POLITICAL THREAD
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You said he was a monster because he suppressed votes.
I said I bet you mean he pushed for voter ID laws
You said yes, but those voter suppression because courts said so
I said no, they're struck down because of cost involved in ID
You responded with something that was a complete non sequitur
Now you say it's suppression again but this time because it targeted Jewish in other communities. Requiring EVERYONE to get an ID doesn't target any particular race.
So continue on with the next nonsense rathole/strawman/non sequitur response; and I'll shoot it down too
In America, you have the freedom to slam beers and doritos all day. In America, you have the freedom to not have healthcare.
And people are mad about that. Ha!
FREEDOM, you guys cannot stand it!
It's not fair! Why does America have all this freedom (slowly eroding, but still...) while the rest of the world has less?
And people are mad about that. Ha!
FREEDOM, you guys cannot stand it!
It's not fair! Why does America have all this freedom (slowly eroding, but still...) while the rest of the world has less?
Ever seen the teeth of a Brit?
Strawman? How is anything I said a strawman argument? You literally posted a picture that said poverty exists because of greedy rich people.
My rebuttal to that was, those greedy rich people and the system that helped allow this people to become greedy rich people. Has done more to combat global poverty than any other system.
Nothing I said was a strawman.
I'm okay with Trumpy not getting involved and wasting money on problems of other countries. I'm pretty sure he's said he would like to get out of the business of war and meddling. Seems to me he catches crap from both sides on the matter.
The real question is if the Venezuela situation goes tits up and things get real ugly down there will liberals and never Trump pubs be able to help themselves from piling on Trump for not helping somehow?
Will be very interesting to watch that situation unfold.
For the most part, I'd like to retreat from the world and get our house in order, however, I understand that shit from other countries and regions always seems to affect us somehow.
If we get involved we're in a mess. If we don't then we deal with the fall out in some way shape or form. Humanitarian crises as a result of a failed state and all that comes with it. Mass displacement of people, something worse rising from the ashes, etc...
The world and a lot of folks at home don't want "imperialist Americans putting their WASPy little colonizing privileged fingers in too many pies..." but when things get rough, it is our "moral obligation to help out in the form aide and other resources as well as to take in displaced people and take care of them..."
Regardless, Venezuela is almost too close to home to ignore.
Insane fits you perfectly. Do some research on your own so you can see that you don't know what you are talking about. Kansas has voter ID laws. They have never been struck down by the courts. EVERYTIME I GO TO VOTE I HAVE TO SHOW A VALID ID. One year, I showed up and my license had expired and was denied, so I had to go to the DMV to get a new license before I was allowed to vote again. Again, the state of Kansas has voter ID laws. This is what drives me nuts because you don't even live here, refuse to look into things on your own, and just spout things that are false. The state of KS will provide an ID for free.
Then you bring in the Jews when I was simply responding to your comment about the measles outbreak in NY and your claim that it had to be the refugees and not the anti-vaxxers. You can't even follow that they were different topics.
Either you are a complete idiot or the ultimate troll. Board regulars, what say you?
Corporations (and this time once again it is oil) will be the driving factor here
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
Scroll down to 2010s. Surprise, we're currently involved in Uganda, Syria, Iraq, Cameroon, Afghanistan, and Yemen! Obama has many more than 2 conflicts on his report card. Yemen is specifically horrifying, look it up. It started under Clinton/Obama and needs to end. Obama announced war with Syria, had a social media backlash, cancelled it, and we're somehow in Syria anyway! He killed the antiwar left.
If you are antiwar, be antiwar. Instead of supporting Trumps call for withdraw in Syria and Afghanistan, you bullshit antiwar lefties continued to shit on him with Russian conspiracies. Despicable.
Dude that picture is about capitalism/socialism.
"Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but we cannot satisfy the rich."
What do you think the message is behind that? It's talking about wealth redistribution. It's basically saying we have the means, but these greedy wealthy guys hog it.
Are you being obtuse just to be obtuse? Or do you actually not understand the meanings behind the memes you post?
I'm not anti-war per se I'm against unnecessary war and I made that perfectly clear which you chose to ignore. You're tilting at windmills.
At that point we were talking about voter ID laws in general. You said they are struck down because they suppress votes. I pointed out that was false.
The only Kansas specific argument you made was that he was a monster for suppressing votes.
What are you talking about? You literally posted a meme talking about lack or wealth redistribution and rich hogging wealth. Then say you never brought up capitalism.
Im starting to understand why you rarely ever write posts on here and the vast majority of the things you post are just memes. I don't think you can comprehend half the crap that is going on. So you just find memes that you think are progressive and post them.
I think i've said this before, but this is EXACTLY why I dropped my support of Obama. And really quickly. Don't get me wrong, there are many, many, many other reasons not to like him. But when I voted for him in 2008 I really thought he was going to stop all these pointless wars. Instead he increased them.
Is Levi up to his old tricks again? I wouldn't know. #ignorethebooty
"Under ordinary circumstances the repressed and despised parts of our personalities manifest themselves as small human foibles or weaknesses in character that foster only petty acts with minor harmful consequences. In the crucible of war those same weaknesses and petty acts can lead to consequences of immense horror and evil." Karl Marlantes Decorated Marine Lt. Vietnam veteran.
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.---Spartan King, quoted by Thucydides
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.---Spartan King, quoted by Thucydides
I've been confused as to which political spectrum these anti-vaxxers are. Sadly I know a few (yay, NYS), and they range. A few anti-science types and then a few earthy hippie libs. This stupidity appears to have no political bias.
Still the fact is he inherited two wars on two fronts, one that Bush was roundly advised not to enter because it would result in an non-ending conflict. That advice was given to George W Bush specifically by Brent Scowcroft and George H Bush. The best way to end a war is to stay out of them if possible.
I doubt seriously you understand anything about me since you are so slow in understanding why your response has been so gloriously narrow-minded and disconnected from me or the meme you think you understand.
The "I'm too complex to be understood because I'm way above you" kinda guy.Shut up. You're one of the least informed people that has ever posted on here. I also bet your family hates your self-centered attitude too. Probably wished they could have gotten a mulligan on your pathetic ass. Too bad that NY abortion law came too late
Never mind Levi. The guy is a mental midget. Obama killed more people than Bush and Bush was the second most awful president ever. 1st was muslim kenyan born Obama
The conversation isn't about me at least not the conversation you avoid by insulting others. That's just you not being secure enough to admit what you don't know.
Shut up. You're one of the least informed people that has ever posted on here. I also bet your family hates your self-centered attitude too. Probably wished they could have gotten a mulligan on your pathetic ass. Too bad that NY abortion law came too late
I look forward to the day this evil hag croaks.
Oh I'm secure as shit. I'm just pointing out that you have a horrible sense of political ideology. It's cancerous and dangerous to mankind. I'm not a know-it-all. You are. People act like you are usually 99% wrong. Although I do agree with you on drugs.
To say Obama inherited two wars and not include that he sprung other wars and continued with the ones he inherited was dishonest and probably intentional. You are evil.
Hang on buddy I can’t even get past your second paragraph. Bush was coming in a month later??? October is 3 mos before January right not 1 month and he was still commander and chief right??? Also his VP was running against Bush so it was no forgone conclusion that “bush was coming in”. You fail bc you don’t know your history. Honestly your reply is full of bs garbage showing you know nothing. In 1998 I was in the foreign service (working for the state dept. if you don’t know what that is read up on it) and stationed in Somalia. So please listen to what I say bc you are uninformed.
The cole was attacked by members of al qaeda they are all suicide bombers so I don’t know why you highlight that. That’s a fact. What also is a fact is in the lead up to the attack on the cole they meaning al qaeda 1. Attacked the WTC in 1993 (do you know who Abdel-rahman is?) 2.declared war on the USA in 1996 then proceeded to attack our embassy’s in Tanzania and Kenya 1998. Clinton allowed these things to occur without any serious reprocussions. Clinton finally acknowledged bin laden war declaration but it was minimal at best.
From 1993 til the attack on the Cole clinton had plenty of justification to dismantle al qaeda and prevent 9/11 thus negating the bs we are involved in now. There’s nothing revisionist about that. Clinton did not do his job period! I don’t care what congress was doing it’s the job of the president to respond to threats against our interests and he didn’t do it even though there was a distinct progression of attacks against our interests.
Now that I’ve read your last paragraph I realize you are even more in the dark or perhaps just blinded by your partisan garbage. You think the USA didn’t lose blood an treasure all throughout the 90s bc of Iraq? We spent upwards of 500 billion with our constant 8 year bombardment of Iraq. Were you coherent then or were you 10? Weekly and even sometimes daily we struck Iraq, we enforced a no fly zone and had tens of thousands stationed in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Is that not treasure? The cole bombing was bc we had a presence in the region to contain sadam so there’s your blood moron.
You think we didn’t know about bin laden in the 90s? To say that would me we had no idea who bombed the WTC in 93 not who bombed our embassies in 98??? Not to mention bin laden himself declared war on The USA in 1996. Tell me who was clinton targeting in Afghanistan when he took bare minimum action in 1998 if our government didn’t know??
I’m no fan of bush or the Iraq war but if it didn’t happen then what would be going on now in iraq? More weekly/daily bombardment of their radar facilities? A continued enforcement of their no fly zone. You probably don’t know this but sadam invaded his neighbors. We weren’t going to just walk away. Do I think bush made the right decision at the time NO! But it was going to happen sooner or later it had to happen or we would have spent 40-50 years running bombing ops in Iraq. Now would that have been sustainable? The threat was building mightily in the 90s. Clinton ignored it bc he was weak. I was in Somalia at the time of the embassy bombings and know what our government knew about bin laden and al qaeda. You were in elementary school. And only woyld someone who was in elementary school or nursery school during that time make the comment “ You act as if what we know now we knew then when it concerns Osama Bin Laden”. We knew you fool. Clinton didn’t do dick about it. Wise up
My god man, its not like you posted some deep philosophical question. You posted a dumbass meme that has floated around the internet for years. Almost every single time I see one of the socialist claim America's system is broken because we have billionaires, I see this dumbass quote referenced in the comments. It is as straightforward of a quote as you can get. It is a shot at the wealthy, calling them greedy and a system that allows the rich to be greedy and hoard the money. Instead of a "common sense" system that says you are rich enough to the super rich and redistributes the wealth to the needy poor.
So don't come with this high and mighty attitude like Im just some narrow-minded idiot. You posted a stupid unoriginal meme. I gave a rebuttal to it and you had 0 rebuttal to that. All you had was "straw man".
I read Platinums posts, Jameslee, KRJ's post and even the new liberal on here posts. At least they actually think for themselves. You just post memes all day and can't handle it if someone calls out one of your memes. You are the worst kind of poster. Don't feel the need to reply to this either. Im tired of seeing your dumbass memes. You will be the only person I have on ignore on this site. Rant over.
Im not the biggest fan of hers (I know many on here are). But thought this was a good clip. Also goes to show how slimy these politicians can be. Taking something like this out of context to smear someones character on a stage like this by a Congressman shows just how far we have fallen in politics.
