So, the threats to Higgins were released. ONE was a direct threat and it was for a slap
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Always the straw man.
And he used "the children" Lol. Classic. Well I guess you're the bad guy now, justifying screaming at children. Conversation over bass wins.
It makes you wonder what goes on in their insecure minds.
Do you think this strategy of arguments have ever worked in thier lives?
So no death threats? Only a few death wishes, my own family has said worse to me. What a couple of pansies complaining about our fanbase. Y'all can suck it.
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Really? Fake news? The calls didn't happen? Threats weren't made? It wasn't referred to the FCC?
I'm delighted you think I'm the worst. Tells me my values are about right.
Over 10000 threatening calls were NOT MADE
investigators found ONE threatening call of a SLAP
It was referred AFTER local police said seven calls possibly needed to be looked at AND THAT IS FCC jurisdiction
YOU and the fake news that YOU are creating, does completely show your values, morals and ethics. And if you think that they are about right. You are a bigger embarrassment to our fan base... bye Felicia
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Actually, it is in both FCC and FBI jurisdiction. I've not seen anything where it was dismissed. Worried are you?
From strawman to red herring...you are truly artful at deflection...do you count them, like RP?
No strawman. Just giving you an example. No red herring. Just stating that the issue is in the jurisdiction of those two agencies. Very simple concepts but perhaps not to all, huh? I'm just watching it play out, hoping the guilty parties, if any, are treated like the filth they are.
You and Morggie boy on the other hand are acting like you got skin in the game. Worried about something?
You and Morggie boy on the other hand are acting like you got skin in the game. Worried about something?
Me? not worried.
But, you are so right... that one person, who threatened Higgins with a slap; should be treated just like anyone else (who has ever threatened to slap someone on a voicemail).
Didn't Baldwin do hard time for that?
I was looking forward to seeing who the idiots who made those calls were, but now that we've heard the worst examples, I highly doubt any law enforcement or government agency is going to pursue this matter. Certainly not the FBI or FCC etc.
Seriously, does anyone expect any charges to come out of these lame phone calls, only one of one which would realistically be construed as a threat (and it was a threat to slap him.)
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The worst part of all this was linked interview with Higgins where he said he plans on returning to college basketball this coming season.
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I'm not really sure those are necessarily the worst calls or if they are the only worst ones released. I would have expected that we'd have seen the FCC and FBI back out of this. To my knowledge they haven't and this strikes me as a huge inconsistency. I look forward to watching it play out. I hope any guilty parties are devastated.
I saw the same sort of defensive reaction here in AL over the Toomers Corner tree poisoning. The big claim there was 'it's just trees'. The culprit got in a heap of trouble over those trees though. I hope the same thing happens here with any culprits. As you know, I'm pretty rough on the NC and UL fan base for being tolerant of the abominations foisted on sports by those programs. I have no intention of sitting quietly by over this sort of trashy behavior in our own house. What happened, no matter the content is disgraceful.
Regardless, our morons have turned Higgins into the victim. Won't be surprised to see some whistle retribution next year. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. The report said a detective listened to over 800 voicemails and messages and found only 7 that could be considered a crime. And those 7 listed are a complete joke to anyone with a brain. None were actual death threats as had originally been reported. I don't even see how any of them could be considered criminal either. Nobody deserves jail time over any of this. I'm starting to think you have mental issues and perhaps you should get some help.
kybassfan, you are losing it. Stop trying to compare this to bigger issues, and stop acting like these were death threats. You are digging in your heels despite the evidence not backing up your exaggerated outrage.
Can we vote kybassfan off of the island? Maybe exile him/it for one year?
Mostly Louisville fans pretending to be UK fans...CR has been on sale along with sleepinol
So we're not all in agreement that the people who made these calls are weirdo losers who embarrass the fan base but that there's a huge gap between that and making death threats?
Being crude and idiotic isn't a crime. Now, can he press harassment charges? I suppose. I don't know the legal classifications on all that or what his options are.
But this is not what was initially reported. So to recap:
Some of our fans embarrassed us by acting stupid.
Higgins made serious false accusations in an effort to play the victim and exaggerate the backlash from his performance.
The sports media ran with the story but has since been silent about the reality of the investigation.
You don't have to pick sides. There's no one to defend. They're all terrible.
Being crude and idiotic isn't a crime. Now, can he press harassment charges? I suppose. I don't know the legal classifications on all that or what his options are.
But this is not what was initially reported. So to recap:
Some of our fans embarrassed us by acting stupid.
Higgins made serious false accusations in an effort to play the victim and exaggerate the backlash from his performance.
The sports media ran with the story but has since been silent about the reality of the investigation.
You don't have to pick sides. There's no one to defend. They're all terrible.
You people are defending this behavior are what gives UK fans a bad name. I don't give a damn whether he was threatened or not. People were posting fictitious ratings on the mans buisness and wishing he would fall off a house. That is not wishing harm to him. Again over a basketball game? Seriously? Yes take a look at London and tell me there is not more serious problems to worry about than whether we win a damn basketball game.
As loud as you and a few others are barking, one might think you are the guilty ones. Guilty dog barks loudest.
Do I like him, hell no. Do I think he is biased against UK, hell yes. Do I wish harm to the man or his family, hell no. You mull heads need to get a life. Everything is not about how you want it, or think it should be.
That's pretty much how I view this. A lot of guilt to throw around.
Higgins is guilty of either being a terrible ref or a ref on the take. One or the other (and I still believe someone should investigate to be sure it's not the latter). But beyond that he's definitely guilty of crying wolf and overplaying the victim card.
The person who made the video, I think it was fine for them to put together a compilation of questionable calls (in fact I've been rquesting exactly that over the years because obviously the NCAA isn't interested in regulating its rogue referees). But they did clearly cross the line when they included personal contact information about his business etc.
The people who called his home and business are guilty of being stupid and making asses of themselves. And those who made threats certainly deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
The media are guilty of sensationalizing and exaggerating a story without seeing the evidence.
The NCAA is guilty of running a broken system where officiating has very little real oversight. Beyond that, they allowed this issue with Higgins to double down on an already bad system of moving refs further to later rounds who clearly don't deserve to be there.
The local police I can't be too critical of. They obviously took their job seriously but after hearing the result (even knowing it was edited to remove vulgarities), it seems like they too overplayed the seriousness of the issue to the press and wasted a lot of resources that presumably could have been better used elsewhere, even in a place like Omaha.
Those rival fans who tried to take this issue and make it an indictment of all UK fans are guilty of opportunism and pushing a false narrative.
As far as the posters on these Higgins threads, I feel that overall most people were 1.) sympathetic to the fact that fans crossed the line and they shouldn't have threatened Higgins or his business 2.) understanding that the people who called Higgins were a subset of fans, and not indicative of the entire UK fanbase 3.) willing to wait for the actual details to emerge as to what the threats entailed and exactly who made them (i.e. not necessarily assume they were all UK fans to begin with.)
Having said that, there were a few fans on these threads who I thought didn't show enough respect to the harm done to the business.
And on the other side, a few fans who overstated the harm and used this incident to try to make it into a larger issue than it was, because they're afraid of how it makes the UK fanbase look to outsiders.
First of all, it's not even been stated that the FCC and FBI ACCEPTED these cases. Only that local law enforcement was done with them and turned them over to another authority. If these are the worst example (as has been suggested by the local police) then I highly doubt any federal agency is going to waste their time with this nonsense.
Secondly, even assuming they do drop these cases, I doubt there's going to be a news conference or press release about it. (unless someone in the media REALLY wants to pursue it, which I can't completely dismiss given the coverage of UK Basketball.)
Third, there's no inconsistency. Just a lack of reading comprehension on your part.
Fourth, why would you hope 'anyone' is devastated? That's a terribly harsh and vindictive take. I certainly hope that people learn their lessons and are held accountable for their actions, but much of this has been overblown already.
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What? How can you say that? Bass said he can't wait for that filth to be devastated...he said they completely embarrassed UK fans.
Even though it has been shown that Higgins is a criminal, with his false reports of tens of thousands of calls with many death threats.
It would be such sweet poetic justice if he was charged.
Careful, he will start implying that you made the calls...
Honestly, I think Kyassfan has backed himself into a corner and instead of admitting that he may have overreacted, he has gone into full attack mode.
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Yes. The people are bad. Shame, shame. Bad people.
The bigger issue is the sensationalist media and whiny Higgins claiming "death threats" when there appear to have been none.
That's the story here.
There is a way that Higgins could have played the victim appropriately. Instead, he appears to have falsely claimed death threats.
Shame on him.
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I don't think anyone is saying they are not horrible for doing this just that the ref and media blew it out of proportion as none of it seems to be "death threats". Heck I've heard people yell stuff this bad at high school games and again while it is horrible to say it's hardly the same as saying you want to blow up the White House and kill the president like Madonna did.
I've seen this mentioned elsewhere, but it bears repeating.
By naming his business "Rooferees," he is inviting criticism based on his refereeing performance. If he is going to trade on the fact that he's a referee, he has to take the consequences.
Not lies. But if a hundred people want to write reviews drawing attention to the fact that he is a poor (possibly corrupt) referee, and question whether or not you want to engage in business with a person like that, that is absolutely fair game, imo.
By naming his business "Rooferees," he is inviting criticism based on his refereeing performance. If he is going to trade on the fact that he's a referee, he has to take the consequences.
Not lies. But if a hundred people want to write reviews drawing attention to the fact that he is a poor (possibly corrupt) referee, and question whether or not you want to engage in business with a person like that, that is absolutely fair game, imo.
I hope you lose your posting privileges. There I said it so I guess I threatened you. You may want to go get the FBI involved.
Why does this look bad on all UK fans? I never said anything about him and I assume by your self righteous attitude you didn't either. Why does it look bad on those who didn't say anything about the man? Saying those were not death threats is not the same as condoning what was said. They were awful things to say to anyone and I wouldn't want my daughters to hear someone say those things about me but that don't make them death threats which was what the media was reporting....that he received thousands of calls and death threats.
Why do you keep associating these calls with Toomers Corner trees? You see, something actually happened then. A real crime was committed. As the Sarpy County sheriff proudly said early on in this, they can prosecute calls. The problem is, they backed out. Why? Because they had to show prosecutors their evidence and I'm sure they were told the calls don't meet the bar for prosecution. So they referred it out to the local jurisdictions. The FCC has NOTHING to do with the calls. The FCC was mentioned because they believed sports radio shows instigated the calls, which they did not. The contact info was posted on "fan sites", but that is not an FCC issue either.
The bottom line is this, no real crimes happened. The FBI and FCC won't be wasting their time with it. Sarpy County has already walked away from it, which is why they are now making the "evidence" public. This was much ado about nothing. Now stop trying to equate it to actual crimes.
Wha "other fans do" does not embarrass me period! They shouldn't have called him and anyone who read the reviews on his business should have known that they were done tongue in cheek!
And you are assigning guilt where non exists.
Oh noooooo! Fictitious ratings on a Facebook page? Say it ain't so! What vile cruelty!
People just died in London and many more were injured while you're on here complaining about strong language. Its hard to accept that people like you are so voluntarily stupid. And yet you keep doubling down on your idiotic mantra.
You need to grow a pair and stop the melt down over what has proven to be a non-incident.
What you won't let sink in to your thick skull is that this "victom" is actually the antagonist in this story? If you don't want to feel the backlash of an angry fanbase don't repeatedly try to provoke a response with multiple, severely one-sided, prejudiced, bordering on (if it hasn't already crossed the line) criminal officiating against the team with the largest fanbase in the country.
I had little sympathy for the jerk when I thought that he'd actually been threatened; zero now. I doubt those wussy little responses were enough to discourage him from doing further UK games, which I had hoped was going to be the end-product of all the hoopla.
NOBODY is defending calling the guy. NOBODY. Stop stating that as if there is any truth to it. You and kybassfan keeps railing against something that doesn't exist. Why is this so hard to understand?
I don't condone threats, obscene or otherwise. However, it is more than "just a game" with what was riding on the game...money, prestige, and passion. We were all angry and some just took it too far. I probably called Higgins a SOB several times, but just to myself. I wouldn't waste my time making calls to his business...but that's just me.
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