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Riley Gaines / Joe Rogan

…and that none of them held these positions ten years ago(**** it, five years ago).

They have evolved. They aren’t brainwashed. You just are too ignorant to see their enlightenment.

It’s hard to believe that, “Do you know any trans?” is 2020s “I have black friends” comeback.

I can see that they are upset with us and I don’t want them to have to flee to a safe space.





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I don’t think I have ever witnessed someone not caring as much as you.

Sounds good
 
Mind your own business? So you think you are entitled to go in a womens restroom and shake your peen at women and they should just "mind their own business"? LOL. You aren't a libertarian dude. You need to read more. For one thing you seem to not understand the nonaggression principle.

If you don't understand that then you aren't a libertarian.... not even a little.

Read your first three sentences. You assert im a sexual predator and type LOL. That isn't normal and doesn't help your argument.

Secondly, I'm very interested to see how you think the non-aggression principle applies to trans swimmers.

im all ears.

Of course, the funny thing is that from the beginning I've said I think there is more merit to the argument that men transitioning to be ffemales should not be allowed to compete.

What I also said is that I think Riley Gaines is a political opportunist.

So what is it that you think we are arguing about?
 
Read your first three sentences. You assert im a sexual predator and type LOL. That isn't normal and doesn't help your argument.

Secondly, I'm very interested to see how you think the non-aggression principle applies to trans swimmers.

im all ears.

Of course, the funny thing is that from the beginning I've said I think there is more merit to the argument that men transitioning to be ffemales should not be allowed to compete.

What I also said is that I think Riley Gaines is a political opportunist.

So what is it that you think we are arguing about?
Because a dude went into a girl locker room and showed his dick to them and the ncaa forced them to accept it or pay the price. Jesus H Christ. How the hell do people like you think you are a libertarian? The state or state entity can't force someone to accept something they wouldn't accept on their own... What have you read?
 
Yea. Not you.

We just want you to stay away from children. But again, you won't renounce the sexualization of children or pedophilia. Why is that?

To be honest, you should be blacklisted even for making light of pedophilia. Obviously, no where in this thread was something remotely like that posted. I’m not going to report you, but yeah, we are done here.
 
Because a dude went into a girl locker room and showed his dick to them and the ncaa forced them to accept it or pay the price. Jesus H Christ. How the hell do people like you think you are a libertarian? The state or state entity can't force someone to accept something they wouldn't accept on their own... What have you read?
lol. What do you think being discussed here runs counter to being fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

Are you suggesting the swimmer committed sexual abuse in the locker room? Or are you saying that swimmers shouldn’t see genitalia of the opposite sex? Was a crime committed?

Uncomfortable situation for sure. I think it’s safe to say someone shouldn’t be forced to be subjugated to that. However, jumping into sexual deviancy is a pretty big jump.
 
To be honest, you should be blacklisted even for making light of pedophilia. Obviously, no where in this thread was something remotely like that posted. I’m not going to report you, but yeah, we are done here.
the same people pushing trans stuff are trying to normalize pedophila by changing it to Minor Attracted Persons. You can actually look up papers on how to normalize adults having sex with children...
 
lol. What do you think being discussed here runs counter to being fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

Are you suggesting the swimmer committed sexual abuse in the locker room? Or are you saying that swimmers shouldn’t see genitalia of the opposite sex? Was a crime committed?

Uncomfortable situation for sure. I think it’s safe to say someone shouldn’t be forced to be subjugated to that. However, jumping into sexual deviancy is a pretty big jump.
You acted like you understood the non aggression principle. If you are just a leftist weirdo.. fine... but you are claiming to be a libertarian. You don't seem to understand anything about the actual philosophy. You can't force yourself upon another. Thomas broke that rule about as clear as possible... and you keep finding ways to defend him and blame the woman... LOL
 
the same people pushing trans stuff are trying to normalize pedophila by changing it to Minor Attracted Persons. You can actually look up papers on how to normalize adults having sex with children...

Are you begging to be corrected or is this your way of arguing? Who is your target audience here? Lol
 
You acted like you understood the non aggression principle. If you are just a leftist weirdo.. fine... but you are claiming to be a libertarian. You don't seem to understand anything about the actual philosophy. You can't force yourself upon another. Thomas broke that rule about as clear as possible... and you keep finding ways to defend him and blame the woman... LOL

In your own words, please re-state what you think my position is.
 
lol



My real nature? It's simple. Don't be a dick. Embrace free market economics. And mind your own business.

Do you know what a libertarian is?


Adults are free to mutilate themselves as they see fit. Children need to be a protected class though. Anyone supporting the sexualization of children is truly awful and anyone supporting children permanently mutilating themselves is evil.

Doesn’t matter if you’re left or right or anything else. Kids need to be left alone, period. No moral standing to say otherwise.
 
What I also said is that I think Riley Gaines is a political opportunist.

You would say that about any person forced to take the lead on this issue. She was headed to dental school before all of this happened to her. Now you want to blame the victim for standing up for herself and others in her position. Is that a Libertarian position?
 
Meanwhile, the latest wrestling thread is 1130 pages long.
Women don’t even fight against men in fake wrestling unless it’s some gimmick match. But here we are in 2024 arguing who should compete against who in legit sports.

Idiocracy. Soon we’ll all be feeding our crops Gatorade because it has electrolytes. The ****in idiots are tryin to take over. It’s like bein at a zoo to just sit back and watch what the next dumbshit discussion is.
 
It would be nice if more sane people had the courage of Gaines. We wouldn’t be anywhere near where we are today if that were the case.

And it took 9 pages, but we finally have our first “fIsCaLlY cOnSeRvATiVe, SoCiALly LiBeRaL” comment.

How’s that working out for ya?

And I know a tranny. Helluva worker. Said he had a mental breakdown after his wife cheated on him and left. Always appreciated the honesty.

Hey, that makes me an ally! Although I’m still not sure how knowing a tranny somehow enlightens one to the point of ignoring their mental illness and arguing in favor of letting them beat the shit out of women in sports. But maybe I’ll get there one day 🤷‍♂️
 
It would be nice if more sane people had the courage of Gaines. We wouldn’t be anywhere near where we are today if that were the case.

And it took 9 pages, but we finally have our first “fIsCaLlY cOnSeRvATiVe, SoCiALly LiBeRaL” comment.

How’s that working out for ya?

And I know a tranny. Helluva worker. Said he had a mental breakdown after his wife cheated on him and left. Always appreciated the honesty.

Hey, that makes me an ally! Although I’m still not sure how knowing a tranny somehow enlightens one to the point of ignoring their mental illness and arguing in favor of letting them beat the shit out of women in sports. But maybe I’ll get there one day 🤷‍♂️
That's the thing... people think we are "angry" because of this... It's more of disbelief that people are going along with this crap. If Thomas wants to dress as a woman or get top and bottom surgery... Fine by me. Don't make me pay for it and don't make anyone have to do anything to affirm his choice.

But it is actually a crime for a man to expose himself to a woman. The ncaa forced women to sit in a room while a dude did just that. 5 years ago everyone would be irate over this. Whoever at the ncaa made that call would be fired and publicly humiliated. Now we have to pretend that because he grew his hair out and wore makeup that he's a girl. We are sacrificing a generation of kids just to feel good about how accepting we are.
 
That's the thing... people think we are "angry" because of this... It's more of disbelief that people are going along with this crap. If Thomas wants to dress as a woman or get top and bottom surgery... Fine by me. Don't make me pay for it and don't make anyone have to do anything to affirm his choice.

But it is actually a crime for a man to expose himself to a woman. The ncaa forced women to sit in a room while a dude did just that. 5 years ago everyone would be irate over this. Whoever at the ncaa made that call would be fired and publicly humiliated. Now we have to pretend that because he grew his hair out and wore makeup that he's a girl. We are sacrificing a generation of kids just to feel good about how accepting we are.

A fallacy has been stated in this thread by at least 2 posters, both of whom use the fallacy to avoid the central issue. The fallacy is premised upon the misrepresentation that if you know and love a trans person, your perspective on the central issue will somehow miraculously change. The false assumption is that people who believe it is scientifically unfair for biological men to compete in women’s sports don’t know trans people. They ignore the people who inform that they, in fact, do know trans people, but knowledge of a person does not change the truth about physiological differences between biological men and biological women.

The red herrings presented by these few posters don’t change the truth.

Likewise, whether you like Riley Gaines or not does not change the truth. So, harping on her personality or secondary motivations is just a red herring. Or, laughably, the way she looks, as one goofhead did. The truth remains the truth.

One last thing, and I hesitate to mention this, because the red herring lovers will simply just focus on this one point, I sincerely doubt that my friend who now identifies as a woman would want to reveal his penis, if he still has one, to a room full of women. If you truly wanted to be seen as a woman, you would not want the obvious evidence to the contrary to be revealed. No woman has a penis (yes, we know goofiness may attempt to reject this truth and we will have contrarians talk about hermaphroditism in a fruitless attempt to oppose truth, but it remains true). Because no biological woman has a penis, I don’t think my friend would want his on display as he “transitions”).

Lia Thomas appears to be right where he wants to be, portraying a woman while still physically being undeniably a man. First, that belies his claim to womanhood and, second, that denies any theoretical right he may have to compete as a woman.

I will let the experts refute this, if there is a rebuttable, but he appears to be more transvestite than trans woman. From an identity perspective, if you keep your penis, you are not truly committed to portraying a woman, let alone being a woman.

All that said, as long as he keeps it in his skirt, he can do what he wants. When he forces women to see his junk, he is just being weird and we don’t have to force his weirdness on others. I hope the lawsuit is successful.
 
You don't have a clue what you're blabbering on about. The "science" is there and has been for a long time. Get with the times. The brains of trans people are actually very similar to the brains of the sex they identify as. That's proven with science. The actual DSM-V states that gender identity is not a mental illness, and these are scientists and psychologists at the highest level stating this after MUCH RESEARCH. The actual process for getting a child on puberty blockers is a lengthy one composed of various stages of gatekeeping, and is supported with the observations of those who are a part of that child's life. Only dangerous people should be sent to Guantanamo, you'd fit in great there. Go educate yourself, sir, instead of compensating for your lack of maturity and goodwill on here. You'll actually have something to say.
You probably would dox people and have them fired because they posted something you disagreed with on Facebook.
 
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You don't have a clue what you're blabbering on about. The "science" is there and has been for a long time. Get with the times. The brains of trans people are actually very similar to the brains of the sex they identify as. That's proven with science. The actual DSM-V states that gender identity is not a mental illness, and these are scientists and psychologists at the highest level stating this after MUCH RESEARCH. The actual process for getting a child on puberty blockers is a lengthy one composed of various stages of gatekeeping, and is supported with the observations of those who are a part of that child's life. Only dangerous people should be sent to Guantanamo, you'd fit in great there. Go educate yourself, sir, instead of compensating for your lack of maturity and goodwill on here. You'll actually have something to say.

Quack medicine.
 
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It would be nice if more sane people had the courage of Gaines. We wouldn’t be anywhere near where we are today if that were the case.

And it took 9 pages, but we finally have our first “fIsCaLlY cOnSeRvATiVe, SoCiALly LiBeRaL” comment.

How’s that working out for ya?

And I know a tranny. Helluva worker. Said he had a mental breakdown after his wife cheated on him and left. Always appreciated the honesty.

Hey, that makes me an ally! Although I’m still not sure how knowing a tranny somehow enlightens one to the point of ignoring their mental illness and arguing in favor of letting them beat the shit out of women in sports. But maybe I’ll get there one day 🤷‍♂️
Nothing you stated is fact.
 
Adults are free to mutilate themselves as they see fit. Children need to be a protected class though. Anyone supporting the sexualization of children is truly awful and anyone supporting children permanently mutilating themselves is evil.

Doesn’t matter if you’re left or right or anything else. Kids need to be left alone, period. No moral standing to say otherwise.
Let parents and doctors decide what's best for their children. Worry about your own self.
 
Tell us more.
Again?

 
Let parents and doctors decide what's best for their children. Worry about your own self.


You’re a disgusting person. So are you ok if parents give drugs and alcohol to a young child? How about the doctor? Are you ok if they want to engage in sexual activity with a small child?

Where is the line or does one not exist?
 
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You don't have a clue what you're blabbering on about. The "science" is there and has been for a long time. Get with the times. The brains of trans people are actually very similar to the brains of the sex they identify as. That's proven with science. The actual DSM-V states that gender identity is not a mental illness, and these are scientists and psychologists at the highest level stating this after MUCH RESEARCH. The actual process for getting a child on puberty blockers is a lengthy one composed of various stages of gatekeeping, and is supported with the observations of those who are a part of that child's life. Only dangerous people should be sent to Guantanamo, you'd fit in great there. Go educate yourself, sir, instead of compensating for your lack of maturity and goodwill on here. You'll actually have something to say.
How do you plan on changing the biology, DNA, and bone structure of a trans person?
 
You don't have a clue what you're blabbering on about. The "science" is there and has been for a long time. Get with the times. The brains of trans people are actually very similar to the brains of the sex they identify as. That's proven with science. The actual DSM-V states that gender identity is not a mental illness, and these are scientists and psychologists at the highest level stating this after MUCH RESEARCH. The actual process for getting a child on puberty blockers is a lengthy one composed of various stages of gatekeeping, and is supported with the observations of those who are a part of that child's life. Only dangerous people should be sent to Guantanamo, you'd fit in great there. Go educate yourself, sir, instead of compensating for your lack of maturity and goodwill on here. You'll actually have something to say.
Actually, that's not true at all.
 
Women don’t even fight against men in fake wrestling unless it’s some gimmick match. But here we are in 2024 arguing who should compete against who in legit sports.

Idiocracy. Soon we’ll all be feeding our crops Gatorade because it has electrolytes. The ****in idiots are tryin to take over. It’s like bein at a zoo to just sit back and watch what the next dumbshit discussion is.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
 
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How do you plan on changing the biology, DNA, and bone structure of a trans person?
It's not about changing the biology. It seems the only ones trying to make that the argument are the ones who don't agree with the whole trans person. Gender is not the same thing as sex. And there are technically three sexes. Female, Intersex and Male. In that order. Gender only has to do with the degree to which sex(es) one identifies as. As far as I'm aware not only person is saying "I am a biological [sex])". When you see people on a day to day basis, going by outside appearances, if you're a decent person who doesn't obsess with what someone has under their clothing, then you're not thinking about their biology, DNA and bone structure. We're going around in circles here simply because people aren't being told what they want to hear. My advice is that if someone doesn't agree with someone else's gender, religion, politics or what have you, then it's best for all parties for one to just move along and worry about his or her self.
 
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It's not about changing the biology. It seems the only ones trying to make that the argument are the ones who don't agree with the whole trans person. Gender is not the same thing as sex. And there are technically three sexes. Female, Intersex and Male. In that order. Gender only has to do with the degree to which sex(es) one identifies as. As far as I'm aware not only person is saying "I am a biological [sex])". When you see people on a day to day basis, going by outside appearances, if you're a decent person who doesn't obsess with what someone has under their clothing, then you're not thinking about their biology, DNA and bone structure. We're going around in circles here simply because people aren't being told what they want to hear. My advice is that if someone doesn't agree with someone else's gender, religion, politics or what have you, then it's best for all parties for one to just move along and worry about his or her self.
What happened to this country man.
 
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Nothing you stated is fact.
I see. Only you get to determine what is and what is not fact. And what language we use and how we are supposed to think.

Guess what? I don’t give a damn about you language and thought nazis. I’ll say and think what I want.

You whacked out leftists may be able to bully the medical community into bending the knee to your inane, destructive cultural views, but you don’t get to do that to the rest of us.
 
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