POLITICAL THREAD

[55wildcat]

 

[WayneDougan]

Americans HATE HATE HATE Social Security. The money isn't enough, they have to decide when to start taking it, and the taxes go up every year. Cost of living outpaces SS on the regular. EVERY SINGLE SENIOR I have EVER talked to complains about SS. It's a dependency that is NOT healthy. If it was actually privatized then Seniors would actually have some real money in their bank accounts. But the government uses fancy accounting tricks to STEAL from Social Security and they just give seniors a pittance.

Did Mike-McDickhead just double down on being stupid? Rhetorical question: yes, he did!

What you posted above about was that American retirees want MORE SS. Not less.

Here are real public opinion polls about SS. Americans love it, dickhead.

SS Public Opinion

 

[vhcat70]

Make America Great Again is simple and honest. While being simplistic in concept, it requires honesty in application because all it requires is a want to curb corruption and do the right thing.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is either a mental illness due to ignorance or a corrupt mindset mired in stupidity. Therefore, there is no space in between. Riding the fence is just cowardice. You are either for America or against her. Simple really.

Disagree. You can be for the US being great & not be lockstep with whatever Trump says & wants. To imply there's no room for disagreement with Trump & having TDS is a rejection of freedom.

 

[55wildcat]

 

[Mike-McD]

If we just went back to 2019 spending and FROZE it there, we'd be well on our way to paying off the national debt.

 

[55wildcat]

 

[vhcat70]

Because rinos are also involved in many of these schemes it is unlikely she will be voted into the AG position.

Since rinos apparently don't want to MAGA, they have TDS, right?

 

[55wildcat]

 

[warrior-cat]

The problem with many Republicans is that they are as delusional as those on the left, and that causes us to lose elections. Americans LOVE Social Security. They absolutely LOVE it. So when a few of guys say, "we need to phase it out" without what you would put in its place you sound like lunatic leftists who say we need to implement communism. Either provide an iron clad solution that the majority of voters would at least listen to or shut the F up.

Now, take that angry "taxation is theft" asshole on here. 1) He doesn't even address what we'd do with all these old people who can't work and have no money. I'd respect him a little more if he just said, "let them starve and die" because at least you'd be honest. But seriously, provide an idea of how you'd manage that. 2) Also he needs to provide a way for roads, schools, police, fire and defense to be funded without taxes. Or is he suggesting the police send him a bill each time he needs some help?

My question is how you would pay the current recipients their due SS if you were to go to a new system such as you suggest. If not mistaken does not the current money taken in pay for those now on it? Also, would they take the money you have already paid in (those not retired yet) and give it back to you to invest it in the new system so that you have not lost that money? A new system which I agree we need would take some serious planning so as to not disrupt current payments. Overhauling the current system would take a lot of work and some genius planning.

Oh, and about taxes, yeah, we need them, but not as much as we are paying in imo. Also, I am not opposed to letting those who do not work (capable people) starve (not the elderly of course) to the point to which maybe they will contribute by actually getting a job.

 

[Mike-McD]

This is a parody account.

 

[WayneDougan]

Americans want more spending and less taxes. They don't realize the delta is still a tax.

 

[WayneDougan]

My question is how you would pay the current recipients their due SS if you were to go to a new system such as you suggest. If not mistaken does not the current money taken in pay for those now on it? Also, would they take the money you have already paid in (those not retired yet) and give it back to you to invest it in the new system so that you have not lost that money? A new system which I agree we need would take some serious planning so as to not disrupt current payments. Overhauling the current system would take a lot of work and some genius planning.

Oh, and about taxes, yeah, we need them, but not as much as we are paying in imo. Also, I am not opposed to letting those who do not work (capable people) starve (not the elderly of course) to the point to which maybe they will contribute by actually getting a job.

It's not really possible. SS was doomed to fail unless our population grew exponentially.

 

[FirewithFire]

Well that should kick of WWIII pretty quick. If this is true then it's time to invoke the 25th amendment or anything to get rid of these assholes before they destroy the entire world.

WTF are they trying so hard to protect over there anyway? And don't tell me this is some altruistic move by the US government to help those who are being attacked and oppressed. The US government is one of the most honorless groups on this spinning rock. They only intervene in things that directly benefit them.



NYT article about this.

https://archive.is/4G56L

 

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[BBUK]

Great news!!! Thanks for posting this.

HALLELUJAH!!!!!

 

[BBUK]

Well that should kick of WWIII pretty quick. If this is true then it's time to invoke the 25th amendment or anything to get rid of these assholes before they destroy the entire world.

WTF are they trying so hard to protect over there anyway? And don't tell me this is some altruistic move by the US government to help those who are being attacked and oppressed. The US government is one of the most honorless groups on this spinning rock. They only intervene in things that directly benefit them.

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NYT article about this.

https://archive.is/4G56L

So, Communists, giving Communists American Weapons... Nothing to see here.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Except Klinger was doing it to prove he was mentally ill.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Best imitation yet. 🤣

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

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[OHIO COLONEL]

Now Jack Smith needs to be imprisoned. What a scumbag.

For going after Trump in lawfare....and for ruining the career of Bob McDonnell in Virginia as well.

 

[warrior-cat]

Disagree. You can be for the US being great & not be lockstep with whatever Trump says & wants. To imply there's no room for disagreement with Trump & having TDS is a rejection of freedom.

False.

It is not what was implied. It is just simply expressing basic insight into MAGA. 100% MAGA does not mean you agree totally with everything he does, it simply means you agree with the concept and general idea of MAGA. Once again, it is just as simple as that. TDS keeps you and some others from getting on board simply because of a caustic kind of hate.

 

[warrior-cat]

Since rinos apparently don't want to MAGA, they have TDS, right?

Along with greed, yes.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Except Klinger was doing it to prove he was mentally ill.

I'll take Klinger wearing a white wedding dress before Labor Day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this actual mental illness worship any day

 

[Lost In FL]

Thanks BlueRunner11. I got my hopes up too soon.

Floating a trial balloon??

 

[warrior-cat]

It's not really possible. SS was doomed to fail unless our population grew exponentially.

What's not possible? Keeping the current payments and starting a new system? If so, I can agree to a point unless you can divert some of the money we currently spend on pork, the Ukraine laundering scheme, green new deal, and a myriad of other programs we could either dissolve or lesson the cost of.

 

[BBUK]

The accounting systems used in DoD today (BQ & CRIS being 2 of the biguns) were not designed to do what you're asking it to do. And they were definitely not designed to comply with gaap. In that sense, you're right and the expenditures will never balance to a purchase. Esp when you consider all that goes into a program office and testing, facilities and what not. When you try to amortize all of those other costs to eventually buy a hammer, that is literally how you end up with a 100 dollar hammer. (and it is probably nuke certified lol)

I am NOT saying there isn't problems with how DoD spends money ... I love Newt's line at the F-22 rollout outside of ATL ..."let's turn the Pentagon into a triangle".

There is where the problem lies IMO. When Executive staffs are manned at 100% and Command staffs are manned at 90% and actual execution staffs manned at 60%, AND the only way the "Executive staff" member gets ahead is by creating a new policy ... you end up with a bunch of dumbass policies and no one to ever execute it fully (sometimes a good thing!) nor adequate time to train or understand. They can tell you where $$ went in terms of contractor, test event, sub-contractors, manpower, TDY, but not in terms of one asset.

I can agree with you to this end. The fraud comes from knowing what you put in is not what comes out. Key word, "knowing". I have been thankful to not have been near the end product(s), maybe I should have been nearer the end products as I know in my heart what I'd do. The issue that will get the scum in the end is that their SME's love talking and explaining what they were able to accomplish. That will be what costs them in the end...

 

[BBUK]

What's not possible? Keeping the current payments and starting a new system? If so, I can agree to a point unless you can divert some of the money we currently spend on pork, the Ukraine laundering scheme, green new deal, and a myriad of other programs we could either dissolve or lesson the cost of.

Yes Sir,

The thing with SS is, it has never been a lock box. SS has been robbed, pilfered, and luted as desired. Never has been a "lockbox" like Al Gore himself stated and W used too in the same debate thinking it sounded smart. Instead of telling Gore that was as stupid remark. SS has never been a lock box.

Take away ALL the stolen wealth of this country and there is more than enough to take care of our citizens who earned the right of SS by paying into it.

 

[BBUK]

It should absolutely be investigated along with any others of both parties. However i want to see irrefutable evidence if they are going to prosecute. The prosecution needs to be above reproach.

And the money taken back as well.... Take back the ill-gotten gains...

 

[WayneDougan]

What's not possible? Keeping the current payments and starting a new system? If so, I can agree to a point unless you can divert some of the money we currently spend on pork, the Ukraine laundering scheme, green new deal, and a myriad of other programs we could either dissolve or lesson the cost of.

The math doesn't seem feasible or fair. I only see two scenarios to even coming close to making this work for the next 50 years.

Scenario 1:

• Boomers get their full SS benefits
• Generations that come afterwards fund boomers, but their payout structure is significantly less
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

Scenario 2:

• Immediately switch Boomers to means tested SS benefits (e.g., you only get full benefits if you need it and if you're worth millions you get nothing).
• Generations that come afterwards are subject to same rules as boomers.
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

In either case, the younger generations aren't getting paid out like the older generations did (e.g., greatest generation).

in the second scenario, boomers would never go for it.

Boomers have significantly more wealth than those who are younger. Kind of effed up that the poor young are funding the rich old.

 

[BBUK]

This is a parody account.

Yeah but Ole Nancy puked out her ice cream...

 

[BBUK]

The math doesn't seem feasible or fair. I only see two scenarios to even coming close to making this work for the next 50 years.

Scenario 1:

• Boomers get their full SS benefits
• Generations that come afterwards fund boomers, but their payout structure is significantly less
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

Scenario 2:

• Immediately switch Boomers to means tested SS benefits (e.g., you only get full benefits if you need it and if you're worth millions you get nothing).
• Generations that come afterwards are subject to same rules as boomers.
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

In either case, the younger generations aren't getting paid out like the older generations.

in the second scenario, boomers would never go for it.

Boomers have significantly more wealth than those who are younger. Kind of effed up that the poor young are funding the rich old.

At first glance that is just weird... A heckuv a weird take...

 

[WayneDougan]

At first glance that is just weird... A heckuv a weird take...

SS can only be solvent if you generate additional SS funds or reduce the payouts (or both). How was that weird?

 

[BBUK]

SS can only be solvent if you generate additional SS funds or reduce the payouts (or both). How was that weird?

Had SS not been robbed, raped, and pillaged. This conversation would not be happening at all which is the weird part. Focus on the robbing, raping, and pillaging...

 

[WayneDougan]

Had SS not been robbed, raped, and pillaged. Focus on the robbing, raping, and pillaging...

Can you give me an example of how SS has been robbed, raped and pillaged? Be specific.

 

[berniecarbo]

Social security is a mess and something needs to be done, but the doing of what needs to be done will be extremely difficult. Just to many ifs, when's and buts. I don't see even a satisfactory answer, let alone a good one.

 

[JHannibalSmith]

Trey Gowdy was on the other day saying he thought Trump should pardon Hunter because Biden has already lost one son and for an old man to worry about Hunter in his senior years is just not right. My reply to Gowdy would be, f**k Biden AND Hunter, I have zero empathy for the criminal things they have done, and they never not once worried about the American people.

And, F Gowdy, too. They don’t deserve one ounce of empathy. Biden’s bs has directly led to countless other fathers losing sons/daughters. The Afghanistan withdrawal & the border debacle, alone, have led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths & destroyed families. He won’t even acknowledge the victims, either. Much less worry about those parents missing their children.

F him! He DESERVES to be burdened by that worry & I pray to God that it happens & it tortures him every waking second. Actually, I hope he’s also punished to the fullest extent of the law & that he isn’t even around to worry about that lost pos son. And, he’s only the start. This entire administration needs to be dealt with, accordingly. Everything they’ve done has been intentional. And, they should pay for that. Dearly.

 

[Lost In FL]

The math doesn't seem feasible or fair. I only see two scenarios to even coming close to making this work for the next 50 years.

Scenario 1:

• Boomers get their full SS benefits
• Generations that come afterwards fund boomers, but their payout structure is significantly less
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

Scenario 2:

• Immediately switch Boomers to means tested SS benefits (e.g., you only get full benefits if you need it and if you're worth millions you get nothing).
• Generations that come afterwards are subject to same rules as boomers.
• Eliminate ceiling for paying into SS

In either case, the younger generations aren't getting paid out like the older generations did (e.g., greatest generation).

in the second scenario, boomers would never go for it.

Boomers have significantly more wealth than those who are younger. Kind of effed up that the poor young are funding the rich old.

The SS ponzi scheme mayh doesnt work out in the end. Esp when new benefits are added. There is an easier answer but i dont want to type it all into the phone. In (very) short, let ppl opt out. Their employer continues to pay the match and the employee keeps his 6.2%. That is a 6.2% raise right now. But do not come back 10 yrs from now expecting govt funded retirement.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[Lost In FL]

Here is an idea ... what about Byron Donald for Senate to replace Rubio.

And Ben Shapiro or Cahrlie Kirk for press secretary. They would never do it, but it would be interesting to watch!