Her recent songs sound like she has a team of producers helping her. Like Janet Jackson in the 90s. They also are starting to all sound the same like 90s Def Leppard. But she is talented.
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I’ll agree with most of that, her work ethic is definitely ridiculous and just looking at it through BRO EYES, her cardio work must be insane.
To do that for 3 hours is just phenomenal cardio wise.
I have zero idea how marketing works so I won’t comment on that but I’m sure you’re pretty spot on. Her becoming a “bad gal” or whatever has been an impressive turn as well, doing that while also having a squeaky clean record is pretty remarkable.
eh it depends on a lot of factors. I went to the show Saturday night. Ticket + Motel 6 + gas + trip to Jungle Jims for fun and I spent a total of maybe $250
She had a strange career path in regards to this. She wrote or co wrote all of her songs. After her 2nd album blew up and she won a Grammy for best album a very common belief was "oh sure shes good, but can she write without help?" so she wrote ALL of her 3rd album. After that she began very openly collaborating with certain producers, most notably Aaron Dessner and Jack Antonoff. She is VERY open about their collaboration. There are scenes in her Netflix movie showing her sitting with Antonoff writing together. Hell she brought Dessner out on stage Saturday night and very openly thanked him for helping her make the albums she wanted.
But is she a "bad girl"? As someone else said, she curses occasionally now. And she may dance/dress a bit more provocatively but women around 30 tend to do that from time to time. I'm sure she knows from watching others in her industry not to take things so far that it feels desperate or turns people off. She knows girls love her music but her core audience appears to be young adult women in their twenties.
The most impressive thing about her might be the fact that she's handled herself properly throughout her career. Granted, I haven't paid attention too closely, but I don't believe she's said or done anything stupid the entire time she's been famous. Hell, remember the dumb fappening hack? She was the perfect age to get caught up in that, and nothing came out, literally.
I do wish she hadn't gone political. Mainly because I enjoyed seeing people argue about it. Before she said anything there were incredible debates on whether or not she was a Trump supporter. It was all based (on both sides) on literally NOTHING.
I mean yes, she is certainly a marketing giant. She definitely has surrounded herself with a genius team. But IMO she’s successful first because she is a talented song writer not because of her team.
She’s also one of the best performers I’ve ever seen. She puts on one hell of a show.
No offense, but this is a rube take when she's literally written and performed:
- 9 number 1 US hits
- 8 more number 2 US hits
- 9 number 1 US albums (out of 10 she's released)
- 200 million album units world wide
- More albums than any other woman other than Madonna, Rhianna, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, and Beyonce (who she is tied with)
But yeah, just marketing.
Agree she's a great performer. I'll never go but I definitely respect anyone that goes for hours and elicits tears from concert goers
She's good because she's popular? So McDonald's McDonald's is good because they sold billions of burgers?
Popularity and quality are two totally different things.
She somehow channeled boy band fervour into young women and apparently some men.
You know what is more insufferable than pop music?
People that won't stop whining about pop music.
People that won't stop whining about pop music.
The men experiencing that should be considered men very loosely, lol.
If you knew anything about musical acts, then you would know the above stats are pretty much pointless in today's culture. None of the above = quality, at least to the extent of which you boast.
Someone your she 60 years ago said the exact same about the Beatles, I’m not comparing the two artists, I’m comparing you with other old people that don’t like “that darn kids music, whatre they even singing about!?!?!”
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These are the 2 key words...neither of which equate to musicianship/concert/etc.
She's neither young nor new. Has nothing to do with age. I really like most new music. She just isn't a talented vocalist. Most all her songs are aimed at the teenage girl inside every woman who's crying in attendance.
This is another uncomfortable fact for the men who claim to be Swifties and go with women to these shows: when your woman is crying listening to the teenage breakup sagas in these songs, she definitely ain't thinking about you. So you just spent thousands so your woman could relive the angst, yearning, and heartbreak of another man
There it is, your insecure about your lady thinking about her high school boyfriend 😂, how could you possibly care if she is?
You don’t think every man/woman doesn’t think about an ex or an attractive co-worker on occasion? Lord, it’s human nature.
You don’t think every man/woman doesn’t think about an ex or an attractive co-worker on occasion? Lord, it’s human nature.
I don't care because I don't go and I don't date anyone that is a swiftie. I just think it's hilarious to see.
I even said I really respect her ability to market, to earn, to perform, etc. Why is it so important to people to defend her mediocre vocals?
Some of you are talking like Swift is a flash in the pan pop star. To the contrary, she is one of the biggest critical darlins in recent music history. Who in this century is considered a more "important" artist in critical terms? Maybe Radiohead. Kanye West. Anyone else?
Important isn't the same as good. That's just a sliver away from the popular= good argument.
Why do her fans so insist on people agreeing she's good and/or attractive? A massive commercial and cultural phenomenon isn't enough?
I couldn’t care less if anyone else enjoys her music. That’s simply a matter of preference. There’s plenty of well regarded music I can’t stand.
If you don’t think she’s attractive? I think you’re insane but again preference. No matter how good looking someone is, there is someone that thinks she’s ugly. No matter how grotesque someone is, someone thinks she’s hot.
It’s when people post demonstrably false things. Claiming she’s no different than Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera is just false. They were entirely manufactured by producers. Their careers would be non existent otherwise. If Taylor Swift stopped after her first album that’d be a fair comparison.
Claiming she’s only selling out stadiums because people were sick of being cooped up during Covid? She was selling out stadiums before anyone knew what Covid was. Someone said that if they had the opportunity to Britney would have sold out stadiums. What stopped her? Stadium shows have been around since the 60s
If you don’t think she’s attractive? I think you’re insane but again preference. No matter how good looking someone is, there is someone that thinks she’s ugly. No matter how grotesque someone is, someone thinks she’s hot.
It’s when people post demonstrably false things. Claiming she’s no different than Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera is just false. They were entirely manufactured by producers. Their careers would be non existent otherwise. If Taylor Swift stopped after her first album that’d be a fair comparison.
Claiming she’s only selling out stadiums because people were sick of being cooped up during Covid? She was selling out stadiums before anyone knew what Covid was. Someone said that if they had the opportunity to Britney would have sold out stadiums. What stopped her? Stadium shows have been around since the 60s
I would argue Aguilera is an elite singing talent (e.g. her voice and range) = better than Swift in this respect. Spears's primary talent seemed to be being attractive.
oh shes a great singer, just got caught up in the image game up front. Lady Gaga has a great voice too and back when she started I HATED her because she just across as a Madonna rip off, but I saw a video of her singing at a talent show at NYU and it was great. It made me hate her even more because it was so clear she was just attention whoring. I didn't actually start to appreciate her until she started duetting with Tony Bennett and acting.
Still hate her music for the most part.
Still hate her music for the most part.
Quit being a dullard. Think of it in terms of baseball. Shohei Ohtani is an important player to the game of baseball. A transcendent star who is doing things very few or even no one has ever done. That’s what Swift is doing in music right now.
I would argue her 'importance' is more on the business side of the industry. She has fought pretty hard for ownership rights (another saga that was totally misconstrued) and better pay from streaming services. She also had positive influence on Me Too by standing up for herself quite publicly before the movement started. She didn't wait 20 years to make her situation known. She also got sued by that guy that groped and testified very openly in court and pulled no punches. She also paid legal fees for people like Kesha who was in a lawsuit involving sexual assault.
And most of them have no idea what they're talking about.
Taylor Swift ? - everyone on here is a music expert
Covid ? - everyone on here is a Epidemiologist
Murder ? - everyone on here is a Lawyer etc.
This place is getting as bad as Facebook
That is completely false. She is selling out stadiums, nothing more.... something most of the top acts in history have done/are still doing. Her "music" is hardly ground breaking, and is actually in a genre that can be categorized as mundane. There isn't anything about it that screams legendary.
I found out that primatology is something that approximately 70% of the population has a PHD in after Harambe died.
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Yes all the top artists are raking a billion a tour, it’s commonplace.
They also have 20k people standing outside the stadium just to get the chance to listen!
He’s in his mid to late 30s/early 40s so he probably wonders why people aren’t still infatuated with Biggie/Pac, Garth and the Goo Goo Dolls…
I actually listen to a pretty wide range of music. I like Motown and folk rock stuff from the 1960s. I enjoy 70's rock, southern rock and soul. The 1980s had good hard rock, metal and country. The 1990s had excellent country and metal. I wasn't a huge fan of grunge, but there were other 90s rock bands such as Gin Blossoms, Counting Crows, The Black Crowes, Toad the Wet Sprocket and a number of others I liked.
I honestly haven't been blown away by any genre over the course of the last 20+ years. There are a few good songs here and there. But good music in the mainstream is much harder to find these days. I especially hate the "bubblegum pop" genre which Taylor Swift is firmly planted in, even above the other garbage. I don't even consider much of it to be actual music. It is just a bunch of computer generated electronic crap performed by no-talent hacks. Taylor Swift is no great "vocalist". In terms of actual vocal ability she would rank in the bottom 10% of even today's garbage vocalists. She might be able to put together some catchy tunes that appeal to teenage girls, but when you compare her voice to those of truly gifted female performers, she is sorely lacking.
