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How will they rule ??!

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I think it depends on what you're using tariffs for. In this case, I think it is to pressure our trading partners into agreeing to free trade where NOBODY imposes tariffs.
If that is where we end up I will approve. I think you’re putting a lot of trust into someone who has not demonstrated that kind of strategic thinking in the past.
 
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At the end of December 2024, the S&P 500 price/earnings ratio was right at 30. Today, it's 28.84. Its long term average is 16.5-17.0 (depends on when you measure 'long term'). While P/E isn't the only 'fair price' measuring stick, it is one that a lot of analysts use. Many analysts have stated that artificially keeping interest rates low for a long period of time after the Great Recession and, more recently, the explosion of government deficit spending has inflated not only consumer prices but the stock market. That's not politics, that's Econ 101. Just before the Tech Bubble popped in 2000, the S&P P/E was roughly 34. From a historical perspective, the most recent market thru 2024 was greatly overvalued even though, in general, corporate earnings have remained consistently strong.

What can happen is: 1) the market declines, reducing the P/E ratio to more 'normal' levels before steadily growing again, 2) the market flattens for a while until earnings catch up, thus reducing the P/E ratio. From its lofty heights at the end of 2024, it would be quite unusual for the stock market to continue its steep climb. It could happen, of course, but math and history would bet against it.
It sounds like Bessent is wanting to do #2. I think they are willing to take a little short term pain to fundamentally fixing some of these ratios.
 
Have you been locked in a closet since Trump took office?? Prices are up on EVERYTHING and going higher with tariffs.
Stocks are sinking EVERY day.
He is a lunatic just like many predicted.
Honestly he's way worse than I thought he'd be.
What tariffs? Your article is a month old. There were no tariffs in February. Trump was literally president for 3 weeks when that article published. Again you get your dates wrong. You never learn.

Also, stocks are up and down, not sinking every day.

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I think it depends on what you're using tariffs for. In this case, I think it is to pressure our trading partners into agreeing to free trade where NOBODY imposes tariffs.

I admit i was unaware we just adjusted tariffs to match what was levied on us. I was already in favor because we don't have actual free trade anyway, but i see no logical reason to oppose matching.
 
What tariffs? Your article is a month old. There were no tariffs in February. Trump was literally president for 3 weeks when that article published. Again you get your dates wrong. You never learn.

Also, stocks are up and down, not sinking every day.

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The Leftists idiots don't understand the term "correction" at all... which is not surprising given they don't understand economics either.

Maybe we can get them to sell at lower prices so we can buy... and win again!

So here's my advice, as a 38 year Wall St fin advisor, to all Democrats: sell everything in the next 2 weeks. Put all your hundreds of dollars in proceeds in a bank savings account for the next 4 years.
 
No, MAGA is tired of paying 50% of our income to the fedgov and having it wasted. It's time foreign countries who have been ripping us off give some of that money back. We're freaking broke. And newsflash, tariffs raise wages at home and create jobs. Stop fearmongering, you come off like a complete ignoramus.

It's unfortunate, but there's no other way for him to come off.

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Ukrainian blood is on EU hands. They said they'd step up. They said they had Ukraine's back. They said they didn't need the US. They said they could send troops.

Ukrainian blood is on the hands of those who have the Ukraine flags on their Fb profiles, because they haven't sent Vlod his money, nor have they signed up to go defend Ukraine from Putin.

When are the liberals and moderate war-mongers going to step up to the plate for Ukraine? Lead by example. Send your money. Take up arms in Kyiv. Let us know how it goes when you get back.

When are the liberals going to go help the SA mobs kill light-skinned people? When are they going to step up and take one for the benefit of the mobs? Surely they want justice and to help the mobs kill more white people? Why don't they just volunteer to be raped, tortured, and killed by the SA mobs? Those poor oppressed murderers and rapists need more victims.

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While all of the liberals are touring Ukraine, tUK, and SA, we'll clean up the mess they made here. We'll start shooting looters and robbers. We'll make it safe to run a business in downtowns around the country.

We'll put to death those who take innocent lives through rape, murder, and violent assault so that no one in any country will again be their victims.

We'll bring back free speech and return words like "racism" back to their original meaning regardless of a person's pigmentation.

We'll work side by side with anyone who merits it, regardless of God-given, superficial traits, as long as they respect human life. We'll oust ideologies that seek to ban the rights of others through religion or politics, and bring back jobs to this country.

We'll stop letting people who hate this country, want to change our republic into a socialist "democracy," those who want the many to feed the able-bodied that dont want to work, cross into our country.

Then, when the liberals see how great martial law is in Ukraine, when they see how wonderful socialism is in Europe, and "anti-apartheid" racism is in SA, where they can rape and be raped without anyone being able to defend themselves or prosecute their attackers, they'll never want to come back to America. They'll finally be HOME
 
The Leftists idiots don't understand the term "correction" at all... which is not surprising given they don't understand economics either.

Maybe we can get them to sell at lower prices so we can buy... and win again!

So here's my advice, as a 38 year Wall St fin advisor, to all Democrats: sell everything in the next 2 weeks. Put all your hundreds of dollars in proceeds in a bank savings account for the next 4 years.

Economics to democrats = a check written by someone else based on the receiver's INHERENT value
 
The Leftists idiots don't understand the term "correction" at all... which is not surprising given they don't understand economics either.

Maybe we can get them to sell at lower prices so we can buy... and win again!

So here's my advice, as a 38 year Wall St fin advisor, to all Democrats: sell everything in the next 2 weeks. Put all your hundreds of dollars in proceeds in a bank savings account for the next 4 years.
I disagree. If there's going to be a market correction, this is the time to buy.
 
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No, MAGA is tired of paying 50% of our income to the fedgov and having it wasted. It's time foreign countries who have been ripping us off give some of that money back. We're freaking broke. And newsflash, tariffs raise wages at home and create jobs. Stop fearmongering, you come off like a complete ignoramus.
Tell that to families & investors who don't know what prices will be tomorrow with all the insane daily tax changes. Hint: tariffs are a form of tax. As I said, I don't oppose tariffs but you're too blinded to notice that. Tell me how many jobs were created with the increased steel tariffs Trump put on China in his first term.

 
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I admit i was unaware we just adjusted tariffs to match what was levied on us. I was already in favor because we don't have actual free trade anyway, but i see no logical reason to oppose matching.
Agreed, but we need to take it further. The whole world expects us to bail them out. They take advantage of us financially and militarily and then demand money through USAID. People have HAD IT. We're broke. Not just our national debt but WE THE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING BROKE. I pay so much tax I can barely get by. We've shut down NINETY THOUSAND FACTORIES since NAFTA. Tariffs will bring those back.

Tariffs were our country's lifeblood before 1913, before the income tax. We were a wealthy country. Now we're broke, sick, fat, and stupid. Americans need a shot in the arm. What better way than to say hey, your income taxes are going down and we're gonna take some of ours back from the rest of the world.
 
Andy won the election vs a usaid candidate that basically didn't even campaign. Plus there was more on the ticket than the one issue. Until now, a state view on education didn't much matter.

Imo it should all be at the county level.
Not sure what Dandy's 2023 election has to do with the 2024 education amendment defeat. Help, please.
 
Donald Trump, who leveraged his name to become the most famous person in the world before becoming president of the United States, has not demonstrated strategic thinking in the past.
And here I thought it was Lionel Messi. Or Pope Francis. Or Obama.
 
The Leftists idiots don't understand the term "correction" at all... which is not surprising given they don't understand economics either.

Maybe we can get them to sell at lower prices so we can buy... and win again!

So here's my advice, as a 38 year Wall St fin advisor, to all Democrats: sell everything in the next 2 weeks. Put all your hundreds of dollars in proceeds in a bank savings account for the next 4 years.
5000 has already done this months ago.
 
I posted but then deleted a video of what is happening in Syria. It’s just too graphic.

I encourage you to find it yourself. And I encourage you to speak out against Islamic immigration to the west. The alternative is too awful to contemplate.
 
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Absolutely true.
Trump and MAGA are seen as one with Putin by the world.
Gotta make you so proud as an American. 🤡





Russia. Russia. Russia.

Yes, they see him just as you and your MSDNC media do. That was never disputed; that's your mass psychosis.

But that's not everyone, just the European version of your delusion. your brainwashing and manufactured consent to get the ignorant, neurotic and easily manipulated, to support war. You know nothing about Europe, how they think or why. Everyone here, that is everyone not you, not addled by your woke mind virus, sees on a daily basis you can't evern understand America and its politic, why we should be proud. But your brainwashing machine, your gish gallop of useless CNN links makes you an expert on Europe just as it does everythging else you know less than nothing about, from the economy to markets to Science!.

 
And here I thought it was Lionel Messi. Or Pope Francis. Or Obama.

What’s your point? He only leveraged his name to become the 4th, or whatever number on the list, most famous person in the world so he’s not strategic? If he was definitively first it would have proven he was making strategic moves?
 
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China needs to just STFU with all the posturing. When the Air Force and Navy get the NGAD fighter jets, it's going to be game over. The Air Force says they have beta functional prototype, which means they're probably at about the 50 percent point in the development.

Blended wing (no vertical stabilizers and discreet/almost non-existent control surfaces.)

State of the art stealth and weapons radar

Enhanced thrust vectoring (which is how they'll be able to get away with such a radical blended wing design),

Vastly improved super cruise (Mach 1.8 w/o afterburners)

And the BIGGIE: Each fighter will have up to 6 unmanned "loyal wingman combat drones" accompanying it, which will be controlled through a combination of the "mother's" pilot and a ridiculously complex AI mission management system. The group will work in unison as one, with each drone capable of performing multiple mission and combat roles and the ability to modify those roles "on the fly" 😵‍💫 😵‍💫

It is going to be a quantum leap. It will put the US 25 plus years ahead of everyone else.
 
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No, MAGA is tired of paying 50% of our income to the fedgov and having it wasted. It's time foreign countries who have been ripping us off give some of that money back. We're freaking broke. And newsflash, tariffs raise wages at home and create jobs. Stop fearmongering, you come off like a complete ignoramus.
You and your idiot of a President who can't read and knows nothing of history are the ignorant ones.
Unfortunately we are all doomed to repeat the lessons of Hitler appeasement and Depression era tariffs because of King Clown.
****The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 was a disaster that made the Great Depression worse. The law raised tariffs on imports by about 20%, which led to retaliatory tariffs from other countries. This caused a dramatic decrease in international trade, which contributed to bank failures and a worsening economy.
How the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act failed:
Decreased exports: U.S. exports fell from $7 billion in 1929 to $2.5 billion in 1932.
Increased unemployment: Unemployment rose from 8% in 1930 to 25% in 1932–1933.
Decreased imports: U.S. imports fell from $4.4 billion in 1929 to $1.5 billion in 1933.
Decreased GNP: GNP fell from $103.1 billion in 1929 to $55.6 billion in 1933.
Contributed to bank failures: The tariff contributed to bank failures, particularly in agricultural regions.

MAGA ignorance is painfully stupid.
 
Yes, they see him just as you and your MSDNC media do. That was never disputed; that's your mass psychosis.

But that's not everyone, just the European version of your delusion. your brainwashing and manufactured consent to get the ignorant, neurotic and easily manipulated, to support war. You know nothing about Europe, how they think or why. Everyone here, that is everyone not you, not addled by your woke mind virus, sees on a daily basis you can't evern understand America and its politic, why we should be proud. But your brainwashing machine, your gish gallop of useless CNN links makes you an expert on Europe just as it does everythging else you know less than nothing about, from the economy to markets to Science!.

Ok. Are you Mr Hawley or Smoot?? 🤡
The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 was a disaster that made the Great Depression worse. The law raised tariffs on imports by about 20%, which led to retaliatory tariffs from other countries. This caused a dramatic decrease in international trade, which contributed to bank failures and a worsening economy.
How the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act failed:
Decreased exports: U.S. exports fell from $7 billion in 1929 to $2.5 billion in 1932.
Increased unemployment: Unemployment rose from 8% in 1930 to 25% in 1932–1933.
Decreased imports: U.S. imports fell from $4.4 billion in 1929 to $1.5 billion in 1933.
Decreased GNP: GNP fell from $103.1 billion in 1929 to $55.6 billion in 1933.
Contributed to bank failures: The tariff contributed to bank failures, particularly in agricultural regions.
 
What’s your point? He only leveraged his name to become the 4th, or whatever number on the list, most famous person in the world so he’s not strategic? If he was definitively first it would have proven he was making strategic moves?
Famous or not, he made a metric shit ton of "strategic moves" to build his business empire.
 
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When exactly was the tipping point when Zelensky/Ukraine went from being the hood guys to the bad guys?

When were they EVER the "good" guys?

Did they become the "good" guys when our politicians started investing there, or when we bought and incited a coup, when we bought off a prosecutor, when Vlod suspended elections, when he jailed his political opposition, when we gave them weapons to shell Donbas, when Russia took Crimea, or when Russia invaded?

What makes them good? Corruption? Continued graft and lack of accounting for over 240 billions in funds over the last few years?

That's a nice blue they got on their flag. I guess we'll have to go with that?
 
Tell that to families & investors who don't know what prices will be tomorrow with all the insane daily tax changes. Hint: tariffs are a form of tax. As I said, I don't oppose tariffs but you're too blinded to notice that. Tell me how many jobs were created with the increased steel tariffs Trump put on China in his first term.

When your source sites the progressive policy Institute, you have no credibility.
 
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When exactly was the tipping point when Zelensky/Ukraine went from being the hood guys to the bad guys?
When the Trump and Musk reign began.

"The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy." Elon Musk

"The death of human empathy is one of the earliest and most telling signs of a culture about to fall into barbarism."
— Hannah Arendt
 
China needs to just STFU with all the posturing. When the Air Force and Navy get the NGAD fighter jets, it's going to be game over. The Air Force says they have beta functional prototype, which means they're probably at about the 50 percent point in the development.

Blended wing (no vertical stabilizers and discreet/almost non-existent control surfaces.)

State of the art stealth and weapons radar

Enhanced thrust vectoring (which is how they'll be able to get away with such a radical blended wing design),

Vastly improved super cruise (Mach 1.8 w/o afterburners)

And the BIGGIE: Each fighter will have up to 6 unmanned "loyal wingman combat drones" accompanying it, which will be controlled through a combination of the "mother's" pilot and a ridiculously complex AI mission management system. The group will work in unison as one, with each drone capable of performing multiple mission and combat roles and the ability to modify those roles "on the fly" 😵‍💫 😵‍💫

It is going to be a quantum leap. It will put the US 25 plus years ahead of everyone else.

If Joe didn't sell them the plans already
 
When were they EVER the "good" guys?

Did they become the "good" guys when our politicians started investing there, or when we bought and incited a coup, when we bought off a prosecutor, when Vlod suspended elections, when he jailed his political opposition, when we gave them weapons to shell Donbas, when Russia took Crimea, or when Russia invaded?

What makes them good? Corruption? Continued graft and lack of accounting for over 240 billions in funds over the last few years?

That's a nice blue they got on their flag. I guess we'll have to go with that?
I suppose, from my finite memory , was when they were officially invaded and everyone had a "I stand w Ukraine" flag in their FB post, when we saw Zelensky joining his people on the streets in war, and SNL had this. I'm looking for a specific event or set of events. Admittedly, I haven't followed that closely:

 
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