Quit the whining please!

[Skutt]

I'd like to see a link to this mass media outcry on "poor" officiating yesterday.

You're a b-****. We own you. Tell your girl the taste only gets better.

Haha. I loves it when ESPN told the world we were 17-1 against your pink school at one point. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Blue blood my ass. If you are one, everyone is.

 

[Skutt]

Just curious, you ignore people who view things different than you? It's a message board, why let anyone get under your skin.

You're the biggest b-**** on the board.

 

[Jkwo]

Of course. I mean I don't expect him to come out and say hey we were screwed by the refs. But he had a choice in what he can say. He didn't have to say what he did. I think it's telling. He knows there's issues here especially with the bigs. I mean ignoring it at this point is silly.

Most people in this thread tho are focusing on the 47 free throws that KU attempted. That has nothing to do when them fouling us. But honestly can you say we were that aggressive in getting to the hoop to even get fouled? I mean besides Briscoe? Ulis got into the lane alot in the first half but alot of his shots were jumpers. Then in the second half, even Tyler couldn't get into the lane. We just weren't as aggressive as they were.

Go on the latest CBS podcast (the one right prior to the game), and listen to what Norlander said about when he interviewed a bunch of D1 coaches re: rival arenas. As you might know, he's been doing a series, asking them off the record about various topics that they don't usually get to discuss in public. They listed a number of places that were worst to play, and AFH of course made the top of the list, next to Cameron, Rupp, along with a couple others (Iowa State, maybe?), anyways, they also were very adamant apparently that AFH had by far the most one-sided reffing on average.

He said that a bunch of coaches went out of their way to put that point of emphasis there, completely unprompted. Yes, I know that all schools, especially big brand ones, get home cooking, but according to the private opinions of the exact group of people who would know best, AFH is worse than the rest.

And no, Cal and Poy nor anybody on our current team is the type to blame the refs after a game in a public interview.

But hey, good game. It was lots of fun to watch, and we had our chances regardless of all that other stuff.

Let's just say I wouldn't be at all upset to draw you guys as a 2 seed in the tourney.

 

[Skutt]

By the way, before the KU fan gets on the ignore list............ I want to remind everyone this was the same idiot who said KU had a chance with Fox and Monk a few months ago. argued the point almost until the bitter end. Just to show how blind the KU fan is

Kansas recruiting is DEAD. they are happy to just sign the number 27 ranked 4 star recently. Hahaahhahhaha

Like I said, b****s.

 

[Skutt]

Kansas program reminds me of Megan kelly.

Can put it anywhere I want it.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

I wipe my a** with Kansas during every morning sh*t.

It's too easy. Our little b****s.

I'll admit it. That made me laugh.

 

[brianpoe]

All this time and I never knew @The_Answer1313 was a KU fan...

 

[twocoach44]

Go on the latest CBS podcast (the one right prior to the game), and listen to what Norlander said about when he interviewed a bunch of D1 coaches re: rival arenas. As you might know, he's been doing a series, asking them off the record about various topics that they don't usually get to discuss in public. They listed a number of places that were worst to play, and AFH of course made the top of the list, next to Cameron, Rupp, along with a couple others (Iowa State, maybe?), anyways, they also were very adamant apparently that AFH had by far the most one-sided reffing on average.

He said that a bunch of coaches went out of their way to put that point of emphasis there, completely unprompted. Yes, I know that all schools, especially big brand ones, get home cooking, but according to the private opinions of the exact group of people who would know best, AFH is worse than the rest.

And no, Cal and Poy nor anybody on our current team is the type to blame the refs after a game in a public interview.

But hey, good game. It was lots of fun to watch, and we had our chances regardless of all that other stuff.

Let's just say I wouldn't be at all upset to draw you guys as a 2 seed in the tourney.

All this time and I never knew @The_Answer1313 was a KU fan...

Really? Just seemed like an adult who can talk to an opposing fan without losing their mind and hurling childish potty mouthed insults. I had two awesome UK fans sitting behind me at the game Saturday who were great ambassadors of the UK fan base. Very knowledgeable. Very polite. We had a great time talking throughout the game. I assume the vast majority of UK fans are similar to those two.

 

[brianpoe]

Really? Just seemed like an adult who can talk to an opposing fan without losing their mind and hurling childish potty mouthed insults. I had two awesome UK fans sitting behind me at the game Saturday who were great ambassadors of the UK fan base. Very knowledgeable. Very polite. We had a great time talking throughout the game. I assume the vast majority of UK fans are similar to those two.

They are. I assumed most KU fans would be smart enough to not troll a 7 page thread on the rival board arguing with the other teams fans immediately after a loss.
UK fans dont do that, but then again we are adults.

 

[Jkwo]

Really? Just seemed like an adult who can talk to an opposing fan without losing their mind and hurling childish potty mouthed insults. I had two awesome UK fans sitting behind me at the game Saturday who were great ambassadors of the UK fan base. Very knowledgeable. Very polite. We had a great time talking throughout the game. I assume the vast majority of UK fans are similar to those two.

Not entirely sure what that has to do with my post, but I'm glad that you were able to meet some nice people.

 

[brianpoe]

Our guy actually dunked this ball after Diallo hip checks him outside the arc... no foul.

 

[Skutt]

Our guy actually dunked this ball after Diallo hip checks him outside the arc... no foul.

I take back every bad thing I ever said about you. I'll be back as my usual self soon might not make it through the morning on here. I wanted to use my hit man account for the b*****s for that reason.

 

[twocoach44]

They are. I assumed most KU fans would be smart enough to not troll a 7 page thread on the rival board arguing with the other teams fans immediately after a loss.
UK fans dont do that, but then again we are adults.

Eh, OK. You obviously don't go to the boards of any other team that UK plays. You guys are EVERYWHERE.

 

[Skutt]

Eh, OK. You obviously don't go to the boards of any other team that UK plays. You guys are EVERYWHERE.

Because we Own the game. Pay respects to your daddy. I'm not gonna say it again.

 

[Skutt]

Kinsaw beating UK is like my first hit of a cigar at 15.

Coughing and puking. No idea how to take it. I bet they hit their ladies feeling like a champ for the first time last night. Too bad it's a one time thing.
Those little 4 inchers go back in the shell starting next year.

1-17. Loved that ESPN told the nation who the b***** is.

 

[screwduke]

Stop one 3 or make one 3 in regulation and it's over. Then we don't need any excuses.

I like what I saw. We can make some noise in the tourney.

I agree with most of your points, but to act like a team who shot almost 25 more free throws against us didn't have any effect on the game is pure nonsense. They scored damn near a third of their points from the free throw line. That's ridiculous.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Briscoe did not go to the line ONCE in the entire 2nd half. He did get there twice in OT, missing all three shots but by then KU was not playing their triangle and two any more.

Thought you were full of crap with this comment, so I just checked the replay. So far I am 10 mins into the second half and Briscoe has had two drives to the basket, and Ulis has had one. Maybe know what you are talking about next time.

Ulis with another drive at the 3 min mark.

 

[Skutt]

Thought you were full of crap with this comment, so I just checked the replay. So far I am 10 mins into the second half and Briscoe has had two drives to the basket, and Ulis has had one. Maybe know what you are talking about next time.

Kinsaw.

the tramp of the blue bloods.

 

[Skutt]

It doesn't matter. The big12 is gone. In less than 7 years the big12conference will cease to exist and Kansas will be a mid major. Forever ending their program. UK will live on forever. In 50 years no one will know who the hell they are. Most people don't know who the hell they are anyway.

Future mid major Kinsaw yellow Hawks. Hahaha

They know it too. It eats them up.

 

[screwduke]

And I remember Mason driving several times with no foul called, either. We're all fans, we only see the fouls that went agai9nst us and only think the refs sucked in games our teams lost. It's not unique here. The fans of every losing game EVER say pretty much the same thing.

 

[BengalWACO]

Have to admit. Your shitty program makes me laugh after every drink.

As a UK fan, please shut your damn mouth. I appreciate your excitement and fanhood, but DAMN, can you try to contain it.. I really don't want to ignore anyone on this board... you are making it hard.

 

[BengalWACO]

Our guy actually dunked this ball after Diallo hip checks him outside the arc... no foul.

Brian, you are right on with this.. I can also point to like 5 other plays minimum where there was a blatant foul on Kansas. I feel it was a testament to this ball club how close they stayed with Kansas in their great environment. I think we are going to be SCARY this year come tournament time. GO CATS!!

 

[Bombur]

Wow...


Would Skutt's parents please report to the principal's office. Your 10 year old son is acting immature for his age and embarrassing everyone.

 

[musrat59]

What i find so amazing is you never see some of these posters on here until we have a loss. They know who they are.

 

[BlueCat43]

The whistle may have been lopsided, for me it is hard to say objectively due to blue tinted glasses. However, it's not like we didn't have chances. Lee deserved every foul he got as did Skal. It did seem like KU got more leeway on the defensive end but we still could have won.

I'm not saying that we didn't deserve most of the fouls we got, but rather that Kansas deserved some that they did not get called for. We got called for over the backs, handchecks, and pushing underneath whereas KU got away with most of those.

 

[BlueCat43]

After the game.

“We just gotta learn how to play without fouling. That’s something we’ve been struggling with all year,” Alex Poythress said.


Even the players know. It's not just specific to this game. It's been an issue all season long. Especially with the bigs.

And we do have to learn to play without fouling...not contesting that...but do you think KU didn't foul in the second half of a "very physical game"?

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

And we do have to learn to play without fouling...not contesting that...but do you think KU didn't foul in the second half of a "very physical game"?

well you mean Skal and Lee... those two are foul machines. Poy is only averaging 3.2 fouls per game and Willis is 1.5 fouls per game.

 

[BlueCat43]

well you mean Skal and Lee... those two are foul machines. Poy is only averaging 3.2 fouls per game and Willis is 1.5 fouls per game.

Well, I wasn't going to point any fingers directly but rather say the team.

 

[The_Answer1313]

And we do have to learn to play without fouling...not contesting that...but do you think KU didn't foul in the second half of a "very physical game"?

I think that we were less effective in driving in the 2nd half due to the change in defense. Our offense was much better in the first half than it was in the second.

But let's be honest......we did take 22 free throws. If we didn't send KU to the line an astounding 47 times, does anyone really even say anything about our number?

The free throw rate n that game was 35.5%, which is not really all that far off from our average on the year of 38.6%. So in reality we got to the line about as much as we normally do. The biggest problem I believe was the other side.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Landen Lucas is averaging 6 fouls per 40 minutes
Cheick Diallo is averaging 7 fouls per 40 minutes
Jamari Traylor is averaging 6 fouls per 40 minutes
Carleton Bragg is averaging a little over 5 fouls per 40 minutes
Perry Ellis is averaging 3 fouls per 40 minutes


Skal is averaging 7 fouls per 40 minutes
Lee is averaging 6 fouls per 40 minutes
Poythress is averaging 6 fouls per 40 minutes
Willis is averaging 4 fouls per 40 minutes

So if UK is so foul prone and should stop fouling........... shouldn't kansas too? I mean other than Ellis and Willis, the others have a history of fouling....

So if you want to use past stats and project them on the Kansas game... KU should of been called for as many fouls as UK with the big men.

If you want to be rational and look at each foul or non call as a case by case instance which is how it should be done...... it would show that KU got some sugar sweet home cooking.

 

[The_Answer1313]

All this time and I never knew @The_Answer1313 was a KU fan...

lol come on. That's not true at all.

I'm just very objective.

I feel like if I believed the refs had a huge impact on games that I probably wouldn't enjoy college basketball or sports for that matter as much as I do lol.

I've been a huge UK fan my entire life. I never bash Cal or the players and if you go to the game thread or the thread about the feelings about the team after the game, you'll see I had nothing but good things to say. I constantly say this team has turned the corner after the Auburn game. The fact we lost a close game in OT at Kansas doesn't change that IMO at all.

There is no doubt in my mind we make a run in March. Every year Cal has been here, he's had us playing our best basketball and I see it coming together again these past 3 games.

 

[BlueCat43]

I think that we were less effective in driving in the 2nd half due to the change in defense. Our offense was much better in the first half than it was in the second.

But let's be honest......we did take 22 free throws. If we didn't send KU to the line an astounding 47 times, does anyone really even say anything about our number?

The free throw rate n that game was 35.5%, which is not really all that far off from our average on the year of 38.6%. So in reality we got to the line about as much as we normally do. The biggest problem I believe was the other side.

I am not talking about freethrow disparity. That number should be different based on different style of play, etc. I am talking about with your eyes...watching the game...can you really say that Kentucky fouled that many more times than KU? We got called for handchecks...they did not. We got called for over the back...they did not. We got called for countless fouls due to contact on drives...they did not. Freethrow disparity or the amount of freethrows shot on average vs the number shot in the game are not relevant to this. This was a simple question of did you think that UK fouled significantly more in the second half than KU?

 

[The_Answer1313]

Based on our stats and KU's stats

They fouled as much as would be expected. I mean our number on offense is 38.6. Their number on defense is 36.7%. For the game the number was 35.5%. Not unreasonable.

KU on offense averages 38.3%. We average on defense.40.1%. The number for the game was 83.9%. They took 56 shots from the field and 47 from the line.

IMO refs miss calls all the time. But how many calls in a given game? I see the number 47 and I think to myself even giving KU the benefit of the doubt on some calls, that's an awfully high number. High enough to make me feel there's a bigger problem than just the refs.

And there is. We rank 241st in defensive free throw rate. It's never been anywhere this bad in the Cal era. That is way more on the players than the refs.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I am not talking about freethrow disparity. That number should be different based on different style of play, etc. I am talking about with your eyes...watching the game...can you really say that Kentucky fouled that many more times than KU? We got called for handchecks...they did not. We got called for over the back...they did not. We got called for countless fouls due to contact on drives...they did not. Freethrow disparity or the amount of freethrows shot on average vs the number shot in the game are not relevant to this. This was a simple question of did you think that UK fouled significantly more in the second half than KU?

Like i've said before.... even if we went play by play in the 2nd half with visuals to state our case........ it wouldnt do any good because they'd either ignore it or leave for a while until everyone forgets about this argument.

 

[The_Answer1313]

I am not talking about freethrow disparity. That number should be different based on different style of play, etc. I am talking about with your eyes...watching the game...can you really say that Kentucky fouled that many more times than KU? We got called for handchecks...they did not. We got called for over the back...they did not. We got called for countless fouls due to contact on drives...they did not. Freethrow disparity or the amount of freethrows shot on average vs the number shot in the game are not relevant to this. This was a simple question of did you think that UK fouled significantly more in the second half than KU?

I believe so. Yes. It's not just this game tho. I've been feeling this way about this team for a long time now.

Someone posted the numbers for this season and I posted numbers from previous years. The free throws attempted vs opponent free throw attempts is nearly dead even after 21 games. That never happens with Cal's teams. So I'm left with thinking 2 things. `1. Is the ref more likely to call fouls on UK this year vs previous? 2. Do our players just have a hard time defending. And I believe it's two. That second half when KU was parading to the line....did the refs call it tightly? Maybe so. But maybe they call it tightly on the other end if we just drive the ball more. I don't think we got the calls on the other end because we lost our aggressiveness. And credit them. I mean they came up with a defense to contain Tyler, who right now has the second most free throws on this team behind Alex. Alex was playing in foul trouble which is another reason I believe we weren't nearly as aggressive.

I think KU was more aggressive in getting to the rim and I just think our bigs had a real tough time playing D without fouling.

 

[BlueCat43]

I believe so. Yes. It's not just this game tho. I've been feeling this way about this team for a long time now.

Someone posted the numbers for this season and I posted numbers from previous years. The free throws attempted vs opponent free throw attempts is nearly dead even after 21 games. That never happens with Cal's teams. So I'm left with thinking 2 things. `1. Is the ref more likely to call fouls on UK this year vs previous? 2. Do our players just have a hard time defending. And I believe it's two. That second half when KU was parading to the line....did the refs are it tightly? Maybe so. But maybe they call it tightly on the other end if we just drive the ball more. I don't think we got the calls on the other end because we lost our aggressiveness. And credit them. I mean they came up with a defense to contain Tyler, who right now has the second most free throws on this team behind Alex. Alex was playing in foul trouble which is another reason I believe we weren't nearly as aggressive.

I think KU was more aggressive in getting to the rim and I just think our bigs had a real tough time playing D without fouling.

We weren't getting into the lane, though, because 1.)their junk defense which I will concede was a good strategy and 2.)they had their hands on us on the perimeter the entire game. We didn't get that call...they did. I will leave this with you though as a difference of opinion. If you think that we just fouled them a whole lot more than they fouled us then I cannot change the way that you saw it. I do disagree on that point though.

 

[Bigblueforever]

The refs did not cost UK this game. We had a chance to win at the end of regulation and had a miscue. Our bigs had a hard time defending without fouling tonight. I know it's tough to lose a close game we had a chance to win but you really make yourself look petty when you whine about the officials. It was a great game and we saw that the Cats have a great chance to be right there at the end in march. GBB!

Cat fan my AZZ!!!

 

[The_Answer1313]

It's not just this game too.

People brought up the Vandy game. It was at our place. We won by 19. Yet they took 25 and we only took 6.

It isn't until you realize that in conference play Vandy is number 1 in the SEC in getting to the line. Our defense has ranked 11th in conference play.

I don't think there's any doubt that getting to the line and not fouling are skills for the offense and defense and some teams are just better at it. Much like some teams shoot well, some rebounding well etc etc.

Actually, it's interesting to look at team pages on sites like Kenpom because you notice patterns. So coaching philosophy plays a huge role in it.

Take a team like Michigan. Overall, under Beilen, not a great defense. But in terms of not fouling these are their rankings year to year under him: 16th, 9th, 2nd, 1st, 43rd, 42nd, 7th, 33rd and 21st.

Or Ohio St under Matta: 54th, 15th, 9th, 43rd, 29th, 1st, 8th, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 32nd.

This is a real skill. And it's something we are missing here this season.

 

[The_Answer1313]

We weren't getting into the lane, though, because 1.)their junk defense which I will concede was a good strategy and 2.)they had their hands on us on the perimeter the entire game. We didn't get that call...they did. I will leave this with you though as a difference of opinion. If you think that we just fouled them a whole lot more than they fouled us then I cannot change the way that you saw it. I do disagree on that point though.

That's fair enough. I mean the fact is no one is going to change anyone's opinion on this matter. People who feel refs play a huge role and cost us the game will never feel different and people that do not believe that to be the case will also not feel different.

I do think it's good to discuss these things tho. I respect your opinion.

 

[cat_chaser]

I was hot after the game. Ridiculous amount of free throws.

After cooling off, I reminded myself I was NOT going to blame the refs if we lost...... Due to the fact our bigs have been foul prone all year. If it had been our guards doing all the fouling, I might still be heated. However, it was our usual suspects.

Now, 47 free throws is excessive. And some of those fouls were crap calls they gave to the offensive player for jumping into our bigs. But, those happen in every game and at a higher rate for the home team.

Gotta take a step back and give Kansas props for playing a little bit better down the stretch. No (more) crying from me.