Or what K at Duke during Brand's final year? Five lottery picks on that team, including the overall #1 pick.
No college team has ever, nor will ever produce 5 lottery picks
Or what K at Duke during Brand's final year? Five lottery picks on that team, including the overall #1 pick.
Yes, they did. Brand, Langdon, Maggette, Avery, and Battier. 1, 11, 13, 14, and 6 (later season)No college team has ever, nor will ever produce 5 lottery picks
Yeah, getting to the FF is awful. Much better with Tubby and BCG. Didn't have that problem then.I'm so tired of seeing fanboys throw out the the 4 FF in 5 years. That's fine but the only number that matters is 1, as in the 1 title in those years.
I doubt NBA fans would cling to 4 Western Conference Finals in 5 years. Seriously, you wanna make you argument being happy with 3rd or 4th place? Nobody brags about coming in 2nd, 3rd or 4th. I really, really hope the ones defending Cal aren't the same ones that make fun of Dean Smith for wasting all the talent he had.
All I want is a damn title. At this point, getting to these Final Fours and not winning is just making the tension worse. We should legitimately have 3 titles in Cal's 6 years here, 2 at the very least. But we don't, we have 1, and that 1 took having the best player to ever wear a Kentucky jersey to win. Not to mention a handful of other great players.
If Cal had won just 2 titles at this point then I wouldn't have this problem with him and this thread wouldn't be here.
Why didn't Rick win with Mash in '93? Why didn't he win in '97 with Mercer?Should he not be in position to win titles? Look at the talent he's had. Why are you telling me how incredible of a coach he was to get the best players around in a position to win it all?
Better question for you? Why didn't he win it at Memphis with D-Rose? Was he not up in the title game? Why didn't he win it in Umass with Marcus Camby?
To be fair though, UMASS already had a history of making it to the tournament before Cal got there. They did it that one time in 1962.Yeah, getting to the FF is awful. Much better with Tubby and BCG. Didn't have that problem then.
Cal took freaking UMASS to the FF. UMASS. Yet imbeciles like you think he can't coach.
Unreal what some folks post. Would love for them to find another team.
Yes, they did. Brand, Langdon, Maggette, Avery, and Battier. 1, 11, 13, 14, and 6 (later season)
Yeah, what was I thinkingTo be fair though, UMASS already had a history of making it to the tournament before Cal got there. They did it that one time in 1962.
Forgot to count your thumb again?Yes, the team had 4 lottery picks. Thanks for being more detailed????
They had five. Four that year, and then two years later Battier was a lottery pick. Just because he wasn't a lottery pick that year doesn't mean he wasn't an eventual lottery pick that was on the team. He was a sophomore that year and played 20+ minutes a game, so it's not like he was sitting the bench not contributing to the team.No college team has ever, nor will ever produce 5 lottery picks
So IOW...
you're gonna hold out for the elite recruit, who is not from Kentucky, but who is a historian by the age of 16, looks back through the seasons and records to find out if UK really is, in fact, historically greater than UNC and UCLA, and then after gathering the facts, decides that he wants to continue that string of greatness, equally valuing all of the past contributors from John Wall back to the 6'5 centers who played with short shorts before the televised era?
You're describing a hell of a lot of 5'9 50 year old white guys, but how many nationally recruited kids with pro aspirations do you think come along per decade like that? Five? That's not gonna fill a roster.
Me, I'm perfectly happy as long as we go full force at every 4+ star kid from Kentucky that grew up dreaming wildcat dreams. The rest of our elite recruits will have plenty of chances to come to love the school as they attend, like Wall, Boogie, etc have learned to do.
Beyond that, kids go to schools for coaches, and coaches go to schools for tradition. Tradition going back past 10 years only helps with kids indirectly - before that, they were sucking their thumbs or not born yet.
Kids look at it as a long-term business thing, just like every other college kid in america looks at their school choice. And if you were the parent of a five star recruit, you'd tell them to think that way.
Totally agree with this post!!!! However I don't see how anyone can argue that we shouldn't at least TRY a zone when we are getting killed man to man. Just because the posters bringing it up are hateful trolls and I wish they go away, Cal is stubborn.Not really.
The complaints regarding zone and timeouts come out often. I personally blamed the lack of timeouts for 2010 and 15 final losses.
Cal isn't perfect, he appears stubborn in some ways (slow down ball with leads, mixing up defenses).
This thread simply has the normal Cal detractors so excited they can hardly stand it.
Lmd, Zay, Stonewall and Zippy will be wearing smiles all week.
But keep in mind girls, it's one thing to criticize coach when warranted, you jokers make it an everyday occurrence.
This thread is the first time people have actually acknowledged some of Cal's deficiencies as a coach. Yet we still have the same posters coming on and defending his every move. Cal is stubborn. It has cost him, and in my opinion it will continue to cost him. I've said that for a long time now and posters are finally seeing what I have been talking about. Cal's national titles will end with just the one. Anthony Davis isn't walking through that door. One and Done for Cal with titles at UK.
God, I just can't get over this quote. It's so juicy and glorious, and it validates all the irritating things that the national media says about UK fans.
"Ah guess yer okay fer now, Cal, but if you want some support, then you better get to makin' them historical runs a little bit more historical."
Because he's not! He's an excellent recruiter who is a "C" bench coach at best. He's stubborn, won't make obvious moves that need to be made and the moves he does make a lot of times hurt more than help.
We will have to have a totally stacked roster to get 9 and even that doesn't give us an overwhelming chance at it.
And to the smartasses, no I don't want him gone because there's nobody else available that's a better option. But he could be so much better than he is but refuses to be out of pride/stubbornness.
What is hilarious is the fact that you people call him stubborn because he doesn't coach like you think he should....I call that pompous and I am not talking about Cal.YES! to a fault. he costs us games with his stubborness
Yes. He's the best in the country. Show me a coach with a better run the last 6 years.
Elite 8
Final 4
National Champion
NIT
National Runner Up
Final 4
Yes I think he is a good coach.
It's too easy for trolls to say Cal isn't a great coach. I would just like those who say that to post the name of the coach they would rather have on our sideline. I'm sure they won't because they like to hide behind the cloak of secrecy and throw darts at Cal every chance they get. Just name ONE damn coach with a better track record than Cal has at UK. If his record means he's a lousy coach, I can live with those results.
What are your qualifications to rate anyone, let alone a HOF and NC winning coach?Because he's not! He's an excellent recruiter who is a "C" bench coach at best. He's stubborn, won't make obvious moves that need to be made and the moves he does make a lot of times hurt more than help.
Then why whine and cry if you personally love the fact that the other team scores. Trying to build up your number of post?And? That happens every other possession in man. I personally love the other team scores on us every single game taking the ball out of bounds because our coach refused to play zone on out of bounds plays.
Which you seem to want to prove single . You do nothing but criticize.The man is not above criticism.
Ok, I'm not interested in this, Cut. If Cal stays at UK half as long as K is at Duke and keeps his current pace, he'll be top 5 all time in accomplishments in D1 coaching history. He'll be okay, no matter how much fake hand-wringing you do.What sucks is that if Cal doesn't win a 2nd title with all of the talent he's had, that's exactly what the narrative and national perception will be about his career at UK. Lots of recruiting success, all kinds of NBA first rounders, lots of won games, multiple trips to the final four................but only one title.
That's going to be what the media says about UK. And while you might say "who cares"? The answer is that UK fans care. There is no fan base in the world that cares more about their national perception than UK fans. So you can say whatever you want, Cal will need another title in his time at UK to not be seen as underachieving. Im sorry but that's the truth. Spin all you want, talk about final fours all you want, but at the end of the day what Finebaum said will only be the beginning if he doesn't get another championship.
Agree completely, but sometimes hiring immediately after a legend is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to have a little bit of a "letdown hire" after Cal, but I hope I'm wrong.Cal's results speak for themselves. I've always considered him a very good coach, though not necessarily in the great category. But when you look at the numbers it's hard to argue that he isn't.
Where I differ is with all those who paint such a doomsday scenario when/if he ever decides to leave.
We were the Roman Empire of College Basketball prior to his arrival and I expect we will be the Roman Empire of College Basketball long after he leaves.
with this new message board update they did, i lost all my ignores.
this thread will help me rebuild that list, but i'm afraid i don't see an ignore button. anyone know where to look for that thing?
I'm so tired of seeing fanboys throw out the the 4 FF in 5 years. That's fine but the only number that matters is 1, as in the 1 title in those years.
I doubt NBA fans would cling to 4 Western Conference Finals in 5 years. Seriously, you wanna make you argument being happy with 3rd or 4th place? Nobody brags about coming in 2nd, 3rd or 4th. I really, really hope the ones defending Cal aren't the same ones that make fun of Dean Smith for wasting all the talent he had.
All I want is a damn title. At this point, getting to these Final Fours and not winning is just making the tension worse. We should legitimately have 3 titles in Cal's 6 years here, 2 at the very least. But we don't, we have 1, and that 1 took having the best player to ever wear a Kentucky jersey to win. Not to mention a handful of other great players.
If Cal had won just 2 titles at this point then I wouldn't have this problem with him and this thread wouldn't be here.
Agree completely, but sometimes hiring immediately after a legend is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to have a little bit of a "letdown hire" after Cal, but I hope I'm wrong.
What sucks is that if Cal doesn't win a 2nd title with all of the talent he's had, that's exactly what the narrative and national perception will be about his career at UK. Lots of recruiting success, all kinds of NBA first rounders, lots of won games, multiple trips to the final four................but only one title.
That's going to be what the media says about UK. And while you might say "who cares"? The answer is that UK fans care. There is no fan base in the world that cares more about their national perception than UK fans. So you can say whatever you want, Cal will need another title in his time at UK to not be seen as underachieving. Im sorry but that's the truth. Spin all you want, talk about final fours all you want, but at the end of the day what Finebaum said will only be the beginning if he doesn't get another championship.
STOP IT..........He himself said at the beginning of the year that they would have several losses with this team. I'm not happy with the losses to Auburn,Tenn,or Ohio St but look at how this season has gone not only for us but all of CBB. It's not just us folks. I hate the New Team every year thing as much as everybody else does but BLAME THE NBA, NOT CAL...... This Team and Coach still has and will always have my support........GO CATS!!
We were the Roman Empire of College Basketball prior to his arrival and I expect we will be the Roman Empire of College Basketball long after he leaves.