions after the treaty, as much as anything else, but also on the terms of the treaty.
The fact is that everyone knew Russia was going to invade, even before it amassed at the border and, yet, no real attempt to resolve the differences were apparently made. And, no serious attempts to dissuade Russia were publicly attempted. It was a shit show.
I'm not sure all that is correct. I know Macron tried and I think he said something to the effect that negotiating with Putin was a waste of time. I'm sure the usual back channels were used as well but Putin was determined and unwilling to negotiate a fair resolution.
Even had it been successful, Putin has broken every agreement that has been in place.
Unless Macron was a proxy for the U.S., I am not sure France was the country to negotiate with Russia. Macron probably should have negotiated with China with an eye on Russia. I don’t think a treaty happens without China. That is just my gut.
I think Ukraine digging in with what they have, no mediation, is an alternative
China is not serious about a peace proposal, they want to see Russia win. Already finding various Chinese-made bulletproof vests, helmets, drones, and other forms of lethal and non-lethal aid. Of course China will say publicly what they want the world audience to hear, but their actions prove otherwise.
So, you are saying there is no way anyone in NATO could mediate a resolution. Awesome.
The reason you go to China is because they are supporting Russia.
How much is too much?
apnews.com
Nearly half of Americans think the US is spending too much on Ukraine aid, an AP-NORC poll says
45% say the U.S. government is spending too much on aid to Ukraine in the war against Russia, compared with 52% in October.
apnews.com
So over half not say we're spending too much. Thanks.How much is too much?
Nearly half of Americans think the US is spending too much on Ukraine aid, an AP-NORC poll says
45% say the U.S. government is spending too much on aid to Ukraine in the war against Russia, compared with 52% in October.
With recent stories saying Putin is making slow advances, the above looks like most feasible outcome for Ukraine.
Slow advances where? Not seeing any of that. Don’t see the lines moving much during mud season.
The post did not even reference NATO.
Don’t trust China as an unbiased objective mediator. Sure, it’s worth an effort. It gives Xi and China visibility on the world stage as a world power negotiator. The point is China’s geopolitical interests are a.) China and b.) it’s vassal state Russia. They really don’t give a damn about Ukraine.
Tired Ukrainian Troops Fight to Hold Back Russian Soldiers: ‘They Come Like Zombies’
Russia is taking heavy casualties in the mud of eastern Ukraine as it presses to encircle the city of Avdiivka.
www.wsj.com
The new Bakhmut! This town has no strategic value and losing hundreds and sometimes thousands a day with their human wave attacks illustrates again how little the invaders value life of their own. Extremely minimal gains at a great cost.
Tired Ukrainian Troops Fight to Hold Back Russian Soldiers: ‘They Come Like Zombies’
Russia is taking heavy casualties in the mud of eastern Ukraine as it presses to encircle the city of Avdiivka.
Connect the dots. NATO is also not objective and is directly supporting Ukraine. That is not an assessment of right or wrong, just a fact. So, as logic would dictate, if China is precluded because it is in some ways supporting Russia, then NATO is likewise precluded. We can extend that list beyond China and NATO, but what would be the purpose?
The fact is that a party that is not objective can lead the warring nations to a resolution. In fact, third-parties who support the warring nations could be instrumental in convincing those nations that a proposed treaty is reasonable.
From article:
"Ukraine is struggling to replace its infantry losses in the summer counteroffensive and the costly defense of Bakhmut"
"Ukrainian front-line units are commonly 20% to 40% below full strength, said Ihor Romanenko, a military analyst and retired Ukrainian lieutenant general. “Because of the shortage of infantry, those remaining are tired,” he said. There is little scope for rest or rotation. Avdiivka has long been a thorn in the side of Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. The fortified town forms a salient north of Donetsk city, limiting Russian control of the region."
IOW, Ukraine can't replace their losses & the city is important to Putin control of the area.
"Russia’s goal was to crush us so that we would take neutrality. This was the main thing for them: they were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality, like Finland. And we will make a commitment that we will not join NATO. This was the main thing”
"Boris Johnson came and said, that we will not sign anything with them and will fight!"
"Boris Johnson came and said, that we will not sign anything with them and will fight!"
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The Russian units on the left bank of the Dnipro @ Kherson are in far worse shape, and the UAF gains there are much greater than Avdiivka. The Russians are going to be in serious trouble if the M14 gets cut off, supply lines gone.
Gotcha - thought you meant “other” third parties aside from the two already mentioned.
Doesn't the left/right bank thing depend on the direction of view/travel? As is, this doesn't tell me anything. Generally speaking, I'd base left/right on the direction of water flow.
This comes from one of the top officials of Zelensky's party.Americans always recognize they're being lied to about US wars after they're done. But at the start, every time, many get convinced: no, no: this one is different, this time we're doing Good:
And as part of that "deal" they'd get all territory back as borders existed in 2013? "Deal" is meaningless w/o terms.
The left bank is the southern/western side if you look at the country on a map.
Ukraine War is Just About Over - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
The handwriting was on the wall. An Op-Ed in the New York Times entitled “I’m a Ukrainian, and I Refuse to Compete for Your Attention” summed things up nicely: a media junket the author’s friend had been organizing to Ukraine was canceled. The TV crew instead left for the Middle East. The United...
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This stupid war was a complete waste of money and life. All for nothing*.
Just wonder if the few Ukrainian kids who are left are going to hate Russia more for attacking Ukraine, or hate us more for installing Zelensky then using the Ukrainian youth as cannon fodder to degrade Russia’s military or whatever the eventual justification was for the war.
*unless you’re a corrupt politician or defense contractor.
Just wonder if the few Ukrainian kids who are left are going to hate Russia more for attacking Ukraine, or hate us more for installing Zelensky then using the Ukrainian youth as cannon fodder to degrade Russia’s military or whatever the eventual justification was for the war.
*unless you’re a corrupt politician or defense contractor.
The Russia lie that HRC fed to people like you is now almost 8 years old. Maybe instead of trotting out nonsense about Putin, you should face the reality that we’re completely broke and only one wing of one party will admit it or even try to address it.
Our broken government is the greatest threat any of us face at the moment.
