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I'm so tired of seeing fanboys throw out the the 4 FF in 5 years. That's fine but the only number that matters is 1, as in the 1 title in those years.

I doubt NBA fans would cling to 4 Western Conference Finals in 5 years. Seriously, you wanna make you argument being happy with 3rd or 4th place? Nobody brags about coming in 2nd, 3rd or 4th. I really, really hope the ones defending Cal aren't the same ones that make fun of Dean Smith for wasting all the talent he had.

All I want is a damn title. At this point, getting to these Final Fours and not winning is just making the tension worse. We should legitimately have 3 titles in Cal's 6 years here, 2 at the very least. But we don't, we have 1, and that 1 took having the best player to ever wear a Kentucky jersey to win. Not to mention a handful of other great players.

If Cal had won just 2 titles at this point then I wouldn't have this problem with him and this thread wouldn't be here.
Yeah, getting to the FF is awful. Much better with Tubby and BCG. Didn't have that problem then.
Cal took freaking UMASS to the FF. UMASS. Yet imbeciles like you think he can't coach.
 
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Should he not be in position to win titles? Look at the talent he's had. Why are you telling me how incredible of a coach he was to get the best players around in a position to win it all?

Better question for you? Why didn't he win it at Memphis with D-Rose? Was he not up in the title game? Why didn't he win it in Umass with Marcus Camby?
Why didn't Rick win with Mash in '93? Why didn't he win in '97 with Mercer?
 
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Yeah, getting to the FF is awful. Much better with Tubby and BCG. Didn't have that problem then.
Cal took freaking UMASS to the FF. UMASS. Yet imbeciles like you think he can't coach.
To be fair though, UMASS already had a history of making it to the tournament before Cal got there. They did it that one time in 1962.
 
Oh wait - were you making a Maggette joke by emphasizing college team? If so, then I missed it.
 
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No college team has ever, nor will ever produce 5 lottery picks
They had five. Four that year, and then two years later Battier was a lottery pick. Just because he wasn't a lottery pick that year doesn't mean he wasn't an eventual lottery pick that was on the team. He was a sophomore that year and played 20+ minutes a game, so it's not like he was sitting the bench not contributing to the team.

So, again, that '99 team had a total of five lottery picks, including a #1 overall pick, all of which played meaningful minutes. And like I said, those guys weren't a bunch of freshman like most of Cal's guys. Four of the Five had been in the system at least two years.
 
So IOW...

you're gonna hold out for the elite recruit, who is not from Kentucky, but who is a historian by the age of 16, looks back through the seasons and records to find out if UK really is, in fact, historically greater than UNC and UCLA, and then after gathering the facts, decides that he wants to continue that string of greatness, equally valuing all of the past contributors from John Wall back to the 6'5 centers who played with short shorts before the televised era?

You're describing a hell of a lot of 5'9 50 year old white guys, but how many nationally recruited kids with pro aspirations do you think come along per decade like that? Five? That's not gonna fill a roster.

Me, I'm perfectly happy as long as we go full force at every 4+ star kid from Kentucky that grew up dreaming wildcat dreams. The rest of our elite recruits will have plenty of chances to come to love the school as they attend, like Wall, Boogie, etc have learned to do.

Beyond that, kids go to schools for coaches, and coaches go to schools for tradition. Tradition going back past 10 years only helps with kids indirectly - before that, they were sucking their thumbs or not born yet.

Kids look at it as a long-term business thing, just like every other college kid in america looks at their school choice. And if you were the parent of a five star recruit, you'd tell them to think that way.

Once again great job smacking these idiots down. You sir are one of the best to ever post on this site. Your posts deserve a freaking standing ovation. I truly mean that.
 
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Not really.

The complaints regarding zone and timeouts come out often. I personally blamed the lack of timeouts for 2010 and 15 final losses.

Cal isn't perfect, he appears stubborn in some ways (slow down ball with leads, mixing up defenses).

This thread simply has the normal Cal detractors so excited they can hardly stand it.

Lmd, Zay, Stonewall and Zippy will be wearing smiles all week.

But keep in mind girls, it's one thing to criticize coach when warranted, you jokers make it an everyday occurrence.
Totally agree with this post!!!! However I don't see how anyone can argue that we shouldn't at least TRY a zone when we are getting killed man to man. Just because the posters bringing it up are hateful trolls and I wish they go away, Cal is stubborn.
FTR there's nobody I'd rather have as a coach and love Cal to death. I hope he retires here! I just wish we'd try a zone when we're getting killed man to man.
 
STOP IT..........He himself said at the beginning of the year that they would have several losses with this team. I'm not happy with the losses to Auburn,Tenn,or Ohio St but look at how this season has gone not only for us but all of CBB. It's not just us folks. I hate the New Team every year thing as much as everybody else does but BLAME THE NBA, NOT CAL...... This Team and Coach still has and will always have my support........GO CATS!!
 
This thread is the first time people have actually acknowledged some of Cal's deficiencies as a coach. Yet we still have the same posters coming on and defending his every move. Cal is stubborn. It has cost him, and in my opinion it will continue to cost him. I've said that for a long time now and posters are finally seeing what I have been talking about. Cal's national titles will end with just the one. Anthony Davis isn't walking through that door. One and Done for Cal with titles at UK.

And you were probably in depression, for 6 months, after the last title.
 
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God, I just can't get over this quote. It's so juicy and glorious, and it validates all the irritating things that the national media says about UK fans.

"Ah guess yer okay fer now, Cal, but if you want some support, then you better get to makin' them historical runs a little bit more historical."


What sucks is that if Cal doesn't win a 2nd title with all of the talent he's had, that's exactly what the narrative and national perception will be about his career at UK. Lots of recruiting success, all kinds of NBA first rounders, lots of won games, multiple trips to the final four................but only one title.

That's going to be what the media says about UK. And while you might say "who cares"? The answer is that UK fans care. There is no fan base in the world that cares more about their national perception than UK fans. So you can say whatever you want, Cal will need another title in his time at UK to not be seen as underachieving. Im sorry but that's the truth. Spin all you want, talk about final fours all you want, but at the end of the day what Finebaum said will only be the beginning if he doesn't get another championship.
 
Because he's not! He's an excellent recruiter who is a "C" bench coach at best. He's stubborn, won't make obvious moves that need to be made and the moves he does make a lot of times hurt more than help.

We will have to have a totally stacked roster to get 9 and even that doesn't give us an overwhelming chance at it.

And to the smartasses, no I don't want him gone because there's nobody else available that's a better option. But he could be so much better than he is but refuses to be out of pride/stubbornness.

You people are too much. So, who do you think is a better hall of fame coach? Give me a frigging break. When this teams gets turned around, I'm sure you'll be at the front saying I told you so. You ought to be a UL fan. They're supposed to be the fans who are flakes.
 
It's too easy for trolls to say Cal isn't a great coach. I would just like those who say that to post the name of the coach they would rather have on our sideline. I'm sure they won't because they like to hide behind the cloak of secrecy and throw darts at Cal every chance they get. Just name ONE damn coach with a better track record than Cal has at UK. If his record means he's a lousy coach, I can live with those results.
 
It's too easy for trolls to say Cal isn't a great coach. I would just like those who say that to post the name of the coach they would rather have on our sideline. I'm sure they won't because they like to hide behind the cloak of secrecy and throw darts at Cal every chance they get. Just name ONE damn coach with a better track record than Cal has at UK. If his record means he's a lousy coach, I can live with those results.

Regrettably, rat face at Dook.
 
Sorry, don't have time to look back at this...

Is anyone actually trying to say that Cal isn't a good coach?

I swear, it is like nobody has played basketball before. People ARE aware that sometimes a good basketball player can miss a shot, right? And that a coach cannot change that? And that there are a MILLION variables out of ANYONES hands that impact how a team does?

I swear... fans are nuts.
 
Because he's not! He's an excellent recruiter who is a "C" bench coach at best. He's stubborn, won't make obvious moves that need to be made and the moves he does make a lot of times hurt more than help.
What are your qualifications to rate anyone, let alone a HOF and NC winning coach?
 
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And? That happens every other possession in man. I personally love the other team scores on us every single game taking the ball out of bounds because our coach refused to play zone on out of bounds plays.
Then why whine and cry if you personally love the fact that the other team scores. Trying to build up your number of post?
 
Cal's results speak for themselves. I've always considered him a very good coach, though not necessarily in the great category. But when you look at the numbers it's hard to argue that he isn't.

Where I differ is with all those who paint such a doomsday scenario when/if he ever decides to leave.
We were the Roman Empire of College Basketball prior to his arrival and I expect we will be the Roman Empire of College Basketball long after he leaves.
 
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What sucks is that if Cal doesn't win a 2nd title with all of the talent he's had, that's exactly what the narrative and national perception will be about his career at UK. Lots of recruiting success, all kinds of NBA first rounders, lots of won games, multiple trips to the final four................but only one title.

That's going to be what the media says about UK. And while you might say "who cares"? The answer is that UK fans care. There is no fan base in the world that cares more about their national perception than UK fans. So you can say whatever you want, Cal will need another title in his time at UK to not be seen as underachieving. Im sorry but that's the truth. Spin all you want, talk about final fours all you want, but at the end of the day what Finebaum said will only be the beginning if he doesn't get another championship.
Ok, I'm not interested in this, Cut. If Cal stays at UK half as long as K is at Duke and keeps his current pace, he'll be top 5 all time in accomplishments in D1 coaching history. He'll be okay, no matter how much fake hand-wringing you do.

What I am interested in is why you went and liked all the stuff about Duke only having 4 lottery picks, when we already demonstrated that it's not true. K failed to win the title with 5 major contributors that were lottery picks, and we listed them. Look, we all know that you think Cal sucks. But at the very least, could you not be party to spreading misinformation on the board?
 
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I will say this one thing in defense of Cut, though. Everybody trashes him constantly. And rightly so, I believe, because thinking that Cal is an average or below average coach is really, really ignorant.

But you rarely see Cut get personal with people. I think that's laudable. If he's going to constantly throw fire bombs at the board and spout all kinds of crazy malarkey, at least he's not being rude about it.
 
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with this new message board update they did, i lost all my ignores.
this thread will help me rebuild that list, but i'm afraid i don't see an ignore button. anyone know where to look for that thing?
 
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Cal's results speak for themselves. I've always considered him a very good coach, though not necessarily in the great category. But when you look at the numbers it's hard to argue that he isn't.

Where I differ is with all those who paint such a doomsday scenario when/if he ever decides to leave.
We were the Roman Empire of College Basketball prior to his arrival and I expect we will be the Roman Empire of College Basketball long after he leaves.
Agree completely, but sometimes hiring immediately after a legend is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to have a little bit of a "letdown hire" after Cal, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
with this new message board update they did, i lost all my ignores.
this thread will help me rebuild that list, but i'm afraid i don't see an ignore button. anyone know where to look for that thing?

found it!
when i get home from work today, i get to get rid of morons.

i'm so excited.
 
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I'm so tired of seeing fanboys throw out the the 4 FF in 5 years. That's fine but the only number that matters is 1, as in the 1 title in those years.

I doubt NBA fans would cling to 4 Western Conference Finals in 5 years. Seriously, you wanna make you argument being happy with 3rd or 4th place? Nobody brags about coming in 2nd, 3rd or 4th. I really, really hope the ones defending Cal aren't the same ones that make fun of Dean Smith for wasting all the talent he had.

All I want is a damn title. At this point, getting to these Final Fours and not winning is just making the tension worse. We should legitimately have 3 titles in Cal's 6 years here, 2 at the very least. But we don't, we have 1, and that 1 took having the best player to ever wear a Kentucky jersey to win. Not to mention a handful of other great players.

If Cal had won just 2 titles at this point then I wouldn't have this problem with him and this thread wouldn't be here.

You will always have problems with the head coach whom ever it is. You want a title..... You sad little boy......maybe you should sit down and write a letter to Santa?? Anyone who is dissatisfied with the results of Cal's time here will never be happy......
 
If anyone questions Cal's abilities or practices, it just confirms their lack of intelligence or confirms they are just here to troll. It's completely ridiculous. People like that will never be happy and I feel sorry for them.
 
Agree completely, but sometimes hiring immediately after a legend is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to have a little bit of a "letdown hire" after Cal, but I hope I'm wrong.

Yea it could certainly happen, but I sorta look at it this way.
People will say "do you want to go back to Tubby or BCG?" As much as I didn't like Tubbys style of play and how his tenure wound down, and as much as I was thrilled when he left... he did win a NC as well as a lot of games.
As for BCG, what I take encouraging is that our administration didn't try to ride it out & see if it would get better. They made the move & let him go after 2 years. And we moved on.

I have trust that all the powers at be in Lexington, like the fans, have too much love for UK basketball to let it slide into mediocrity simply because we lose our coach. For every Billy Clyde, we have a Rupp, a Joe B, a Pitino, and a Cal.
I like our chances. :)
 
What sucks is that if Cal doesn't win a 2nd title with all of the talent he's had, that's exactly what the narrative and national perception will be about his career at UK. Lots of recruiting success, all kinds of NBA first rounders, lots of won games, multiple trips to the final four................but only one title.

That's going to be what the media says about UK. And while you might say "who cares"? The answer is that UK fans care. There is no fan base in the world that cares more about their national perception than UK fans. So you can say whatever you want, Cal will need another title in his time at UK to not be seen as underachieving. Im sorry but that's the truth. Spin all you want, talk about final fours all you want, but at the end of the day what Finebaum said will only be the beginning if he doesn't get another championship.


The only thing that Cal needs to change is, he needs to wear blue high top Chuck Taylor Cons when he coaches. Coach Rupp always wore them.
 
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STOP IT..........He himself said at the beginning of the year that they would have several losses with this team. I'm not happy with the losses to Auburn,Tenn,or Ohio St but look at how this season has gone not only for us but all of CBB. It's not just us folks. I hate the New Team every year thing as much as everybody else does but BLAME THE NBA, NOT CAL...... This Team and Coach still has and will always have my support........GO CATS!!

I pretty much agree with you but this is a public message board and people are going to speak their mind regardless of whether it's a valid point or not. They actually have every right to do so unless they break a board rule. I'm all in with UK but we've had some pathetic losses this year so you're going to get some threads where people are pissed off making their comments.
 
I feel sad for these people. They are spending all this time complaining about Cal, they are missing this epic run we are on.

If you can't be happy with 4 final fours in 6 years, they won't be happy with anyone coaching UK
 
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We were the Roman Empire of College Basketball prior to his arrival and I expect we will be the Roman Empire of College Basketball long after he leaves.

barbarians seemed a hell of a lot closer to the gate in the decade before cal took the job than they do now

i'd much rather struggle like this, have nba talent, and end up in the final four than watch a bunch of guys like daniels & fitch (both of whom i love) hit their head on their collective ceiling
 
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