I can only imagine his ROI for going to Kansas and getting to live it up in one of those dorms for a few months compared to playing for Cal and being developed by one Kenneth Payne
So....Will Marques Bolden choose KU because of....
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Only Kansas Fan could act like Self's Norman Dale for winning with elite recruits. ![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
"Well, Self developed this Brandon Rush kid from nothing. Then, he found these two Chicago projects- Julian Wright and Sherron Collins. Nobody ever heard of these guys until Self got a hold of them!"
Umm, they were the elite of the elite.
And Withey was a Top 50 recruit. Robinson Top 30-35. The Morris twins Top 50ish. Same with Ben McLemore.
"Well, Self developed this Brandon Rush kid from nothing. Then, he found these two Chicago projects- Julian Wright and Sherron Collins. Nobody ever heard of these guys until Self got a hold of them!"
Umm, they were the elite of the elite.
And Withey was a Top 50 recruit. Robinson Top 30-35. The Morris twins Top 50ish. Same with Ben McLemore.
He was 30-40 when he first came on your radar. I am pretty sure he ended up being ranked pretty high in that class.
Also there was a lot of talk prior to Embiid arriving on campus that he could be the #1 pick. He was a 7 footer who just started playing ball.
always makes me laugh when fans point to 1 or 2 players to prove a point. self and cal have been coaching for a while. compare the body of work. it says it all. sure there are players self did great with. sure there are players that didnt get drafted with cal. but again...look at the entire body of work.
I think you meant less with more.
**well, actually it's kind of both.
he does less with more - yes, you all are right that some higher-rated prospects have dropped in their value before the draft.
but he also HAS done more with less in taking 4-stars and taking teams of experienced 3-year players & at times taking them deeper than anticipated (i.e., such as the 2012 team that most would say was only 6 deep).
Well, Bill, you effing idiot- high school rankings DON'T EQUAL NBA Draft rankings. Dakari was never considered an elite NBA Draft prospect. He's just not athletic enough. He was always going to be a fringe 1st round/2nd round guy.
ONCE AGAIN, if you Jayhawks want to come over here and post, fine. I'm glad to talk hoops with you, but do your homework. I am getting sick and tired of having to correct your stupid posts.
Joel Embiid was ranked #14 by 24/7 by the time that he left high school. He also just started playing basketball a few years before that so he obviously was improving a ton every year so him improving that much his freshman year so that he went #3 isn't that crazy
I'm fine with giving Self credit for his work with Embiid...as long as they acknowledge that Calipari pulled the same feat with Towns this year.
The "Self develops guys better than Cal" stuff doesn't hold water...no matter how you want to frame the argument.
The "Self develops guys better than Cal" stuff doesn't hold water...no matter how you want to frame the argument.
Embiid got drafted and so far, that's all he's done. That includes my thoughts on his Kansas career also.
I don't think there's any comparison as to whose players are developed better leaving school. Our coach sees an opportunity for 1/2 of the NBA All-Star game to feature 50% of the roster being his guys. That's development.
I don't think there's any comparison as to whose players are developed better leaving school. Our coach sees an opportunity for 1/2 of the NBA All-Star game to feature 50% of the roster being his guys. That's development.
Agree. The idea that Bolden would pick Kansas over both Kentucky and Duke because of a dorm is ridiculous on its face. It's just a convenient excuse. If Bolden is backing away from Duke and Kentucky, and we don't know yet if that's going to be true, he would do it because he doesn't believe he will play. Obviously. Humphries, Adabayo, Giles figure into this calculation. Maybe others.
At the UK combine, someone said that Humphries was a possible green room lottery pick.....even maybe #1. Enough to make to make some people go elsewhere. I know we still need to replace Lee if he leaves, but getting another Alpha may be hard.
I know we still need to replace Lee if he leaves [/QUOTE]
After listening to Cal's comments at the press conference yesterday I really don't think Lee is going to be leaving. When cal talked about all the guards, Skal, Matthews and Humphries (nobody asked any questions about Mulder that I saw) there was excitement and enthusiasm in his voice. Someone specifically asked about Lee and his response involved no excitement just stating that he was working on his game and that he was still very athletic and more of a vocal leader in practice. Judging from Cal's responses I actually think he is disappointed in Lee's development over the summer and therefore I think it's highly likely Lee is a 4 year player. I do think he can be a very good defensive player this year but I don't think a more refined post game is in the cards this year.
After listening to Cal's comments at the press conference yesterday I really don't think Lee is going to be leaving. When cal talked about all the guards, Skal, Matthews and Humphries (nobody asked any questions about Mulder that I saw) there was excitement and enthusiasm in his voice. Someone specifically asked about Lee and his response involved no excitement just stating that he was working on his game and that he was still very athletic and more of a vocal leader in practice. Judging from Cal's responses I actually think he is disappointed in Lee's development over the summer and therefore I think it's highly likely Lee is a 4 year player. I do think he can be a very good defensive player this year but I don't think a more refined post game is in the cards this year.
Nominee for "Post of the Month". Has to be leading the pack at this point in the month. Will be hard to overcome for the prize this month. I'm sure there will be some other strong posts that contend but this post, my friends, is pretty damn good and will get my vote when the time comes to cast the ballots. Gotta be the favorite moving forward!
If he chooses KU, it's not because of some nice dorm room. That's just a ridiculous notion. He will choose KU because of playing time and they do offer exposure. I mean, KU is an elite school with lots to offer a kid. When they have time available and an open spot, I understand a recruit choosing KU. With that said, it's easy to question if KU is going up against us and both have the position and playing time open. Then I can see shaking your head at a KU decision cause I think Cal has a proven track record vs Self's record. But with this exact situation, I can see Bolden choosing KU, it's just logic.
One other factor Kansas has been on the Bolden trail early and often. Before he was in high school, he was on Kansas's radar.
Bolden starts from day one at KU. No competition at the 5, really. Diallo won't be back, IMHO, and they lose Mickelson and Traylor, I believe. That leaves role player Lucas as the only big as far as I know. Makes sense for him to go to KU.
Looks like Humphries will be our starter at the 5. If Lee is back at the 4, then we would be in good shape with Killeya-Jones and Wynyard backing up those two veterans. Fox, Mulder, Matthews, and Gabriel on the perimeter. That's a good 8-man rotation with the chance to add Monk. Works for me.
Looks like Humphries will be our starter at the 5. If Lee is back at the 4, then we would be in good shape with Killeya-Jones and Wynyard backing up those two veterans. Fox, Mulder, Matthews, and Gabriel on the perimeter. That's a good 8-man rotation with the chance to add Monk. Works for me.
Revisit this possibility around March and we may be singing g different tune. I'm eager to see how Marcus does this year. While SJK may have a higher ceiling, I'm not so sure he reaches that close enough to that ceiling to start over a senior Marcus Lee. Maybe so though, only time will tell and we will just have to see how Marcus does this year. He may just plateau off and he may just take off and leave this year. Here's to hoping for the taking off this year.
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Insome ways I agree, but aren't the rankings in high school geared more towards NCAA/NBA potential than college production? From my view point, I feel like they are.
Not necessarily. Some analysts factor that in a little more, but mostly it's about their impact on the college game. Look at Sherron Collins. HIGHLY touted, but no one would ever consider him a viable NBA prospect. Look at all the lists from various years.
And specifically, Dakari Johnson just was NEVER considered an elite lottery type NBA prospect. He's a honyok, a guy whose ceiling is an NBA rotation guy for 12 years. He's not an NBA athlete- the type of guy taken in the lottery. The idiot above acts like he because he was ranked around the same coming out of high school, he and Embiid were looked upon in the same way by pro scouts. Nope.
You point to Embiid- umm, he was ranked in a similar spot to Towns coming out of high school. As for the great job Self did with "lesser" recruits, well Cal developed Cauley-Stein, Darius Miller, Josh Harrellson and Liggins- ALL ranked right around and lower than the guys you listed.
If you want to argue, fine. I stuck up for Self in this thread. But come correct.
**Um, ALL of those guys I listed were elite BIG TIME recruits?!?! WIthey was lucky to be top 60-70 & transferred from 'zona. Tho. Robinson was at the same prep. school as Tharpe and wasn't being widely recruited. The Morris twins were 4-stars ranked in the what? 30's to 50's, maybe? McLemore was ranked ~ 25th...one of the top 4 stars, but still no 5-star. I certainly would argue not ALL of the guys I listed were "BIG TIME" recruits.
**Um, ok...how about that UK should already have Kilyea-Jones, W. Gabriel & Humprhies in the post AT LEAST if not the potential of someone else like even Marcus Lee returning whereas KU will likely only have Bragg (maybe / most likely), the Ole Miss transfer, Coleby & Lucas back in the post?
Could that not be a consideration for Bolden considering to play for KU over UK?!?!?
You all act like someone would be STUPID for considering another school over UK, but there can be very valid reasons particularly when it's getting crowded w/ talent at your same position at a school that you're considering.
Yes, they were all Top 30-50 recruits. Withey was Top 50. Robinson Top 30ish. Morris twins were Top 50. McLemore was Top 30. That's BIGTIME to me.
They may not have been OAD Top 10 guys, but ish- I would hope you'd expect Top 50 guys to be really good players by the their junior seasons.
You act like Self was winning with midmjaor recruits.
**REALLY?!?!?!? There's FAR MORE example of Self's success w/ 2-3 year 4 stars than there are w/ Cal!!!! Cal's all about the OADs that are NBA-ready that hardly even need "development" as you call it. The one thing in that regard that I'll bow to and give Cal credit for is how he DOES build them together as a cohesive team despite having been "the man" when they were in high school. I'll admit to him being one of the best (if not "the" best) at doing that.
I couldn't give a ish less what you'll "give" Cal as you obviously don't know what you're talking about. There are FAR MORE because Self doesn't recruit as well as Calipari...but that doesn't mean Cal hasn't done well with guys in that range, too.
Marcus Camby. Douglas-Roberts. Miller. Liggins. Harrellson (not even a Top 200 recruit). Cauley-Stein. Etc.
