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Quit the whining please!

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Blue Decade said:
Did you notice the rebounding difference? LOL!
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BD I don't disagree about the rebounding...but I can point out several plays were we had the rebound and got pushed in the back and lost position.

They happened in key moments of the game, Ulis grabbed one that was at a critical point, Perry mugged him and gets the ball back and they hit a big 3.

Again the rebounding was a major point I do agree with you, we had several rebounds that we got fouls called that were not fouls.

The over the back calls only worked out on one end of the floor.

Even with the rebounding, and Ft's we were still in the game and had a chance to win it.

I like that our team is growing, they have some issues no doubt but I wouldn't want to play us in March.
 
The_Answer1313 said:
That's exactly my point tho.

It's not about refs.

It's not about home cooking.

It's about this team's ability (or inability) to play D without fouling
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NO. You posted numerous examples of past games where UK got a very favorable whistle. You were insinuating that UK gets a whistle at home and that was comparable to what Kans-ass got last night. I posted a very recent example that completely counters your claim.
Now you want to try and use my example as proof that somehow UK's players managed to foul at better than 2:1 ratio in a game that was fought equally hard by BOTH teams.
Refs ALWAYS matter. If they didn't then Cal (and all other coaches) wouldn't be allowed to "blackball" certain referees from calling their games.
 
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Its not the FT disparity thats the problem. Its how KU gained that FT disparity.

The FT disparity number that made a difference was 17 FT's to 0 for the last 10 minutes of regulation. Especially when there is obvious fouls made by KU that went uncalled.

I can't take anyone serious who didnt see the one sided officiating in the 2nd half. It was so obvious that everyone who denies it is either just being an a hole just to be one or a rival fan who hates UK so much they think UK deserves that officiating.
 
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Blueworld_3.0 said:
NO. You posted numerous examples of past games where UK got a very favorable whistle. You were insinuating that UK gets a whistle at home and that was comparable to what Kans-ass got last night. I posted a very recent example that completely counters your claim.
Now you want to try and use my example as proof that somehow UK's players managed to foul at better than 2:1 ratio in a game that was fought equally hard by BOTH teams.
Refs ALWAYS matter. If they didn't then Cal (and all other coaches) wouldn't be allowed to "blackball" certain referees from calling their games.
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You didn't read this entire thread then.
My pointing out that was to simply point out the bias. It was simply to say that people never complain when the disparity is in UK's favor (which more often than not it is especially in the Cal era).

It's not my view on things. I don't see a disparity and immediately think oh the refs must be cheating.

As I've said countless times, drawing fouls and getting fouls are skills.
 
Wildcat-in-STL said:
Its not the FT disparity thats the problem. Its how KU gained that FT disparity.

The FT disparity number that made a difference was 17 FT's to 0 for the last 10 minutes of regulation. Especially when there is obvious fouls made by KU that went uncalled.

I can't take anyone serious who didnt see the one sided officiating in the 2nd half. It was so obvious that everyone who denies it is either just being an a hole just to be one or a rival fan who hates UK so much they think UK deserves that officiating.
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When Skal used to start games he could barely stay on the court without getting into foul trouble. Lee has this problem as well.
I mean at some point we need to be honest with ourselves here. We don't have the type of defense we had past years. And u know what, those teams had no fouling problems whatsoever.

Our bigs struggle on D. They just do.
 
Does anyone know if a replay of the game is available? Or if someone has a link to a replay? I watched a majority of the game but actually went on a beer run (we had people over for the game and i was playing host) and it just so happened i was gone during the meat of the second half between the 10 min and 5 min mark which is where so many people claim we got the short end of the stick. Id love to be able to have a dog in the fight come Monday when im forced into conversations with less than knowledgable sports fans about 'what happened to my cats' this weekend.
 
What about any of the times that Ulis was freaking mugged with no call? WTH is the excuse you want to make for the officials to call us for fouls but not KU?

What about the 3 bogus calls on Willis or the the 2 that Poythress picked up that made most of the world scratch their head?
 
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We are cherry picking here.

Anyone can point to specific instances in games and say the refs made bad calls. I mean they aren't robots.

I'm just saying when certain players get into foul trouble game after game after game than maybe we should start looking at that player and say u know what, he has a fouling problem.
 
Diallo and Bragg have also had their share of Foul trouble like Skal and Lee........ those two picked up 3 fouls total in 21 minutes.

So if you want to base last night's fouls and if they were legit based on past performances...... explain why the two foul machines for KU played without fouling much
 
Diallo and Bragg do have fouling issues but they don't play nearly the same amount of minutes that Skal, Poy and Lee do.
 
YaySports said:
Does anyone know if a replay of the game is available? Or if someone has a link to a replay? I watched a majority of the game but actually went on a beer run (we had people over for the game and i was playing host) and it just so happened i was gone during the meat of the second half between the 10 min and 5 min mark which is where so many people claim we got the short end of the stick. Id love to be able to have a dog in the fight come Monday when im forced into conversations with less than knowledgable sports fans about 'what happened to my cats' this weekend.
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Basically KU got all of their points from the free throw line. I think they went like 5 mins without a FG
 
The_Answer1313 said:
Basically KU got all of their points from the free throw line. I think they went like 5 mins without a FG
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Actually, we got 60 points from the field and 30 from the line.

Problem is that your post players foul a lot. Poythress said it post game. watched the game the first time and thought it was well officiated. Watched it again, and the same. It was a well called game where Kentucky's post players fouled.

Every time someone posts stats that prove it, such as The_Answer1313, they are tossed out and ignored. Kentucky is a great program, so you shouldn't diminish that by playing a "victim" and thinking the basketball world is out to "stick it" to Kentucky.
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
Actually, we got 60 points from the field and 30 from the line.

Problem is that your post players foul a lot. Poythress said it post game. watched the game the first time and thought it was well officiated. Watched it again, and the same. It was a well called game where Kentucky's post players fouled.

Every time someone posts stats that prove it, such as The_Answer1313, they are tossed out and ignored. Kentucky is a great program, so you shouldn't diminish that by playing a "victim" and thinking the basketball world is out to "stick it" to Kentucky.
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Respectfully....a KU fan thought it was a well officiated game?

OK then that settles that.

And what the majority of people are upset about were the NON CALLS on the other end of the floor...we know Lee and Skal commit fouls to often.
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
Actually, we got 60 points from the field and 30 from the line.

Problem is that your post players foul a lot. Poythress said it post game. watched the game the first time and thought it was well officiated. Watched it again, and the same. It was a well called game where Kentucky's post players fouled.

Every time someone posts stats that prove it, such as The_Answer1313, they are tossed out and ignored. Kentucky is a great program, so you shouldn't diminish that by playing a "victim" and thinking the basketball world is out to "stick it" to Kentucky.
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it's just easier to blame the refs.

The KU game was just that.......1 game. It was always gonna be tough to go in there and get a W and I think UK played pretty good overall.

It's just I'm looking at this thing going forward and I see an issue that needs to be corrected. So while everyone can sit and blame the refs, they are missing the bigger picture.
 
The problem was the game was being called pretty even up to mid way in the second half and that is when the Refs went crazy with fouls. That is why most fans are upset with the refs is that the game was called ok up to that point and when that all changed is when Kansas came back and took the lead. Before all that and the game being called even between the 2 teams Kentucky led most of the game by 6 to 8 points but when that all changed halfway through the 2nd half the momentum went in favor Kansas. There were so many picky fouls called and esp on both Willis & Lee. This year Lee is having a hard time adjusting to the new fouls and having a hard time staying in the game. It wasn't just us fans that were complaining on the fouls in the 2nd half. Many of the Media and Experts were saying how bad Kentucky had it on the calls in the 2nd half. When the Refs were letting the teams play Kentucky was leading most of the game and led by 6to 8 points until the Refs took over the game mid point of the second half.
 
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Bigblueincincy said:
I really didn't think we got a favorable 1st half whistle. I would say it was a fair whistle. I think Kansas still shot one more free throw than us and they had one more foul than us. The 2nd half was piss poor officiating.
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The second half we played the triangle and two much of the time, which we played a possession or two in the first half. That stopped much of Kentucky's penetration. On the few possessions Kentucky was able to penetrate, the referees called the fouls. More jump shots in the second half for Kentucky and those don't get fouled as much. Kansas penetrated and tried drawing the fouls and attacked the boards.
 
Wildcat-in-STL said:
Its not the FT disparity thats the problem. Its how KU gained that FT disparity.

The FT disparity number that made a difference was 17 FT's to 0 for the last 10 minutes of regulation. Especially when there is obvious fouls made by KU that went uncalled.

I can't take anyone serious who didnt see the one sided officiating in the 2nd half. It was so obvious that everyone who denies it is either just being an a hole just to be one or a rival fan who hates UK so much they think UK deserves that officiating.
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Just stop, this is silly. UK relegated themselves to being jump shooters after KU switched to their triangle and 2 defense and Ulis/Briscoe couldn't get into the paint like they did in the first half.

Add to that the fact that defense is 100% reliant on verbal communication and it was so loud in AFH that UK could not hear each other at all. UK is usually the benefactor of this at home when their loud fans generate enough noise that visitors get called for a lot of fouls because they are late to react due to not being able to communicate. THAT is the true home court advantage, not this lame claim to home cooking that is generated out of frustration. UK fans don't like it when opposing teams cry about UK getting home cooking in Rupp? Then walk the walk.
 
KnowsAllTellsAll said:
The second half we played the triangle and two much of the time, which we played a possession or two in the first half. That stopped much of Kentucky's penetration. On the few possessions Kentucky was able to penetrate, the referees called the fouls. More jump shots in the second half for Kentucky and those don't get fouled as much. Kansas penetrated and tried drawing the fouls and attacked the boards.
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Exactly. The change in defense......we couldn't get to the rim as much as we did in the first half.
 
Alex Poythress has ended up with 3-4 fouls in almost every game he plays this year. Lee has fouled out of six games already. Skal has had 4+ fouls in 7 games. From the looks of it, the UK bigs seem to have had a problem guarding without fouling all season.
 
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twocoach44 said:
Just stop, this is silly. UK relegated themselves to being jump shooters after KU switched to their triangle and 2 defense and Ulis/Briscoe couldn't get into the paint like they did in the first half.

Add to that the fact that defense is 100% reliant on verbal communication and it was so loud in AFH that UK could not hear each other at all. UK is usually the benefactor of this at home when their loud fans generate enough noise that visitors get called for a lot of fouls because they are late to react due to not being able to communicate. THAT is the true home court advantage, not this lame claim to home cooking that is generated out of frustration. UK fans don't like it when opposing teams cry about UK getting home cooking in Rupp? Then walk the walk.
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First off, so the only fouls in basketball are right under the basket? damn , your argument dies right there. 2nd of all , KU is not immune to that loud noise of its own fans. Your other argument is destroyed right there. Now you are on ignore like you should be.
 
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Teams that drive the ball draw more fouls than a jump shooter does.

I don't even know how this is debatable.
 
The actual basketball minds of the board have already said that Willis picked up fouls that shouldn't of been called and had to go to the bench.. KU then played zone. Willis came back in and KU backed out of zone.... he fouled out and the Zone came back.
 
The very few of you posting that Kansas didn't get any home cooking is hilarious. ESPN commentators and people that aren't even UK fans have been talking about how bad the officiating was. The way I look at it, the out come is over with. Kansas won and Kentucky lost. The officiating was one sided but we still should have won that game regardless. I'm proud of how the team played in that environment and seen enough to know that Kentucky could beat Kansas on a neutral floor and should have beat them at AFH.
 
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The_Answer1313 said:
How do you know we don't get the same level home cooking?

I'm not saying ignore it. There's going to be questionable calls in every game. Refs are human. When it happens I tend to feel it's more about the refs making honest mistakes, not that they are in fact favoring another team.

Unless Refs are betting on the game, what benefit is it to them to favor a team over the other? Why do the refs care one bit about who wins a regular season matchup between UK and KU.

I watched the game last night and of course I sat there and saw some questionable calls. But the difference is when I see a huge disparity, I'm thinking it has more to do with us not being able to play D without fouling vs the refs. A ref can make bad calls in a game but when the difference is THIS LARGE, something else is going on here.

And the numbers bear this out. We've had issues fouling the entire season. It wasn't just this game. Heck even when we waxed Vandy a week ago, they shot 25 free throws to our 6.

If this was an issue for a game or two I would say maybe you got a point. But when it happens several games in a season all with different refs......I mean every ref can't possibly be against us lol
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I don't think I said anything about them being against us. My point has been that KU gets this kind of whistle in their house all the damn time. Oklahoma was more robbed than we were. 3 OTs and not one foul on Kansas. Mason stepped over the line and was way closer than 3 feet when Oklahoma was inbounding the ball with 27 secs left, then touched the ball first after having been out of bounds and they didn't give the ball back to Oklahoma. I am not alleging any mass conspiracy or anything, but more that they get sucked in by the crowd noise and tradition of that arena and end up sticking it to the visitors almost every time. The vast majority of the time, KU is way better than the opponent, so the outcome likely would have been the same with a fair whistle. But this season, Oklahoma and UK both leave with wins if the refs were even a little bit more competent and fair.
 
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twocoach44 said:
Just stop, this is silly. UK relegated themselves to being jump shooters after KU switched to their triangle and 2 defense and Ulis/Briscoe couldn't get into the paint like they did in the first half.
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Wrong. Briscoe continued to drive and get fouled and miss FTs. Lee got a couple of baskets, Poythress got a dunk.
 
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There is only one way to win the battle......... to pull a UL fan and post clips or play by play photos of the 2nd half.... and even once the proof is right in front of their face.... they'll either deny it because they don't want to be wrong or they'll leave and not come back for a while
 
SilentsAreGolden said:
I don't think I said anything about them being against us. My point has been that KU gets this kind of whistle in their house all the damn time. Oklahoma was more robbed than we were. 3 OTs and not one foul on Kansas. Mason stepped over the line and was way closer than 3 feet when Oklahoma was inbounding the ball with 27 secs left, then touched the ball first after having been out of bounds and they didn't give the ball back to Oklahoma. I am not alleging any mass conspiracy or anything, but more that they get sucked in by the crowd noise and tradition of that arena and end up sticking it to the visitors almost every time. The vast majority of the time, KU is way better than the opponent, so the outcome likely would have been the same with a fair whistle. But this season, Oklahoma and UK both leave with wins if the refs were even a little bit more competent and fair.
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I agree with you about that in bounds play.

And I also agree about the about Oklahoma and UK.

After that OU-KU game I came away with the feeling Oklahoma was better than KU was.......despite losing. And this has turned out to be true so far. KU is Big 12 play has not been like the KU in the past. Currently KU only has a 10% chance of winning that conference. Their defense is the worst it's been since Self has gotten there.

I guess where the disagreement comes into play is the extent of this. If you believe that home field is worth 3-4 points and believe that a number of factors go into that, then refs calling more fouls on the home team vs the vistors can't have a major effect.

That's where the difference is tho. Most fans look at last night game and say wow that was ALOT more than just 3-4 points of home cooking. I look at it and think did they get some favorable calls........yeah sure. But the major effect was our inability to defend.
 
ukcatfaninsc said:
The refs did not cost UK this game. We had a chance to win at the end of regulation and had a miscue. Our bigs had a hard time defending without fouling tonight. I know it's tough to lose a close game we had a chance to win but you really make yourself look petty when you whine about the officials. It was a great game and we saw that the Cats have a great chance to be right there at the end in march. GBB!
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Sorry, you're wrong about the whistle ... It cost the CATS the game. The game was not called evenly!

AlohaCat
 
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