Reminds me of the S.D. Charger fans .... they were so fed up with only making the AFC game instead of the super bowl that they fired Shottenheimer ...and look how they've been ever since... Same with Eagles fans and Coach Reid.
Still Think Cal Is A Great Coach?
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What is he wrong about? He definitely wanted Dakari, Marquis and Archie to come back. I think Liggins had family issues that kinda forced his hand but the others?
You are correct. After Cal leaves, it will take a while for players to start coming back to UK because it is UK instead of seeing it only as a fast track to the NBA. I want players coming to UK because of tradition and not only because of the NBA.
I think if we land a good coach then our recruiting won't take that drastic of a dip.... maybe on the level of KU and Arizona etc...
I would trade him for no one he is the perfect fit for UK. But I do wish he would just let them play we were cruising 34-13 I was right at free throw line 10 rows from floor could see and hear everything he goes out screaming at the players they all have their heads turned towards him and UT goes on a run while we looked like the keystone cops...momentum is a funny thing once Tennessee got hot and that crowd went berserk it was all out retreat for UK, I hoped UT would cool at the half they did not crowd wasn't going to let them and Coach aint gonna change nothing he's gonna do it his way soo... I don't know nothing but just enjoy the ride and maybe next year.
Then you might want to start building a time machine. This isn't 1980-90 anymore. Kids don't pick schools because of tradition. If that's what you are counting on when Cal leaves, then I got news for you, you're going to be in for a serious eye opening experience. The game of college basketball has clearly passed you by.
And, yes, I know I am correct. Once Cal leaves, UK will go another 10+ years without a Final 4, and I'm not even going to be upset. I'm going to be overfilled with joy, laughing at all you simpletons, telling you I told you so.
An when was the last time either of those two teams did anything in March? Matter of fact, those two teams are two of the most underachieving, choking teams in March.
I am not implying anything. If Cal didn't want some of those players going to the NBA, he wouldn't have been using the number of players that went to the NBA as part of his marketing of UK basketball. When have you heard him making public comments about the travesty of decisions made by some of those players. However he has mentioned that he was more interested in getting 7 players or whatever the number into the NBA than he was about winning an NC.
Yes I guess you are right because all of the schools that don't send 4,5 or more players to the NBA like UK are struggling every year to get great players on their teams.
You're making a false connection. In no way, shape, or form does Cal emphasizing his overall NBA players disconnect him from the very real conversations where he told certain players they would best be served by returning.
The idea that you're trying to make the two talking points mutually exclusive is fallacious and totally unsupported by any available quote or known historical actuality.
Kids aren't going to Kentucky to visit the statues of Adolph Rupp and talk about the 1948 team. They're going to Kentucky because Kentucky has a coach with a well-known reputation for preparing young men for the NBA.
Without Cal, there would be no Davis, Wall, Cousins, Randle, Noel, Ulis, Monk, Fox, etc. at Kentucky. They'd have all gone elsewhere and our fans would probably have witnessed an Indiana-like collapse as a program at this point.
No, but those schools that aren't recruiting the best of the best are definitely not going to Final 4's at the rate UK is.
Let me turn your attention to UNC. Remember back some years in the mid to late 2000's when they were the top school, landing all the top 10 recruits, getting their pick of litter. Remember that? They dominated college basketball in that span. Look at them now that they're not getting the top players anymore? When was the last time they made a Final 4, won a championship?
In case you haven't noticed with all of your basketball wisdom, basketball is a player's game, not a coach's game. There is not a single great coach that didn't get to be great without having great players. It's that simple. When Cal leaves UK all of these great players will start going to Duke, KU, Arizona and any other school willing to play the one and done game. And guess what? It will be one of those teams going to four Final 4's in five years instead of UK.
But, I guess it doesn't matter because some of you will still be happy because UK has 4 year players and plays zone defense.
I do. Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. That doesn't mean he can't be and is a great coach. I was infuriated with him last year when he kind of slowed things down against Wisconsin with a very small lead. Still, he thought it was the right thing to do, and he's shown he is a great coach. So I accepted it without condemning him. Was critical of him harshly, but I still wanted him back. This just isn't a great team. Maybe some of that is on Cal, but far from all of it.
When your brand is the NBA and not your schools tradition, there is a great chance that you might be right Nostradamus. The schools that you listed use their names as their brands and not getting to the next level.
So all of the one and dones that went to Duke, KU, Arizona etc... went to those schools for the tradition, but all of the one and dones that have come to UK only came because of getting to the next level? Is that what you are really sitting here trying to tell me? Seriously? If so, you're just as hypocritical as you are clueless.
This isn't the 1950's or 1960's, recruits could care less about tradition, be it UK,Duke, Kansas or UNC. There are millions of dollars waiting on successful one and dones. They are looking for a Coach with a record of getting then there. The only thing they care about the college is the facilities. Once they make it, most are fans. Guarantee you if Cal was run off that support from the former players would cease for the most part, especially if it was an ugly separation.
If y'all remember Boogie, Bledsoe, Wall would have been at Memohis. Billy Clyde has us set up with Euton and other 4 year rejects.
They play for the coach.
We have the brand for exposure, get another Tubby or Clyde, enjoy reading about when UK was good.
They play for the coach.
We have the brand for exposure, get another Tubby or Clyde, enjoy reading about when UK was good.
Think like a 19 year old. See the Bentley waiting etc
Remove Bill Self and have a Ted Owens like failure as a coach. KU suddenly would be less attractive to one and dones.
Do you honestly believe that Duke, who was struggling to recruit just 3-4 years ago all the sudden started recruiting well again because of their tradition? Or, is it because K finally started going after one and dones, and selling them on their dream to play in the NBA?
Newsflash, they were struggling in recruiting because K still hadn't caught up with the times, was still trying to sell them on Duke's tradition, and that wasn't working out too well. Since, K has realized that, changed his approach, started going after one and dones, and is selling them on playing one year at Duke and then going to the NBA.
*Edit* - Think about that. Arguably the greatest coach to ever coach the game, has now copied off of Cal's approach. What does that tell you? It tells you that Cal must be doing something really, really, really, right. Not to mention, this year, he is also experiencing what Cal does every single year at UK is really, really, really, hard.
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I still think he is a great coach; you can quibble with the philosophy all you want and maybe you have some merits here or there, but no philosophy is perfect or infallible. You'd just take losses in different ways.
Maybe you'd rather have a zone coach and here or there you might get a Carmelo Anthony to bring you a title.
Maybe you'd rather have more consistent rosters and presence in the top 10 year in year out, but then get upset in the tournament to a VCU or a directional Iowa or make the title game only not to have the talent to compete against an Anthony Davis.
Or you have a bunch of shooters but an off night sends you home to a Mercer or Lehigh or get throttled pretty well in the elite 8 by Louisville.
Or you play a classic all around game with a slew of upperclassman and manage to defeat one of the greatest college teams in the history of the game, only to get beat by talented freshmen top center and excellent guard/small forward trio.
Maybe you'd rather have a zone coach and here or there you might get a Carmelo Anthony to bring you a title.
Maybe you'd rather have more consistent rosters and presence in the top 10 year in year out, but then get upset in the tournament to a VCU or a directional Iowa or make the title game only not to have the talent to compete against an Anthony Davis.
Or you have a bunch of shooters but an off night sends you home to a Mercer or Lehigh or get throttled pretty well in the elite 8 by Louisville.
Or you play a classic all around game with a slew of upperclassman and manage to defeat one of the greatest college teams in the history of the game, only to get beat by talented freshmen top center and excellent guard/small forward trio.
I can say one thing and that is that you are definitely not a great poster. Maybe you would like to go back to the Billy G days. Get a life.
They were struggling because coach K didn't want the one and dones. However, once he decided that he wanted them, he had no problems getting them because they wanted to be at Duke.
Yeah, and you can bet your ass he isn't selling them on Duke's tradition.That's the whole point. You said players went to Duke because of tradition, which couldn't be further from the truth.
One and done players are now going to Duke, not because of Duke's tradition, but because K has copied Cal and changed his approach to cater to them. Now, Duke, like UK, is a school that they can go to, have a chance to win an NCAA title, and then go to the NBA after one year.
Also, in case you forgot, K did want one and dones. He was trying to recruit plenty back then, but he just couldn't land them. The reason he couldn't land them is because he was selling them on the wrong things, which includes Duke's tradition. Once he changed that approach, started selling them on one year then the NBA, guess what? He magically started landing them.
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Read something somewhere that when Cal was recruiting Ulis that he told him if he was coming here to stay for years that he did not want him. .so yes, he wants these guys out of here asap
Dumb way of looking at it. It was simply recruiting him by making him think he would be ready in less than 4 years. Ulis had other big options from Izzo, Iowa and others.
Surely Cal wasn't just trying to push Ulis not to settle for only being a four year player college player, for him to come in with the mindset of being the best he could be, and to prove all of his doubters wrong, people who doubted him for being too short. Nah, couldn't be that, could it?
Face it, players only stay four years these days because they are not god enough for the NBA, and most people had that opinion of Ulis because of his height. Cal was basically telling him he doesn't have to settle for that. That's the point that Cal was trying to make to Ulis. The fact that it completely went over your head surprises no one.
Everyone remember the media HELL Cal got for the one and dones? It was everyday, some Jeff Goodman, Forde, all the ESPN expert after expert and other programs fans CALIPARI IS RUINING COLLEGE BASKETBALL, we were accused of cheating, buying players. Everyday, what can be done to stop this and force the kids to stay.
Self starts trying to land these players, not a squeak from the media.
Coach K is praised by this same media for being smart and adapting. No credit to Cal for taking advantage first.
"Something somewhere "?? Well, that's hard to argue with.
Cal's not going to push a kid out the door simply to recycle the position. If that's true, behold Marcus Lee
I just can't help but laugh at some of these posters who whine about being slammed when they criticize Cal. Maybe just maybe your guys opinion would be more accepted if you would post one damn positive message every once and a while and not come running to this board with a hard-on after a loss or any negative news for that matter.
Some people forget the good teams that Calipari has had at Memphis. A lot of those teams made deep runs in the tournament and much of those players were not McDonald's All Americans. Cal can certainly coach and he certainly can milk a lot of talent out of what he recruits. The problem is a majority of our players are young every year. Hard to teach youth year in and year out. (Barring some major injury) This team will evolve and Cal will have these guys ready come March..
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