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Quit the whining please!

I was hot after the game. Ridiculous amount of free throws.

After cooling off, I reminded myself I was NOT going to blame the refs if we lost...... Due to the fact our bigs have been foul prone all year. If it had been our guards doing all the fouling, I might still be heated. However, it was our usual suspects.

Now, 47 free throws is excessive. And some of those fouls were crap calls they gave to the offensive player for jumping into our bigs. But, those happen in every game and at a higher rate for the home team.

Gotta take a step back and give Kansas props for playing a little bit better down the stretch. No (more) crying from me.
I think the real credit had to go to Self for his defensive strategy and pulling a crazy combo zone from the back of his filing cabinet. I don't like the approach because I think it is gimmicky and would much rather stand toe-to-toe if I'm one of the best teams in the country, but the bottom line is that he did what had to be done to win.
 
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The bigger question is moving forward. The KU game is done. But in terms of going far in the tournament, this is something that needs corrected with our bigs.

Is this something that can be corrected tho? Skal and Lee are the biggest problems in this area. I think this is much harder to correct than say a turnover problem or rebounding for that matter.
 
I think the real credit had to go to Self for his defensive strategy and pulling a crazy combo zone from the back of his filing cabinet. I don't like the approach because I think it is gimmicky and would much rather stand toe-to-toe if I'm one of the best teams in the country, but the bottom line is that he did what had to be done to win.

It was a bit gimmicky. Tho I have to say his team came into that game having lost 3 of their last 5. I don't follow KU but I can't imagine in the Self era there's been many times they have lost 3 of 5 games.

At that point you do anything u can to win. They have major problems keeping guards out of the lane. It's been an issue for them. They rank 38th in defensive efficiency. It's not horrible but it's the worst mark under Self.
 
KU this season is only outscoring it's conference opponents by .02 points per possession. They only rank 4th in offensive efficiency and only 5th outta 10 teams in defensive efficiency.

Granted the Big 12 this season is very good, but those numbers would suggest that KU isn't nearly as good as they have been in the past.
 
Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.
Use your head man! Of course we aren't going to cry about a disparity in our favor - WE ROOT FOR UK, and there's no need to reference such a thing after a win. HOWEVER, if we get screwed like we did at KU, in a close game that we very easily could have won, then HELL YES we're going to bring it up. Some of you all amaze me, it's like you look for a reason to denigrate "your team".
 
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I agree with most of your points, but to act like a team who shot almost 25 more free throws against us didn't have any effect on the game is pure nonsense. They scored damn near a third of their points from the free throw line. That's ridiculous.

My point is that even if you buy into some vast conspiracy between the refs, Vegas, or whomever, the game was still in our control. Even if one subscribes to the refs being completely incompetent (but mostly when they're calling our games), the game was ours to win or lose right up till the end of regulation.

I don't believe any of this stuff with the refs. I do believe there were things we could have done to win that game. Its far more productive to focus on those aspects of play. I don't believe that Kansas won much of anything. I think they were just standing around when we lost. We lost because of things we did and didn't do, not because of the officiating.
 
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Use your head man! Of course we aren't going to cry about a disparity in our favor - WE ROOT FOR UK, and there's no need to reference such a thing after a win. HOWEVER, if we get screwed like we did at KU in close game that we very easily could have won, then HELL YES we're going to bring it up. So of you all amaze me, it's like you look for a reason to denigrate "your team".

Blaming the refs won't help solve the team's real issue. I'm 100% sure that everything that was said on this board in this thread about our bigs fouling too much, Cal is behind the scenes addressing. He knows it's an issue. So we can be honest about it as well.
 
I've disagreed with TheAnswer on plenty of occasions - mainly on the importance of making free throws - but I have never seen him denigrate the team. He is true blue. He's just a huuuuuge numbers/stats guy. I enjoy that perspective........except on free throws.
 
My point is that even if you buy into some vast conspiracy between the refs, Vegas, or whomever, the game was still in our control. Even if one subscribes to the refs being completely incompetent (but mostly when they're calling our games), the game was ours to win or lose right up till the end of regulation.

I don't believe any of this stuff with the refs. I do believe there were things we could have done to win that game. Its far more productive to focus on those aspects of play. I don't believe that Kansas won much of anything. I think they were just standing around when we lost. We lost because of things we did and didn't do, not because of the officiating.

What's to believe? AFH has a reputation as a homer den, we were in control, they fouled out our entire frontcourt and they took 47 FTs, their most in 20 years.

What exactly don't you believe? ^ All that happened.
 
Kansas never is as good as they seem. The gaudy record they usually finish with is an absolute mirage. An intelligent college basketball fan knows KU's true record is 15-6, which makes them a borderline top 25 team. The NCAA tournament is proof of how the squawks r a paper tiger. When they don't play in the center of college basketball corruption, the squawks r an average team. Ask Bradley, Bucknell, VCU, & the myriad of other average teams that spank the crap out of the constantly over-rated fictitious birds.
 
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It was a bit gimmicky. Tho I have to say his team came into that game having lost 3 of their last 5. I don't follow KU but I can't imagine in the Self era there's been many times they have lost 3 of 5 games.

At that point you do anything u can to win. They have major problems keeping guards out of the lane. It's been an issue for them. They rank 38th in defensive efficiency. It's not horrible but it's the worst mark under Self.
Moreso that that, I think coming into a game with us you ask yourself "What is the key for them?" and you answer "Tyler Ulis and to lesser extent Jamal Murray". So what do you do when you have 2 key players that you want to disrupt? Triangle and 2. And it was effective at frustrating Ulis (which is highly uncharacteristic). That alone gave them an advantage.
 
I've disagreed with TheAnswer on plenty of occasions - mainly on the importance of making free throws - but I have never seen him denigrate the team. He is true blue. He's just a huuuuuge numbers/stats guy. I enjoy that perspective........except on free throws.

I'm just surprised anyone would think I wasn't. I live and die by this team lol.
 
What's to believe? AFH has a reputation as a homer den, we were in control, they fouled out our entire frontcourt and they took 47 FTs, their most in 20 years.

What exactly don't you believe? ^ All that happened.

Poor thing. Maybe remedial reading will help you.

I said, even if that nonsense were true, the game was still in our control. I'm guessing Cal is focusing on the things that could have won that game. I doubt he's wasting much time on silly conspiracy theories. The message I took away from that game was that we need to work on 3pt defense and concentrate more on rebounding at the expense of blocking shots. The refs are gonna do what the refs are gonna do.

However, if you prefer to deal with vast conspiracies, you could contact Fox Mulder. I hear the X-Files have been reopened.
 
Moreso that that, I think coming into a game with us you ask yourself "What is the key for them?" and you answer "Tyler Ulis and to lesser extent Jamal Murray". So what do you do when you have 2 key players that you want to disrupt? Triangle and 2. And it was effective at frustrating Ulis (which is highly uncharacteristic). That alone gave them an advantage.

Yeah and on that note another thing I was really surprised about......in the second half when they switched the defense and contained Tyler, I really thought Murray would try to take the game over. He didn't. Only took 11 shots the entire game. If Ulis isn't scoring and Murray isn't scoring, and you got Willis in foul trouble.....where are our points coming from.

Another thing I think that gets lost in this was KU taking better care of the ball on offense in the second half. They turned it over on nearly 30% of their possessions in the first half. `11 turnovers I believe vs just 4 after the break. They shot well all game so just the mere fact they held the ball more in the second half it was always going to be trouble for us.
 
Pat Adams has done 3 UK games this year... 1 win , UL at home which was a 2pt game... and 2 losses... @KU and @LSU

UK -- 70 FT's
OPP 99 FT's

UK --- 77 fouls
OPP - 58 fouls

doesnt mean there is a conspiracy .... but it does appear that Pat Adams might not like Cal or UK.....
 
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In fairness, they all still heated from that foul fest. Don't want to hear it's been a problem all year for the usual suspects.

Can't blame them. I was the same way until this morning. I still think it was excessive, but not worth crying about for more than a day of two.
 
Poor thing. Maybe remedial reading will help you.

I said, even if that nonsense were true, the game was still in our control. I'm guessing Cal is focusing on the things that could have won that game. I doubt he's wasting much time on silly conspiracy theories. The message I took away from was that we need to work on 3pt defense and concentrate more on rebounding at the expense of blocking shots. The refs are gonna do what the refs are gonna do.

However, if you prefer to deal with vast conspiracies, you could contact Fox Mulder. I hear the X-Files have been reopened.

Don't be a dick to me, buddy. I'm not claiming conspiracies. Everything I wrote happened.
 
concentrate more on rebounding at the expense of blocking shots.

It's always been something during the Cal era. Our defensive rebounding numbers aren't great because we block alot of shots and it puts us in poor positions to rebound.

That being said, it's a give and take. Playing this way we give up more on the boards but blocking shots (and to an equally important aspect alter shots) drives opponents shooting numbers down. In the end, that's more important that the rebounding in terms of efficiency. So I'm ok with it. We aren't blocking as many shots this year but we still rank 20th in blocked shots. So we are getting enough. Also FWIW our defensive rebounding % is ranked 179th so nearly average. That might not sound good but its at least better than last years where we ranked 211th in this regard.
 
In fairness, they all still heated from that foul fest. Don't want to hear it's been a problem all year for the usual suspects.

Can't blame them. I was the same way until this morning. I still think it was excessive, but not worth crying about for more than a day of two.

I think it speaks to a larger issue to. While I'm not one to believe the refs are for or against one team. I do think in an effort to help offenses, they have changed the rules. These rules lead to more fouling.

Everyone loves offense and scoring but I'm sure no one wants to see a free throw contest each game.

My wife is a big WVU fan. This is a team that's 6th in getting to the line and 351st in fouling. There was a stat that said when you watch a WVU game this season, a foul has been called every 35 seconds. It's crazy. It makes games unwatchable almost IMO. I hope they do something about this.
 
Pat Adams has done 3 UK games this year... 1 win , UL at home which was a 2pt game... and 2 losses... @KU and @LSU

UK -- 70 FT's
OPP 99 FT's

UK --- 77 fouls
OPP - 58 fouls

Ok, so, where does that assumption (Pat Adams is out to get us) lead us. There were two other officials on the floor and a number of scorers, national media, etc. If this is so obvious, those witnesses must be complicit, ignorant or insensitive. If they are complicit, this is the biggest story of corruption to hit the sports world in decades. I would recommend reporting it to the police as racketeering charges are likely appropriate. If they are ignorant, then everyone must be ignorant as nobody in a position of influence in all of basketball ever does anything about that den of cheats othewise known as Allen Fieid House. Lastly, if everyone is insensitive, then we have media passing up a huge story. But I know one thing about the media. They are like sharks. You put blood in the water, they will feed. They have no choice. So all these implications are implausible. That can be true only if the assumption is implausible.
 
Not only that but we are talking about three games here. 3 games in a season where fouling hasn't exactly been out of the norm for us

He's got me on ignore I think but how about posting numbers from all the games Pat has done since Cal has gotten here?
 
Yeah and on that note another thing I was really surprised about......in the second half when they switched the defense and contained Tyler, I really thought Murray would try to take the game over. He didn't. Only took 11 shots the entire game. If Ulis isn't scoring and Murray isn't scoring, and you got Willis in foul trouble.....where are our points coming from.

Another thing I think that gets lost in this was KU taking better care of the ball on offense in the second half. They turned it over on nearly 30% of their possessions in the first half. `11 turnovers I believe vs just 4 after the break. They shot well all game so just the mere fact they held the ball more in the second half it was always going to be trouble for us.
Well the defense was set to contain both he and Ulis, so I don't think he would be able to take over. As far as fewer turnovers, that goes back to our previous discussion in which we were not in agreement.
 
Who said it was a grand conspiracy??? If Adams doesnt like UK..... that's natural bias... not conspiracy.

But since you refuse to believe its possible ... here's an article for you to read. Its about the Pac 12 scandal from just 3 years ago

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/21989633

Not saying thats whats going on...... once again.. I'M NOT SAYING THATS WHATS GOING ON..

What I am saying however is that crap like that happens ... to think otherwise is being too naive
 
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It's always been something during the Cal era. Our defensive rebounding numbers aren't great because we block alot of shots and it puts us in poor positions to rebound.

That being said, it's a give and take. Playing this way we give up more on the boards but blocking shots (and to an equally important aspect alter shots) drives opponents shooting numbers down. In the end, that's more important that the rebounding in terms of efficiency. So I'm ok with it. We aren't blocking as many shots this year but we still rank 20th in blocked shots. So we are getting enough. Also FWIW our defensive rebounding % is ranked 179th so nearly average. That might not sound good but its at least better than last years where we ranked 211th in this regard.

I don't really disagree with your comments. I think, however, that our greatest shot blockers were good at knowing what they could get to and what they couldn't. I'm not so sure we are doing that very well these days. In Skal's and Lee's case, I'd be happy if they concentrated on staying straight up on D and rebounding
 
Maybe Pat Adams just calls more fouls in general compared to other refs.

I mean to post three game's worth and conclude Adams doesn't like UK isn't accurate.
 
I think it speaks to a larger issue to. While I'm not one to believe the refs are for or against one team. I do think in an effort to help offenses, they have changed the rules. These rules lead to more fouling.

Everyone loves offense and scoring but I'm sure no one wants to see a free throw contest each game.

My wife is a big WVU fan. This is a team that's 6th in getting to the line and 351st in fouling. There was a stat that said when you watch a WVU game this season, a foul has been called every 35 seconds. It's crazy. It makes games unwatchable almost IMO. I hope they do something about this.

The offensive reffing "change" to me meant more freedom of motion, less handchecking out top and as guys drive- stuff that Pitino, Mike Anderson and Huggins teach that uglies up the game. That's not what got UK in trouble. UK got killed on over-the-backs and defending baskets at the rim. It wasn't called both ways and it was BS.
 
Who said it was a grand conspiracy??? If Adams doesnt like UK..... that's natural bias... not conspiracy.

But since you refuse to believe its possible ... here's an article for you to read. Its about the Pac 12 scandal from just 3 years ago

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/21989633

Not saying thats whats going on...... once again.. I'M NOT SAYING THATS WHATS GOING ON..

What I am saying however is that crap like that happens and you refusing to believe it happens is ignorance and naivety of a high order


Thanks for proving my point. Events in the Pac 12 proceeded exactly along the lines I suggested. If there is no grand conspiracy, why is there not an investigation of this heinous official with a personal vendetta against us?
 
I don't really disagree with your comments. I think, however, that our greatest shot blockers were good at knowing what they could get to and what they couldn't. I'm not so sure we are doing that very well these days. In Skal's and Lee's case, I'd be happy if they concentrated on staying straight up on D and rebounding

I agree. In the past our big shot blocks all did very well rebounding.

Lee is fine I think. But Skal has to rebound more than he is. When Briscoe is getting more defensive rebounds than Skal is, something is off.
 
Don't be a dick to me, buddy. I'm not claiming conspiracies. Everything I wrote happened.

And I corrected you on what I actually said. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had trouble reading. Otherwise you misrepresented me intentionally.
 
Thanks for proving my point. Events in the Pac 12 proceeded exactly along the lines I suggested. If there is no grand conspiracy, why is there not an investigation of this heinous official with a personal vendetta against us?

um... well right off the top of my head .... it took officials at the meeting blowing the whistle there. You don't see officials turning on each other like that so this was a rare case
 
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What's to believe? AFH has a reputation as a homer den, we were in control, they fouled out our entire frontcourt and they took 47 FTs, their most in 20 years.

What exactly don't you believe? ^ All that happened.
If Kansas played (deliberately lowballed number) 30 games a year for 20 years. that's 600 games. By those numbers, they've had 598 games out of their past 600 in which they shot fewer free-throws than they did against a Top-25 ranked Kentucky team. We're talking about all the Alcorn States, EKUs, Citadels, VMIs, East Northwestern Wyoming State Tech, all the myriad cupcakes they've played over the last 600 games. Those are some long odds right there.
 
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I think the real credit had to go to Self for his defensive strategy and pulling a crazy combo zone from the back of his filing cabinet.
I keep reading this, but that zone didn't totally fluster Cal, take UK out if their offense and win the game like some of you are making it out to be. Self is being given way to much credit.

UK got plenty of wide open looks against that zone. Problem was, they kept missing the shots. If they hit just one of the dozen wide open shots they missed, game over, UK wins, and everyone is laughing at how Self tried to use a junk defense.
 
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16 of the 47 attempts came in OT.

If the game doesn't go into OT 31 isn't an unreasonable amount of free throw attempts in a given game.

We've had plenty games in the past 5 years where we were in the 40s in regulation
 
To the KU fans coming over the "discuss" - make no mistake - you're here to gloat - not discuss. We in the business call this a huge douche/jackass move - so don't be shocked if you are not patted on the back and appreciated for your viewpoint. Use some common sense.

To the Answer1313 guy - clearly you've been on here a while and have some fans, but when you have to dominate a thread with posts and attempt to browbeat others into submission to your statistically backed opinion, you may, just may, be missing something. What many on here are trying to get you to do, which you are unwilling to do, is look at what happened on the court and discern. One cannot statistically document a foul that was not called. You'd have to watch so see what happened. One can document a crap foul that was called. You'd have to watch to know it was a crap foul (ie, Willis' 5th). You'd have to ignore KU's defense to think they did not foul. Additionally - there are many things that go into the way a game is played AND called that impact a game. For example - when you are a rim protector with 4 fouls, some of which you feel were not fouls, you tend to play less aggressively on defense to remain in the game. It impacts how you play the game (I know - so you'd say - "then don't foul"). Players cannot control how the refs choose or even determine to call a game. Another example in that game was the phantom turn-over calls.

So... while you've made your point, with great redundancy, that UK lost and it's their own fault because they foul too much. Many who observed the game see a disparity in HOW the game was called, as well as the disparity in the statistics of both fouls called (and not called) and free throws attempted, that many would say indicates HOW the game was called. Players can exhibit patterns, but also some games are tougher match ups - or a player has a poor game. It requires more than stats to form an opinion. Personally, I think players get certain reputations with refs, and many times fouls are called as such - or if refs need to call a foul on a team they will do so on a less essential player because it's an easy bail out for refs (ie. Polson used to get called for so much crap - Dom got at least one of these, if not two, Saturday - which put KU in the bonus more quickly) Those cheap calls greatly impact a game, putting a team in the bonus more quickly, limit available personnel, and impact how a team can defend and a coaches options.

You say to ignore we are a fouling team is foolish, and your repeated attempts to get people to recognize that is simply your altruistic best thoughts for the team. Maybe so, maybe not. It's clear you have your opinion. Can others who observed the game have theirs as well? I've said once and I will say again, If in their remaining away games KU is willing to spot each opponent 25 FTA's and allow their 4 bigs to foul out, then I will give them all the credit that they are fair minded. Fact is, it took just that against UK to get it done. Oklahoma got jobbed there too - most people do get jobbed there. My biggest disappointment and I think Cal's too from his presser, is despite all of that - we were still in a position to win and failed to execute.

Lastly - and this is far too long... To say UK didn't get the bad end of reffing for that game is simply to plant your head in the sand on KU's defense and arm bar driving on offense. Selden played great - hit clutch shots. Perry Ellis is a scared pup against talent - will not produce in the NBA. Mason III is as annoying a player to watch as any I've seen. After that game I'm more convinced than ever that KU unless propped up by some very favorable reffing, is not that good a team or even program. Shaka's coming for you Bill, Kruger is already there.
 
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I keep reading this, but that zone didn't totally fluster Cal, take UK out if their offense and win the game like some of you are making it out to be. Self is being given way to much credit.

UK got plenty of wide open looks against that zone. Problem was, they kept missing the shots. If they hit just one of the dozen wide open shots they missed, game over, UK wins, and everyone is laughing at how Self tried to use a junk defense.

Your right. It did leave open shots but what it also did was stop any penetration we were getting in the paint. Ulis driving the ball is what killed them in the first half. Their defense took him away. Self basically rolled the dice and said ok beat me with the other guys not named Murray and Ulis. So in that regard, it worked
 
To the Answer1313 guy - clearly you've been on here a while and have some fans, but when you have to dominate a thread with posts and attempt to browbeat others into submission to your statistically backed opinion, you may, just may, be missing something. What many on here are trying to get you to do, which you are unwilling to do, is look at what happened on the court and discern. One cannot statistically document a foul that was not called. You'd have to watch so see what happened. One can document a crap foul that was called. You'd have to watch to know it was a crap foul (ie, Willis' 5th). You'd have to ignore KU's defense to think they did not foul. Additionally - there are many things that go into the way a game is played AND called that impact a game. For example - when you are a rim protector with 4 fouls, some of which you feel were not fouls, you tend to play less aggressively on defense to remain in the game. It impacts how you play the game (I know - so you'd say - "then don't foul"). Players cannot control how the refs choose or even determine to call a game. Another example in that game was the phantom turn-over calls.

So... while you've made your point, with great redundancy, that UK lost and it's their own fault because they foul too much. Many who observed the game see a disparity in HOW the game was called, as well as the disparity in the statistics of both fouls called (and not called) and free throws attempted, that many would say indicates HOW the game was called. Players can exhibit patterns, but also some games are tougher match ups - or a player has a poor game. It requires more than stats to form an opinion. Personally, I think players get certain reputations with refs, and many times fouls are called as such - or if refs need to call a foul on a team they will do so on a less essential player because it's an easy bail out for refs (ie. Polson used to get called for so much crap - Dom got at least one of these, if not two, Saturday - which put KU in the bonus more quickly) Those cheap calls greatly impact a game, putting a team in the bonus more quickly, limit available personnel, and impact how a team can defend and a coaches options.

You say to ignore we are a fouling team is foolish, and your repeated attempts to get people to recognize that is simply your altruistic best thoughts for the team. Maybe so, maybe not. It's clear you have your opinion. Can others who observed the game have theirs as well? I've said once and I will say again, If in their remaining away games KU is willing to spot each opponent 25 FTA's and allow their 4 bigs to foul out, then I will give them all the credit that they are fair minded. Fact is, it took just that against UK to get it done. Oklahoma got jobbed there too - most people do get jobbed there. My biggest disappointment and I think Cal's too from his presser, is despite all of that - we were still in a position to win and failed to execute.

Lastly - and this is far too long... To say UK didn't get the bad end of reffing for that game is simply to plant your head in the sand on KU's defense and arm bar driving on offense. Selden played great - hit clutch shots. Perry Ellis is a scared pup against talent - will not produce in the NBA. Mason III is as annoying a player to watch as any I've seen. After that game I'm more convinced than ever that KU unless propped up by some very favorable reffing, is not that good a team or even program. Shaka's coming for you Bill, Kruger is already there.

You've said alot. I hate it when people say watch the games tho. As if a person cannot be statistically minded AND watch the games. I can't imagine why anyone would be so invested in sports statistics and NOT be a fan of the game. College basketball is my favorite sport. I watch hours upon hours of college basketball. What statistics has done is enhance my knowledge of the game.

The bottom line is when we watch games, as fans we are bias to our own team. Every time we lose (or any team for that matter), our fans and their fans scream about the refs. Even in games we win, if there's a disparity (ie the Vandy game), something is said. It's 1000 times more when we are playing at KU, have a real shot to win the game at the end and come up short. I've already stated I felt there was some questionable calls. But I understand that refs don't always get it right. But I disagree to the extent of it all. People see 47 attempts and think wow the refs have it out against UK. I see 47 attempts and think omg we can't play D. BTW, If refs were really that one sided, they aren't going to make it that obvious.

Of course being in foul trouble makes you less aggressive. Ive already made that point tho. Alex playing with 4 fouls took away his effectiveness. Willis picking up foul trouble and him being on the bench hurt. I mean I agree with all of that.

I never said others couldn't have an opinion. Stating my opinion in a strong way is differ from me thinking no one can have an opinion. If I came off that way, I do apologize. I just look at this as a good discussion between groups with varying views. It's not that serious.

On the note about KU, they aren't as good as previous years and in real danger of ending that consecutive Big 12 streak. I agree there. I came away from that game thinking despite the loss, we are the better team.
 
Your right. It did leave open shots but what it also did was stop any penetration we were getting in the paint. Ulis driving the ball is what killed them in the first half. Their defense took him away. Self basically rolled the dice and said ok beat me with the other guys not named Murray and Ulis. So in that regard, it worked
Yeah, I agree. It definitely changed the way UK was attacking on offense, so, yeah, in that regard it did work.

I'm just saying that the zone wasn't some brilliant move by Self (like you said, it was more of a gamble), that completely confused Cal and shut UK down like some want you to believe.

Cal and the team adjusted just fine, and were able to get plenty of good, wide open, makeable looks on that zone. They just couldn't make them when they desperately needed to.
 
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