Still Think Cal Is A Great Coach?
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I agree with that. But asking is he a great coach is beyond stupid. The results speak for themselves.
We have a sh*t ton Veruca Salts on this site. It's a shame.
I agree with your breakdown.
Now you see why so many call this the Raftards.
So many people pushing the panic button right now. Amazing they have happy lives at all.
Are you new to the site when the bball team loses?
No, serious question.
No ive been on this site 7-8 years. The point Im making is that typically when one criticizes Cal its immediately met with "He's a HOF coach" or "He's been to x Final Fours" etc etc. This is the first time Ive actually seen multiple posters agree on his deficiencies (which are ones that I have said for a long time).
..I thanks maybe and this is just a maybe Ulis get tired, I know there is no one to replace him, hope once Hawk get back to his old self this will help, hard to figure why Cal does not use Hump some..
Here is a break down of FT's on the season
5 Road game losses : OPP - 35 FT's a game ____ UK - 21 FT's a game
3 Neutral games : OPP - 18 FT's a game _______UK - 17 FT's a game
12 Home court games : OPP - 18 FT's a game ____UK - 24 FT's a game
All games minus mid major opponents and the 5 loss teams above : OPP - 21 FT's______ UK - 20 FT's
I think the stats above indicate something thats wrong with college basketball as a whole right now....... The home court advantage has gotten a little out of hand.
So Yes I think Cal is still a great coach..... all coaches that have 1 title and numerous other final fours are great coaches........ I just think we don't have great enough players this year to overcome the crazy home court advantages that is plaguing college ball these days.
5 Road game losses : OPP - 35 FT's a game ____ UK - 21 FT's a game
3 Neutral games : OPP - 18 FT's a game _______UK - 17 FT's a game
12 Home court games : OPP - 18 FT's a game ____UK - 24 FT's a game
All games minus mid major opponents and the 5 loss teams above : OPP - 21 FT's______ UK - 20 FT's
I think the stats above indicate something thats wrong with college basketball as a whole right now....... The home court advantage has gotten a little out of hand.
So Yes I think Cal is still a great coach..... all coaches that have 1 title and numerous other final fours are great coaches........ I just think we don't have great enough players this year to overcome the crazy home court advantages that is plaguing college ball these days.
I've been saying it all along and it's the absolute truth. He's an excellent recruiter but a horrible x's and o's coach.
No. You're just a horrible poster and know nothing about basketball. That's not Cal's fault. How many No. 1 recruiting classes did he land at UMass or Memphis?
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Yes he is,who would be better? I really dread the day he leaves or retire, it will be a sad day for Kentucky basketball. Bash away!
Well OP, I can tell you what I know. And what I know is this...
You and CUT-NETS are the dumbest f**king posters on this entire board and give Kentucky fans a bad look.
Does Cal have faults? Yes. Do I think he's the greatest coach ever? No. Is he the best coach for our program? Look at the results. While Calipari has his shortcomings that have cost him, and will continue to cost him, I still think he's the best coach for our program. I will give him criticism, and he will accept it, as he does from other fans. There are far and few between HOF coaches who will fall on the sword for their players the way he has.
We can all play the woulda, shoulda, coulda scenario a thousand times over. But why do those scenarios only apply to Cal's tenure?
@CUT-NETS, since you're so high on Pitino, why didn't he put a man to guard Hill on the inbounds pass in 92? Why didn't he play DA in the 97 championship game? Apparently he was dunking in practice and could've played. Does that mean Pitino's title in 96 means little? No, it doesn't.
Ya'll better appreciate Cal while we got him, cause I would bet that you two d*ck-turds are some of the first posters to start complaining about the next coach we get.
You two should seriously go root for another team, cause not a single poster on this board will notice nor miss you.
You and CUT-NETS are the dumbest f**king posters on this entire board and give Kentucky fans a bad look.
Does Cal have faults? Yes. Do I think he's the greatest coach ever? No. Is he the best coach for our program? Look at the results. While Calipari has his shortcomings that have cost him, and will continue to cost him, I still think he's the best coach for our program. I will give him criticism, and he will accept it, as he does from other fans. There are far and few between HOF coaches who will fall on the sword for their players the way he has.
We can all play the woulda, shoulda, coulda scenario a thousand times over. But why do those scenarios only apply to Cal's tenure?
@CUT-NETS, since you're so high on Pitino, why didn't he put a man to guard Hill on the inbounds pass in 92? Why didn't he play DA in the 97 championship game? Apparently he was dunking in practice and could've played. Does that mean Pitino's title in 96 means little? No, it doesn't.
Ya'll better appreciate Cal while we got him, cause I would bet that you two d*ck-turds are some of the first posters to start complaining about the next coach we get.
You two should seriously go root for another team, cause not a single poster on this board will notice nor miss you.
That's the downside of opening your mouth and expressing yourself - you sort of can't help but reveal you're dummy.
And by the way, what kind of dumbass hinges his opinion on whether a coach is great or not on one conference game in February in the middle of that coach's 7th season, after 250 games? Now you have enough info to make a case?
He was a HOF coach in 2011, 2012, 2014 & 2015 but he has obviously forgotten everything he knows because he is awful now. ![[eyeroll]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/rolleye/rolleye0011.r191677.gif "Eye roll [eyeroll]")
Cal was at like a 98. He's fallen, at WORST, to maybe a 96 for me. The last 6 years I really saw no flaws. I see 2 minor flaws now, and that's about it. Placating a bit too much to recruits, and being a stubborn in nature. And honestly, both of those "flaws" have actually been benefits for us.
If he's not between 90 and 98, you're letting your judgement become cloudy.
If he's not between 90 and 98, you're letting your judgement become cloudy.
Everyone has flaws. Some here are Rival fans posing as UK fans just to stir us up..... And some are real UK fans.... I think the real UK fans who are bashing Cal's coaching for his flaws just don't watch other teams enough.... because if they did, they'd be able to spot K's flaws.... (we should all remember Pitino's flaws) Roy Williams' flaws, Bill Self's flaws, Tom Izzo's flaws...... etc.....
No missed that. What defense were we in when they scored the other 82?
To you, and others who've made similar comments, it's not THAT they scored, it's that a zone which is supposed to prevent drives and cuts to the basket, very very quickly gave up a layup at the rim. So much for "change up the defenses to confuse the offense." The only people we confused were ourselves.
Total package of a coach, the simple answer is yes. Guy can recruit, get these guys to play together, and usually get them up to speed to make noise in March each and every year. Let's not forget that. Is he stubborn? Sure. Yeah, so is Pitino, and probably every head coach in America. Few guys who have won a National Title in basketball aren't going to re-invent themselves or their system if it doesn't work one year when it's been proven it does work. We're not even finished with the year and people are going insane.
I know it's bc of last year. It stunk. It made me doubt if Cal is going to get another title too. But, let's not lose our minds. Little hypothetical setting here let's say Cal was just a good recruiter instead of the phenomenal one he is. Let's change history a bit and say Cal went to 3 FF and won a title in his 6 years here. In those 3 years he has a Top 3 recruiting class. The other years, he got to a E8, Sweet 16, and was bounced out in the first weekend. Never goes to the NIT. But the 3 years he doesn't make the FF, he gets a Top 20, Top 15 class. Good, but not great. Gets a few guys back here and there.
The crazy thing is, with that above scenario I think the people griping about Cal and his ways would be more content with the program than what our current status is. Top recruiting classes year in and year out and multiple and 4 out of 5 Final Four appearances. The biggest thing I hear from UL fans and Cal bashers who are UK fans is "With that talent, you should go to the FF!" Maybe there's a side to that I agree with but at the end of the day, Cal's a victim of his own success. We had no business being in the FF in 2011 or 2014. Those were remarkable coaching jobs. But bc we fell short those 2 years, it leaves a lot of what if's and whining. The tourney is a crapshoot, best team rarely wins, and all coaches have flaws. Enjoy where the program for UK is overall bc it is in a very good place. One we haven't seen since the mid 90's.
I know it's bc of last year. It stunk. It made me doubt if Cal is going to get another title too. But, let's not lose our minds. Little hypothetical setting here let's say Cal was just a good recruiter instead of the phenomenal one he is. Let's change history a bit and say Cal went to 3 FF and won a title in his 6 years here. In those 3 years he has a Top 3 recruiting class. The other years, he got to a E8, Sweet 16, and was bounced out in the first weekend. Never goes to the NIT. But the 3 years he doesn't make the FF, he gets a Top 20, Top 15 class. Good, but not great. Gets a few guys back here and there.
The crazy thing is, with that above scenario I think the people griping about Cal and his ways would be more content with the program than what our current status is. Top recruiting classes year in and year out and multiple and 4 out of 5 Final Four appearances. The biggest thing I hear from UL fans and Cal bashers who are UK fans is "With that talent, you should go to the FF!" Maybe there's a side to that I agree with but at the end of the day, Cal's a victim of his own success. We had no business being in the FF in 2011 or 2014. Those were remarkable coaching jobs. But bc we fell short those 2 years, it leaves a lot of what if's and whining. The tourney is a crapshoot, best team rarely wins, and all coaches have flaws. Enjoy where the program for UK is overall bc it is in a very good place. One we haven't seen since the mid 90's.
I would not trade him for any other coach out there. He is our coach and everyone is set in their ways. I hope he stays for 10 more years.
Good God, I knew the usual dumbassery would come out after this game. Cut nets, Zay, lmd ect just sit and wait for a loss so they can pop up and spew the same shit over and over. There is no doubt in my mind who cut nets is. Man he loves to stir the pot
. I was disgusted with this game but as usual I come on here and realize I'm even more disgusted with UK fans who don't appreciate a damn thing. I can't wait till Cal leaves and we snap back to reality. A final four every 5 years or so at best. You bashers are going to realize how great we've had it with Cal. Its like you forgot about the decade of mediocrity before Cal, being mired in our longest final four drought in history. Now we've got 4 in 5 years, which only 2 other coaches in history have done, K and Wooden, and you take them for granted.
When we go on our tournament run you all will disappear, until we lose and then it starts all over. Frankly some of you all make me feel embarrassed to be a UK fan. Lose your shit over a conference road game in February lol. This board is a cesspool after losses.
. I was disgusted with this game but as usual I come on here and realize I'm even more disgusted with UK fans who don't appreciate a damn thing. I can't wait till Cal leaves and we snap back to reality. A final four every 5 years or so at best. You bashers are going to realize how great we've had it with Cal. Its like you forgot about the decade of mediocrity before Cal, being mired in our longest final four drought in history. Now we've got 4 in 5 years, which only 2 other coaches in history have done, K and Wooden, and you take them for granted.
When we go on our tournament run you all will disappear, until we lose and then it starts all over. Frankly some of you all make me feel embarrassed to be a UK fan. Lose your shit over a conference road game in February lol. This board is a cesspool after losses.
The only opinion that matters is cut nets. We could win the title and still find a negative about it. Like the other teams cheerleaders missed the bus so it was an unfair advantage
Absolutely. He may not be the best bench coach, in the country, but when you grade coaches you have to consider what goes into that definition of great coach. He has to recruit, be a psychologist, run a clean program, get kids to go to class, and pass courses, get these kids to work together, deal with the media, represent the university and state with class. Cal may get a B- as a bench coach, but he gets an A in everything else. When you add all the parts, he is a great coach.
I completely agree with you. I love College Basketball and watch multiple games a week. It is my passion and has been for about 38 years. I was lucky enough to have a father that was a sports editor in Durham and went to the Triangle games regularly as a child - Duke and UNC primarily but some NC State, and other smaller colleges.
Having been a child when Coach K came to Duke and getting to know him through my father and going to school with Jamie K - I latched on to them as my team.
That said, what I wanted to agree with your post about was the point all coaches are flawed.
I will add to that is every coach has also been outcoached by a lesser coach in specific instances. Every coach has made decisions that they kicked themselves for later (I am not talking coaching philosophy decisions). Every coach has misevaluated an incoming prospect, or ended up with a team that looked great in many respects but were not the right pieces.
Every year these college coaches take on a new team - while not necessarily wholesale certainly new pieces to fit in someway with the old. Those that are at the top of the recruiting food chain have the most adjustments to make every year or two.
If someone does not think that Calipari is a great coach then they just are talking out of the wrong hole.
Yea, the coaching job at UMass was considered one of the best coaching jobs ever in turning a program around. Successful at Memphis too and not ever team were stacked with one and dones. Horrible I tell you, drink bleach.
He is without a doubt the best coach in the country. He has players struggling and they may or may not be ready by March but think about this. He's the only one in the conversation EVERY single year. Fans are spoiled. Already has a better win percentage than Rupp I believe. No one can do what he has and is doing.
This reads like a love letter to Cut-Nets. In fact, you might as well have sent it exclusively to him because no one else on this board, except a few trolls, believes the utter horseshite you're offering in this thread.
If cut nets was the AD Phil Jackson would resign immeaditely and cal would be fired because of the relationship between the two. Phil could lose 20 games a yr for 5 years but cut nets would say, well he has to get his feet wet
You're asking for the critics to do the unthinkable - actually pay attention to the strategies employed during a game.
It's far better to simply just throw out inarticulate diatribes that offer almost no solution from a strategic level.
We really need a list of those who practice such dumbassery. My thinking is it's way less than you'd think. The way I think of it is - if there were a thousand of us standing in a big room, and 10 people consistently got the mic and made stupid, crazed, paranoid, dumbassery statements, that's easy to visualize and absorb, and you'd say "Well, we got a few nuts in the crowd tonight."
But when it's just lines of text on a screen, it's hard to keep track of visually - just a handful of posters can contaminate just about every conversation.
You obviously have mistaken me for someone who gives a rat's butt about what you think. Just to keep it simple so that you can understand it, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
You should care, because he'll haunt you like a nude photo of Newt Gingrich for the rest of your life
I can't wait for the day that Cal leaves, just for the simple fact I'm going to come onto this board and laugh my ass off at all the Cal haters, when UK is struggling to land top 50 players and can't get past the Elite 8 to save their lives. Hey, at least the players will stay 4 years and the new coach might play zone, though.
Really?
You do know Cal told Dakari, Marquis, Archie, DeAndre, and others to come back, right? You make it sound like he pushed them out the door. That's patently false and anyone paying even a minimal amount of attention would know that.
That's why I think you're whole appeal in this thread is disingenuous.
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