POLITICAL THREAD

[trueblujr2]

This is truly amazing. Think about the type of psycho it takes to keep two college sports message boards handles up for almost 10 years and act like they are legitimately different people. A professional troll is one thing; at least they seemingly have a goal. RQ just got outed as a liar and a cheat and created a fake account to defend himself and simply cannot let his alter ego go.

Next time anything bizarre happens in Nashville (i.e. crazy person with feces smeared all over themselves threatens to blow up the Hardee's for working with Trump) I'm going to assume it's RQ until fuzz makes a post in here.

I can't stop laughing at the progression from "never met the guy" ---->>> "I think fuzz is from Versailles, idk" ---->>> "We're actually good friends and tailgate together and live in the same town and lol we laugh about how you dummies think we're the same person". Give it up, RQ. Literally no one is buying it; except you and you're obviously broken psyche

Ahhhhhh, so HE'S the guy I see wandering around the tailgate areas talking to himself. mumbling stuff about teachers, Nashville...mostly gibberish.

 

[qwesley]

Raised it less than 5%. And Reagan cut them how many times? How did that work? How is it working now?

5 percentage points is not 5%. So you are saying the debt was exploding and it did not effect income equality because it wasn't enough? Has the govt shown they deserve more of anyone's money? Too little "trickles" out of DC.

Many economist would argue the pro-business policies fueled the boom of the 90s. Also we were trying to recover from the Carter collapse.

 

[ballerstu2u]

Huge, Gigantic difference between the Wealthy or anyone for that matter VOLUNTARILY donating their money directly to worthy causes versus the government forcing it on everyone through taxation, then actually distributing pennies on the dollar to those causes because the rest goes into the pockets of politicians, lobbyists, and the 4932 government interns they have administering the socialist policy.

Are public schools, infrastructure, public parks, etc. worthy causes or socialist?

 

[Bill Cosby]

Are public schools, infrastructure, public parks, etc. worthy causes or socialist?

People really need to break down whether they're talking about a progressive federal income tax system, state and local taxes, etc.

I'm fine paying taxes to my city to support schools, parks, etc. I do not want to send money to Washington to line someone's pockets and have a small fraction sent to bum**** Alaska where 2 people live and want a new swing set in a park.

 

[bushrod1965]

Mostly true, now get ahold of your feelings and tell us how Andy and a return to Dem leadership is the answer.

First, I’m not an Andy guy. I thought Adkins was the best option of the Dems who ran. He was the most moderate of any of the gubernatorial candidates and the one most likely to reach across the aisle and attempt to work in a bipartisan fashion.

The main box that Beshear checks is one of divided government, which IMO is a good thing whether it be at the state or national level. One party rule, whether it be D’s or R’s is horrible for the public. No ideology or party platform should take precedent over the common good.

 

[ballerstu2u]

I think you're getting confused. It looks like you guys were talking about a progressive income tax system, then you switched to confusing all types of taxes.

Good, partisan read as to who actually pays more in taxes.
https://itep.org/whopays/

 

[qwesley]

Are public schools, infrastructure, public parks, etc. worthy causes or socialist?

"worthy" is defined by the left as "whatever it costs in taxes cannot be questioned"

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

Lower income people pay more of their earnings to taxes than those in higher tax brackets. And what happened with taxes after World War II?

This is why you are an ideologue and will never know the truth.

You can always cherry pick stats to suit your agenda, find a reasoning to justify your misguided beliefs.

What I am trying to show you radical leftists ( and make no mistake, your views are far left and equally loathsome as the far right supremacist ones youlove to justifiably deride) is the obviuos difference between what is, and what isn't. What you want to believe is true from what is actually true in practice. If you are unable to distinguish paying more earnings from paying more percentage and unable to understand that under your socialist dreams you will be paying both, more total gross and more percentage even in your lower income bracket, then you are simply not worthy of a place at the table of discussion.

My problem with you people is more fundamental; it's that you hate the rich and you hate the poor. You blame others for your problems without looking in the mirror first. You are disgusted by the poor and angry at the rich, if you can't have it why can they, it's not fair, right? You are like the kid who got madand took his ball home. If you can't have fun, they shouldn't either... they don't deserve it!

You will be just as unhappy in your socialist dreams as you are now, maybe even worse because then you may come to realize how deluded you are.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Good, partisan read as to who actually pays more in taxes.
https://itep.org/whopays/

Exactly. You can't discuss a progressive income tax system, then switch to talking about any and all taxes a person may pay.

 

[qwesley]

First, I’m not an Andy guy. I thought Adkins was the best option of the Dems who ran. He was the most moderate of any of the gubernatorial candidates and the one most likely to reach across the aisle and attempt to work in a bipartisan fashion.

The main box that Beshear checks is one of divided government, which IMO is a good thing whether it be at the state or national level. One party rule, whether it be D’s or R’s is horrible for the public. No ideology or party platform should take precedent over the common good.

Meh, sounds good but the absolute bottom line is that no Dem governor will ever truly take on pension reform, the State's largest fiscal problem. The reason it was so poorly conceived, managed, carelessly expanded, etc was from decades of Dem leadership. Public employees are the grassroots of the party.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

Good, partisan read as to who actually pays more in taxes.
https://itep.org/whopays/

I don't need to read that to know how they use statistics to mislead those who don't understand math.

 

[homeytheclown]

Are public schools, infrastructure, public parks, etc. worthy causes or socialist?

They are worthy but they are easily corrupted , and it is not their hard earned money they use to distribute.

 

[trueblujr2]

People really need to break down whether they're talking about a progressive federal income tax system, state and local taxes, etc.

I'm fine paying taxes to my city to support schools, parks, etc. I do not want to send money to Washington to line someone's pockets and have a small fraction sent to bum**** Alaska where 2 people live and want a new swing set in a park.

This... Schools, Parks, Public resources, Infrastructure, that's all good and well as long as the money they take from me is mostly all going towards those things. but don't take my hard earned tax dollars an use it to line the pockets of the bureaucrats while sending the rest to "those unwilling to work".

So Ballers? what's your stance on personal responsibility? I understand there are people less fortunate and those who need a boost, but if you're plan is to just prop them up with welfare programs, what's their incentive to get off of those programs. What policies do you want to put in place that ensures those people receiving assistance don't become reliant upon that assistance and actually work towards becoming self sufficient. Or do you really believe the government can take better care of people than they themselves can?

 

[ballerstu2u]

People really need

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I don't need to read that to know how they use statistics to mislead those who don't understand math.

They are worthy but they are easily corrupted , and it is not their hard earned money they use to distribute.

Even more reason to read then Cro.

Honey, I agree on corruption. All the more reason to vote for your beliefs and not some rich butthole who talks a good game. (The boards and council members being the rich buttholes, not Trump...this time)

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

It is not more reason to read, I am thoroughly familiar with all the arguments and don't need links. I have already done the research and my reasoning is based solely on math, not emotion as it is for you.

But like I said, what's happening in practice? Few pages ago we said how great Nashville was, how the city is booming and growing day by day. Why is that? People are leaving New York and California et al in droves because the progressive tax burden is too great on the middle class.

 

[ballerstu2u]

This... Schools, Parks, Public resources, Infrastructure, that's all good and well as long as the money they take from me is mostly all going towards those things. but don't take my hard earned tax dollars an use it to line the pockets of the bureaucrats while sending the rest to "those unwilling to work".

So Ballers? what's your stance on personal responsibility? I understand there are people less fortunate and those who need a boost, but if you're plan is to just prop them up with welfare programs, what's their incentive to get off of those programs. What policies do you want to put in place that ensures those people receiving assistance don't become reliant upon that assistance and actually work towards becoming self sufficient. Or do you really believe the government can take better care of people than they themselves can?

Numerous variables in the question. I believe, for America to truly be great, it’s our personal responsibility to help out everyone. Most of us on this board started at the least on second base, so what would be a problem for us to help out other people.

Government has helped out numerous people and hurt others. Can we not agree that redlining in the 50’s and 60’s , government discrimination, and economic gentrification assisted our parents and grandparents?

I’d say you put a time limit on assistance, only due to the volume and amount of others in need. We all are reliant on government. Some just need more help than others.

 

[ballerstu2u]

It is not more reason to read, I am thoroughly familiar with all the arguments and don't need links. I have already done the research and my reasoning is based solely on math, not emotion as it is for you.

But like I said, what's happening in practice? Few pages ago we said how great Nashville was, how the city is booming and growing day by day. Why is that? People are leaving New York and California et al in droves because the progressive tax burden is too great on the middle class.

Cro, why are they leaving? And what happens to the areas they move too?

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

They bring skills and economic growth to the areas with more favorable tax structure, strengthening the society where they move to.

The exact opposite is true of the less favorable tax homes they left.

 

[bushrod1965]

Meh, sounds good but the absolute bottom line is that no Dem governor will ever truly take on pension reform, the State's largest fiscal problem. The reason it was so poorly conceived, managed, carelessly expanded, etc was from decades of Dem leadership. Public employees are the grassroots of the party.

That’s not accurate. Pension reform has been taken on multiple times and by Democratic governors. KRS, the most poorly funded of all the state retirement systems has undergone reform twice (most recently in 2013) with employees now under three different tiers of benefits contingent on their hire date. Each “reform” has progressively reduced benefits. The missing piece from each of the reforms has been full funding of the ARC. For any pension reform legislation to be successful, it must go hand-in-hand with a tax reform piece to provide a dedicated revenue stream to fund the ARC and pay down the unfunded liability. Bevin and the Republicans have run scared from true tax reform. Why? The Kentucky Chamber of Commerce is the reason. You can tout public employees pulling the strings of the Democrats but the flip side is the Republicans strings are pulled by the Chamber. I’ve had countless conversations with both R and D legislators while in Frankfort and both will answer that the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce is currently running the Kentucky Legislature.

 

[qwesley]

That’s not accurate. Pension reform has been taken on multiple times and by Democratic governors. KRS, the most poorly funded of all the state retirement systems has undergone reform twice (most recently in 2013) with employees now under three different tiers of benefits contingent on their hire date. Each “reform” has progressively reduced benefits. The missing piece from each of the reforms has been full funding of the ARC. For any pension reform legislation to be successful, it must go hand-in-hand with a tax reform piece to provide a dedicated revenue stream to fund the ARC and pay down the unfunded liability. Bevin and the Republicans have run scared from true tax reform. Why? The Kentucky Chamber of Commerce is the reason. You can tout public employees pulling the strings of the Democrats but the flip side is the Republicans strings are pulled by the Chamber. I’ve had countless conversations with both R and D legislators while in Frankfort and both will answer that the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce is currently running the Kentucky Legislature.

“Tax Reform”=more taxes. Fact of the matter is that none of those minor changes really changed things and at the same time more people have been allowed into a flawed model. And you no possible spin from decades of dem control. Yes the GOP has failed to fix impossible math.

 

[trueblujr2]

They bring skills and economic growth to the areas with more favorable tax structure, strengthening the society where they move to.

The exact opposite is true of the less favorable tax homes they left.

They also have a tendency to bring their far left liberal ideologies with them and soon the places they migrate too start to experience similar problems to the ones they left behind in the first place.

 

[ballerstu2u]

They bring skills and economic growth to the areas with more favorable tax structure, strengthening the society where they move to.

The exact opposite is true of the less favorable tax homes they left.

You may want to read up on that. Specifically those people who are moving, what they’re bringing, and what’s going up. Charlotte would be a great, comparable city to Nashville for additional reference

 

[Bill Cosby]

To be honest, I really dont give a shit about the teacher's pension going bankrupt at this point. The unions made their bed they'll get to sleep in eventually. Hopefully all the teachers find good husbands to support them before then.

 

[ballerstu2u]

They also have a tendency to bring their far left liberal ideologies with them and soon the places they migrate too start to experience similar problems to the ones they left behind in the first place.

Bingo. Not to mention the property values skyrocketing, raising property taxes and forcing some people out completely.

 

[Bill Derington]

Raised it less than 5%. And Reagan cut them how many times?
HHow did that work? How is it working now?

Were you alive in the 80’s? It worked out great when Reagan lowered taxes. The economy boomed just like it is now.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Day before yesterday. Wow.

Is that real? I hope so

 

[CUJO_1970]

Day before yesterday. Wow.

Sorry, but yes - that is actually Woodstock.

 

[bushrod1965]

“Tax Reform”=more taxes. Fact of the matter is that none of those minor changes really changed things and at the same time more people have been allowed into a flawed model. And you no possible spin from decades of dem control. Yes the GOP has failed to fix impossible math.

Absolutely, tax reform cannot be revenue neutral and must equal additional revenue. Kentucky’s tax code currently exempts more revenue to special interests than it brings in. I know math is hard but a $40-$60 billion dollar debt can’t be repaid without additional dollars.

 

[P19978]

So the top 2 in the Iowa Democratic poll are a pedophile and a socialist.

Congrats to the Democratic Party!

 

[Bill Cosby]

Increasing income tax rates in Kentucky that are already higher than neighboring states will be a great way to grow revenue.

 

[KopiKat]

I'm not sure how people who perform abortions are called doctors. Doing this after there's a heartbeat doesn't speak well of our country.

Just think of it as how the person who may de-energize the circuitry of an operating facility may still be called an "electrician" . . . and how doing it 'properly' does speak well for his craft and local IBEW hall. Same thing.

 

[Bill Cosby]

So the top 2 in the Iowa Democratic poll are a pedophile and a socialist.

Congrats to the Democratic Party!

Democrat. Not Democratic. Huge pet peeve of mine.

"Democratic" would imply they listen to voters, not rig elections for their Queen.

 

[GonzoCat90]

You also don't see unborn babies protesting against it either. Sounds like they're okay with it to me.

 

[P19978]

Democrat. Not Democratic. Huge pet peeve of mine.

"Democratic" would imply they listen to voters, not rig elections for their Queen.

My bad: you are correct.

I will try to do better in the future lol.

 

[BigBlueDave]

Were you alive in the 80’s? It worked out great when Reagan lowered taxes. The economy boomed just like it is now.

There was so much growth, the only spin the Dems used was "the decade of greed."

Clinton lucks into the .com bubble and not nary a word about greed.

 

[ballerstu2u]

Bingo

Were you alive in the 80’s? It worked out great when Reagan lowered taxes. The economy boomed just like it is now.

Yes, I was around. And Reaganomics was ineffective. Giving tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations did not work then, will not work now.

 

[Bill Derington]

Yes, I was around. And Reaganomics was ineffective. Giving tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations did not work then, will not work now.

There is no way you can say that honestly, none.
The economy was gangbusters in the 80’s, as it is now.
Everyone got tax cuts, this notion it was only for corporations and the wealthy is disingenuous.

 

[qwesley]

Absolutely, tax reform cannot be revenue neutral and must equal additional revenue. Kentucky’s tax code currently exempts more revenue to special interests than it brings in. I know math is hard but a $40-$60 billion dollar debt can’t be repaid without additional dollars.

What are the public employees offering up to go along with higher taxes?

I do enjoy all the nomenclature used by the left to avoid saying "we need to raise taxes". "Additional revenue" is my fave.

 

[BigSexyCat]

I'll go with Rocky. Beshear is a robotic politician and Bevin is well Bevin.

 

[rudd1]

-wish Gray would do so. Helluva job as mayor of Lexington. Businessman>Lawyer.