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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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    Votes: 9 18.0%

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I chuckle every time I see Leftie use this argument. Trump had how many bankruptcies and how many total businesses? Only those that have never owned a business attempt this ignorant excuse. It reveals a lack of understanding of business and the bankruptcy laws.

But career low wage employees love to use it.
Agree. Over half of new businesses fail within 10 years of starting operations. Banks generally charge a high rate to these borrowers and require a ton of collateral. Most new business owners should be admired for their courage.
 
She tried that in part when she was paying part of her mother and brothers bills. I was giving her an allotment out of my account to help her continue to help them, but it got to the point that it was coming to a head with them. Neither were working and they were needing more and more. Finally, I pulled the plug when my MIL's X (wife and BIL's father) offered them to come and live with him in Florida. MIL said no, but the money they (MIL and BIL) had dried up and my wife could not handle the whole thing, and I refused to do so (needed to pay for all of our bills including house before I bite it). So, they had no choice but to leave.

They are both hating it there and want to come back but I told my wife I am not giving any more money until I pay things off. She wants to buy them a house but can't do it alone.
Ole warrior cat, your orange general bailed on the troops coming back home to go play golf with saudis.

Now that there aren’t any photo ops needed to get elected he doesn’t care about the troops or you and your fellow veterans.
You’re just “suckers” to him.
 
Good lord.
They revised the numbers down EVERY. SINGLE.MONTH. For 4 years.
It really became a running joke
Embarrasing.
^^^prime example. The guy you’re responding to can’t question what he’s told. The job numbers because a running joke to any literate person.

And yet he’s using it as an excuse for…something. Maybe it’s the guy he supported that had dementia.
 
They don’t care about the stock market. Or kids in cages. Or egg prices. Or secure borders. Or the working class.

It’s just shit they say to get their smoothbrain drones worked up. This thread has several of them.
The smooth brains in charge can’t math

 
They don’t care about the stock market. Or kids in cages. Or egg prices. Or secure borders. Or the working class.

It’s just shit they say to get their smoothbrain drones worked up. This thread has several of them.
That’s all it ever is from them, all it ever can be, from the top down.

If they aren’t making bad faith arguments, they aren’t making their “argument.”
 
Like I said early, they ask others to explain and then shout it down and circle jerk around it.




Man the left really can’t meme.

Maybe the guy who is a billionaire and you’re saying filed bankruptcy 5 times while still becoming a billionaire and becoming president of the United States is the exact guy you want negotiating for your side.

If he can stick China with the tab while making America wildly successful like he did personally, I’ll take it.
 
Ouch, am sorry about that, it is a pain to deal with. Back when my Dad was alive he had married again and his wife was about my age. She drained him and tried to drain us but I don't play that. They had money to eat so that was okay. I half expect her to show up some day at our door begging. Of course she knows how to get every dollar out of the government so she is surely not doing too badly living where I think she still lives.

I always told my wife as a caveat, as long as you make good decisions, you're in charge. She does make very good decisions so... I am thankful...

This South Korea thing though is causing some serious issues... Just horrible what is going on over there.. Could happen here BUT, citizens here have guns...
I understand her helping them out but they started expecting it going forward. I also helped my mother and stepfather out with bills. Even paid the taxes and some payments on the land they owned. After my mother died, me and one other brother paid for the funeral since my stepfather took the money out of an already paid for funeral by another brother. He squandered money and never saved a dime. I gave him 5K after her death to help him build a deck around his trailer and he took that money, bought a derelict RV with the intent on fixing it up and ask me for some more money for the deck. Fool me once...

His trailer burned down not long after along with the RV parked next to it and he bought a new trailer with the insurance money and then ask for money again for to build a deck around that. Nope.
 
Good lord.
They revised the numbers down EVERY. SINGLE.MONTH. For 4 years.
It really became a running joke
Embarrasing.
These number were in the low 200 to mid 200s. Just like the Biden years. Revisions up and down are nothing new. Trumps previous month was revised down.
 
The smooth brains in charge can’t math

You assholes swore that 6 feet and experimental vaccines could stop an airborne virus. You think the government can control weather and that males can menstruate.

You had your chance. It’s over. You can’t get the stain of idiocy off of you. You reek of it.

I promise you, nobody here or across the country gives a shit what you think anymore.
 
lol during the global COVID recovery,
In which the US out performed every other market in the world
Gee, I wonder how that happened. Almost like somebody shut everything down and fired people for not obeying the new religion science. Wonder who was calling those shots?

You mean the economy that floats the entire rest of the world didn't fall as far as the laundry lists of countries' economies it subsidizes? The hell you say.

Are you Ivy League educated, by chance?
 
I don’t hate anyone. I want everyone in the US and the whole world to do well. These policies are basically going to make quality of life worse for Americans the most but also the rest of the world. Over the last 40 years the American economy, has prospered and lifted billions of other people worldwide out of poverty.

We can have our cake and eat it too. The long term effects of these tariffs is going to be the world moving on without the US. We aren’t trustworthy anymore as a trade partner and the world will oblige us with leaving us to ourselves in our little island over here in between the Atlantic and Pacific. We will have less because we don’t have the human capital necessary to produce the wealth of goods and services we are accustomed to. Basically what we ourselves can make for us to consume is much less than what we can consume in a free trade scenario because we have more money than everyone else. The first step in making us poorer is erasing the projected future earnings of our companies. That erased the value of owning these companies which is what we saw in the stock market. He next step is going to be as actual products prices go up and products start disappearing from our shelves. The next part will be job shifting. The goods US produces domestically and exports will start slowing and people will lose jobs there while others gain jobs in things that are necessities that we have to start making here. Trading software engineers for tee shirt makers basically.

I am disheartened by the glee you all seem to have in peoples suffering. You like to see foreigners suffer, you relish Americans losing money in the stock market, you think there is some great future for you, but that’s only cause you don’t understand. My view of your attitude is that you would rather see us suffer under Republican leadership no matter who it is then prosper under anyone else. Why do I think this? Because over the last 20 years I have seen the people in this forum dismiss every single good thing that has happened under Democratic leadership and relish the bad things that happen under Republicans.

I want people to do well and moving forward under these policies more people will suffer than do well. Also I’m not a patriot. I don’t really care if someone is American, Mexican, Chinese, Russian, whatever. We all have a right to be free and prosperous. Leaders who see the world as a game of stealing prosperity from others are the problem with the world not the solution. Trump is one of those people so I don’t support him. We have words for that and they’re called selfish or greedy at best, and maybe evil at worst. All I know is with one fell swoop on 4/2/2025 Trump made the world a worse place to live for everyone and we in the US will bear the majority of that cost.


We can have an honest and nuanced debate about tariffs. Let's do that.

"These policies are basically going to make quality of life worse for Americans"

The end goal of these policies is to bring back manufacturing and production to the US. This means jobs, higher wages and benefits. I wont even go into the national security argument as you obviously have zero concern. Trump's policies have coerced over $1T in new manufacturing investments in only 2 months.

"Over the last 40 years the American economy, has prospered and lifted billions of other people worldwide out of poverty."

You are correct that our trade policies have created a ton of wealth for other countries. However, over the last 40 years the US has lost over 90,000 manufacturing plants, an estimated 6.7M jobs.

The loss of blue collar specialists jobs has resulted in stagnant wages for much of the middle and lower middle class. They have lost purchasing power and with the rise of inflation resulting in higher shelter, food, and healthcare costs leaving them and their families underwater. Where is your concern for them?

"The long term effects of these tariffs is going to be the world moving on without the US."

The US has a nominal GDP over 28T, our consumer market sets global trends and standards. The US dollar is the world's reserve currency. The majority of global trade is priced and settled in dollars. Other countries will not accept Mexican Pesos in exchange for their products. The US dollar provides global stability. There is no "moving on without the US".

"We aren’t trustworthy anymore as a trade partner"

This makes no sense. The US has not lied to other countries. Trump was very upfront with trading partners. He gave them a window of time to negotiate and lower their unfair tariffs on US manufacturers. It is interesting that you find our people untrustworthy when other countries have treated us so poorly economically.

"We will have less because we don’t have the human capital necessary to produce the wealth of goods and services we are accustomed to."

The argument that the U.S. lacks the human capital to produce wealth and goods domestically, forcing reliance on foreign countries, doesn’t hold up when you look at the country’s workforce, innovation track record, and economic output. The U.S. has the talent, skills, and capacity to generate substantial wealth and goods—its dependence on imports is more a choice driven by cost, policy, and global trade dynamics than a fundamental deficiency in human capital.


US labor productivity (GDP per hour worked) ranks at the top almost doubling Japan and 50% higher than the EU.

The 167 million in the U.S. workforce is highly skilled and productive. Over 57 million have bachelor's degrees or higher.

Germany, a manufacturing powerhouse, has 83M people total and far less with degrees. In fact we have more workers and and a larger share of degree holders of any country.

The US leads in innovation, a key driver of wealth and goods production, US patents per year number higher than the rest of the world combined.

The US has the people and the skills, it is just not always cheaper.

"The first step in making us poorer is erasing the projected future earnings of our companies."

Earnings are tied to real economic activity. Short term market volatility will not erase projected future earnings. That would require a cascade of effects. Companies with cash will take full advantage of the current decline. Earnings more than rebounded even with the 1987 Black Monday Dow drop.

"He next step is going to be as actual products prices go up and products start disappearing from our shelves."

What a looney left talking point. Let us know which products those will be so we can all stock up.

"Trading software engineers for tee shirt makers basically."

An unsurprising degradation, by the left again, towards skilled blue collar workers.

"I am disheartened by the glee you all seem to have in peoples suffering."

Minor short term price increases on some products will not cause suffering. Lack of good paying jobs is way more damaging.

"Leaders who see the world as a game of stealing prosperity from others are the problem with the world not the solution."

The fact that you are ok with leaders of other countries doing what is best for their citizens but consider it shameful that our President does the same for us is certainly a take. A bad one, an embarrassing one.

"Also I’m not a patriot."

So many of you on the Left are not patriots. Your disdain for the country is why your political party has a 21% approval rating and still dropping.
 
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You assholes swore that 6 feet and experimental vaccines could stop an airborne virus. You think the government can control weather and that males can menstruate.

You had your chance. It’s over. You can’t get the stain of idiocy off of you. You reek of it.

I promise you, nobody here or across the country gives a shit what you think anymore.


The lefties who are completely opposed to Trump so they now oppose tariffs “well akshually”ing the calculations of tariffs as if they’re anything but arbitrary is one of the more hilarious parts of all this.

No one gives a shit how they would have calculated tariffs.
 
The lefties who are completely opposed to Trump so they now oppose tariffs “well akshually”ing the calculations of tariffs as if they’re anything but arbitrary is one of the more hilarious parts of all this.

No one gives a shit how they would have calculated tariffs.

While at the same time, pining for higher corporate taxes. That is a special kind of stupid.

On another note, not even Nostradamus could have foreseen that Vince McMahon's WIFE would save public education. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 That is indescribably hilarious, and a sublime kick in the coin purse to the left.
 
I chuckle every time I see Leftie use this argument. Trump had how many bankruptcies and how many total businesses? Only those that have never owned a business attempt this ignorant excuse. It reveals a lack of understanding of business and the bankruptcy laws.

But career low wage employees love to use it.

Yeah, I enjoy at times reading these "teachers" inputs. I had a supervisor who taught college courses at night. I had never-ending issues with him as he'd spend an eight hour day trying to have my people prepare instructions and explain to leadership in depth what we were doing and why, and how... Just horrible to any production environment, or any environment for that matter unless it is a training environment...

I'd pull most of them back into working telling the dunce unless we went to a sixteen hour day stay the crap out of my area. (Operations).... He still has no concept...... Usable documentation is fine.....
We can have an honest and nuanced debate about tariffs. Let's do that.

"These policies are basically going to make quality of life worse for Americans"

The end goal of these policies is to bring back manufacturing and production to the US. This means jobs, higher wages and benefits. I wont even go into the national security argument as you obviously have zero concern. Trump's policies have coerced over $1T in new manufacturing investments in only 2 months.

"Over the last 40 years the American economy, has prospered and lifted billions of other people worldwide out of poverty."

You are correct that our trade policies have created a ton of wealth for other countries. However, over the last 40 years the US has lost over 90,000 manufacturing plants, an estimated 6.7M jobs.

The loss of blue collar specialists jobs has resulted in stagnant wages for much of the middle and lower middle class. They have lost purchasing power and with the rise of inflation resulting in higher shelter, food, and healthcare costs leaving them and their families underwater. Where is your concern for them?

"The long term effects of these tariffs is going to be the world moving on without the US."

The US has a nominal GDP over 28T, our consumer market sets global trends and standards. The US dollar is the world's reserve currency. The majority of global trade is priced and settled in dollars. Other countries will not accept Mexican Pesos in exchange for their products. The US dollar provides global stability. There is no "moving on without the US".

"We aren’t trustworthy anymore as a trade partner"

This makes no sense. The US has not lied to other countries. Trump was very upfront with trading partners. He gave them a window of time to negotiate and lower their unfair tariffs on US manufacturers. It is interesting that you find our people untrustworthy when other countries have treated us so poorly economically.

"We will have less because we don’t have the human capital necessary to produce the wealth of goods and services we are accustomed to."

The argument that the U.S. lacks the human capital to produce wealth and goods domestically, forcing reliance on foreign countries, doesn’t hold up when you look at the country’s workforce, innovation track record, and economic output. The U.S. has the talent, skills, and capacity to generate substantial wealth and goods—its dependence on imports is more a choice driven by cost, policy, and global trade dynamics than a fundamental deficiency in human capital.


US labor productivity (GDP per hour worked) ranks at the top almost doubling Japan and 50% higher than the EU.

The 167 million in the U.S. workforce is highly skilled and productive. Over 57 million have bachelor's degrees or higher.

Germany, a manufacturing powerhouse, has 83M people total and far less with degrees. In fact we have more workers and and a larger share of degree holders of any country.

The US leads in innovation, a key driver of wealth and goods production, US patents per year number higher than the rest of the world combined.

The US has the people and the skills, it is just not always cheaper.

"The first step in making us poorer is erasing the projected future earnings of our companies."

Earnings are tied to real economic activity. Short term market volatility will not erase projected future earnings. That would require a cascade of effects. Companies with cash will take full advantage of the current decline. Earnings more than rebounded even with the 1987 Black Monday Dow drop.

"He next step is going to be as actual products prices go up and products start disappearing from our shelves."

What a looney left talking point. Let us know which products those will be so we can all stock up.

"Trading software engineers for tee shirt makers basically."

An unsurprising degradation, by the left again, towards skilled blue collar workers.

"I am disheartened by the glee you all seem to have in peoples suffering."

Minor short term price increases on some products will not cause suffering. Lack of good paying jobs is way more damaging.

"Leaders who see the world as a game of stealing prosperity from others are the problem with the world not the solution."

The fact that you are ok with leaders of other countries doing what is best for their citizens but consider it shameful that our President does the same for us is certainly a take. A bad one, an embarrassing one.

"Also I’m not a patriot."

So many of you on the Left are not patriots. Your disdain for the country is why your political party has a 21% approval rating and still dropping.

While I agree, you have too much time on your hands. In stating that, I'd help anyone that needs help if I can and it doesn't hurt my family but in the decades I have been posting here, I have NEVER and I mean NEVER seen one of these trolls, bots, troublemakers (One of the worst things I can call anyone is a troublemaker.) change their ways or thoughts, or their interactions. Just me and I am just posting to post as you are grown and can do what you want. (You could, if not, I'd be surprised, make money doing what you do for these types free... Take care and I do hope you will not take offense...
 
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On another subject....

I sure hope this is Roberts joining the "other side" because he knows the score beforehand so it doesn't look like things are being done in lock-step. I can hope but am highly concerned...

 
Man the left really can’t meme.

Maybe the guy who is a billionaire and you’re saying filed bankruptcy 5 times while still becoming a billionaire and becoming president of the United States is the exact guy you want negotiating for your side.

If he can stick China with the tab while making America wildly successful like he did personally, I’ll take it.
 
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OMFG. This absolutely needs to go viral.

If nothing else ... it shows how lunatic the Dim party has become. Just 30 years ago, we could have civilized debates, and even Dims wanted to keep Americans safe. But no more ... they clearly want more fraud. Fraud is what keeps them in power. And it is amazing they no longer represent Americans, but rather special interests and non-citizens. This illustrates the Elon meme about the Dims sprinting further left. That is the ONLY reason they fight Trump. He is a threat to their power.
Of course they want fraud. They all want fraud, pub and dem alike. That is how they all got rich. How does someone on a $150K a year salary become a multimillionaire in five years? AOC couldn't afford a house before she was elected, now she wears 5K pants suits. They are corrupt AF and have stolen billions from taxpayers through back channels like USAID.
 
Fyi in Louisville distillery/museum district a throng of hands off bastards are disrupting business by blocking sidewalks and chanting their scripted bs.

This is on trump. Couldve squashed usaid when they had the chance but pulled back. Let them reform and reorganize. Now it will be hell in every city in America until the weather turns cold. In a few weeks it will be riots added to the mix.

He will now be helpless to stop it because they can organize their lawfare and bog him down.

Will completely knee cap his entire term and it was totally avoidable.
 
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Of course they want fraud. They all want fraud, pub and dem alike. That is how they all got rich. How does someone on a $150K a year salary become a multimillionaire in five years? AOC couldn't afford a house before she was elected, now she wears 5K pants suits. They are corrupt AF and have stolen billions from taxpayers through back channels like USAID.

GP and make no mistake, they are Communists... saying they are "socialist's" or whatever, if they were not scared of their own shadows, they'd try physically forcing this stuff on America... Instead, they sue, sue, sue and make laws and regs via backdoor add-ons to bills and such that seem harmless and then tell people about it .......afterwards... I mean, they never had time to read it...
 
Utah, NM, Col... all the same shithole place, IMO.

Drove to Farmington, NM for a TTORA takeover in 2007 and then went up to MOAB in Utah for a couple days after that. Top-notch wheeling, had a great time with the club guys, but our experience with the locals was so bad everywhere we went, that was my last trip out west, probably ever... and that was 20 years ago.

I've been in places where I've felt unwelcome, but being made to feel less-than be an entire society is F'd-up.
You’re missing out. If you like the outdoors, Utah might be my favorite state. Has it all…mountains, desert, canyons. Truly spectacular
 
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