Too much focus on the past and not the present and future.
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I get your point and your right but I also believe the same could be said for many teams.You are kind of missing the point. This is one plausible thing that could have happened if the right AD had been in place in Indiana that would have changed the history of Indiana basketball -- and had a definite impact on Kentucky basketball. Are there reasons it would have been tough to do? Sure -- but that's what a visionary does -- ignore impediments and see the possibilities. Remember, Pitino wasn't tainted goods then. Hoosier purists might have carped about it, but a leader could have made it happen.
Bad hires. A fanbase that has lost interest, they have accepted mediocrity. In a state with an armload of talent, too much of it got away.
I think this is the beginning of the answer. Indiana was obsessed with Knight and wouldn't let him go, despite the controversies. In today's PC culture, Knight wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes after being caught on video abusing a player. But they held on to him too long. And from there, bad hires and decisions again and again have followed. Knight is still haunting them, in my opinion. A large portion of their fanbase still think he is the greatest of all time and nobody will ever measure up. I think Knight could be convicted of being a serial killer and some IU fans would still say, "Yeah, but he was a helluva coach!"Started before that. After the 1987 championship Knight had one Final Four team in 13 years, and plenty of early outs in the NCAA. That program had became stale and despite the controversies they hung on to Knight for too long.
Not sure UK would be considered among the best. UK started the movement, then others cried and were allowed to spend more money. NCAA has to approve lodging construction and gave UK the shaft a few years back. I don't remember all the details but, I would guess it is hurting recruiting more than helping these days.
Poor hires by their administration- starting with the inexplicable decision to keep Mike Davis.
This. Bob Knight was allowed to hang around far too long - 6 straight years without getting out of the first weekend. Mike Davis was a disaster who got to hang around too long because of one lucky tournament run. Sampson was a disaster who put them on probation. It's ridiculous that they gave a mediocre coach like Crean 9 years. I thought Archie would succeed but... maybe they've just let their program deteriorate so much that it'll take an elite coach to bring them back. And what elite coach wants to go there?
What happened to Indiana happened to Nebraska football and UT Football (only UT was just great in the minds of their fans...one championship in 100 years) Firing your coach too quickly....poor hires, and time passes you by. I know we all hate on Rick Pitino but if he had not come along when he did UK could very well have been in the same boat....and then after BCG Calipari saved us again....the wrong hire can bury you....we got lucky twice....
May Indiana stay buried, forgotten, consigned to the trash heap and dust bin of mediocrity and the crumbling pages of history. Here's to seeing the same happen with Louisville.
this also eeds to be underscored. basically the separation of iu and knight, and i date that around 94-97 began as we overcame them and put them out of their misery. a lot of credit to pitino for that. we took over the series and won a couple titles and they haven’t been close to us since.UK slapped IU into a coma
Indiana has shot themselves in the foot so to speak with very hire since Sampson. Even he didn’t work out but he was a great coach and recruiter. Take note that Kentucky could be where they are right now or close had it not been for hiring Calipari. You shouldn’t have to think about it much to come to that conclusion. Make no mistake Calipari resurrected a mediocre program. Another hire like Smith or Gillespie and we would be happy to crack the top 25.
So did Minnesota, Texas Tech, Memphis and High Point. Fast company for Indiana!Indiana would kill to have a coach with Tubby’s track record right now.
So did Minnesota, Texas Tech, Memphis and High Point. Fast company for Indiana!
Jay Williams missed the free throw. Part of me will always like him for that.
I was only 11, but remember watching that. Other 11 year olds back then watched nonsense on TV, I watched college hoops.
Smith won a title, IU hasnt won a title since 87. Smith went to 4 Elite 8's, you have to go back to 87 to find 4 IU elite 8's. Smith never missed the tournament, IU has missed the tournament 7 out of 11 years. Putting Smith and Gillispie in the same sentence is ridiculous, comparing the Smith era to what IU basketball is today is beyond ridiculous.Indiana has shot themselves in the foot so to speak with very hire since Sampson. Even he didn’t work out but he was a great coach and recruiter. Take note that Kentucky could be where they are right now or close had it not been for hiring Calipari. You shouldn’t have to think about it much to come to that conclusion. Make no mistake Calipari resurrected a mediocre program. Another hire like Smith or Gillespie and we would be happy to crack the top 25.
You're right. When Redneck Bob was in his hey day during the 70's and 80's Joe Hall hung in pretty well against him. Even Sutton had his moments against him. Then Pitino came in and dominated his AZZ. That's when he and IU became irrelevant. The administration tolerated his redneck ways when he was winning but once they became mediocre it was Adios Azzhole an Redneck Bob rode off into the sunset of Lubbock, Texas. YEE HAW!!UK slapped IU into a coma
it’s an identity crisis. iu doesn’t know what iu basketball is because they distanced themselves from their own tradition (bob knight). he essentially created what it became and when left he took it with him. the university thought it was strong on its own tradition without knight and they are being proven wrong. no one gives a crap about them except those who are old enough to remember bob knight winning.
Redneck Bob.You're right. When Redneck Bob was in his hey day during the 70's and 80's Joe Hall hung in pretty well against him. Even Sutton had his moments against him. Then Pitino came in and dominated his AZZ. That's when he and IU became irrelevant. The administration tolerated his redneck ways when he was winning but once they became mediocre it was Adios Azzhole an Redneck Bob rode off into the sunset of Lubbock, Texas. YEE HAW!!