POLITICAL THREAD

[JStaff2187]

Isn't "calling out" other people overrated? Be a good person, treat people with respect, don't be a dickhead. Let other people worry about how they act.

Usually yes. I agree. But I do have to go there right now after reading the above post.

Fuzz talking about being used by a party. Dems pushed Russian collusion down our throats for 2 years. He ate it up. I’m not saying the Republican Party is the answer, but Dems sure as hell aren’t.

 

[JStaff2187]

New Zealand POV video is hard to watch

Looking at some of the still frames is bad enough.

 

[homeytheclown]

Chris Rock is a successful African American. I don’t think he’s feeling too much pain suffering and oppression. I would gladly trade places with him.

Being down with the struggle when you are loaded is classic survival instinct. What do you do when you are outnumbered you try to pretend to be one of the gang so they won’t target you, the ole “naw leave him alone he is with us

Isn't "calling out" other people overrated? Be a good person, treat people with respect, don't be a dickhead. Let other people worry about how they act.

and before you go out lecturing others take a Long good look in the mirror

 

[JStaff2187]

 

[KRJ1975]

Usually yes. I agree. But I do have to go there right now after reading the above post.

Fuzz talking about being used by a party. Dems pushed Russian collusion down our throats for 2 years. He ate it up. I’m not saying the Republican Party is the answer, but Dems sure as hell aren’t.

Peal it baby!

 

[Levibooty]

I'm not sure what you are looking at, but according to a Tax Foundation article written in January of this year, the top 1% of all taxpayers earned 19.7% of all AGI in 2016 and paid 37.3% of all federal income taxes. The bottom 90% of taxpayers paid 30.5% of all income taxes.The top 1% also paid the highest average income tax rate of 26.9%. The article is linked if you care to educate yourself. https://taxfoundation.org/america-progressive-tax-system/

Since when is an NFL stadium and Federal benefit?

Saying corporations get tax breaks doesn't refute that we pay the taxes through the purchase of products and services. Why would I care if they get tax breaks if I pay the taxes when I buy their products and services? So that comment is completely meaningless with respect to the discussion.

Your argument about infrastructure ignores reality. The reason you see so many trucks, etc. using our infrastructure is because those companies are responding to our demands for products and services. Ultimately, all economic activity is because of people like you and me consuming products and services.

The profits for corporations go to owners of the corporation. I have a 401K plan, as do many people in this country. That plan owns stock in many different corporations. The profit from those corporations go to me and other owners of the corporation. Who should it go to?

You also didn't answer the original question from the other poster as to how wealthy people cause poverty.

I just read your response where you quoted the same source as I and used the same numbers but omitted some numbers I used and added some I didn't. The 1% paid 37.3 yeah we both said that although you left out they also own 40% of America's wealth, and you didn't even attempt to address the off-shore tax havens. The fact remains unchanged by your opinion revenue is collected where there is money.

You didn't address proportional benefits that corporations get from being the main consumers of our infrastructure, you just brushed it off so that's not accurate. You don't think that NFL stadiums are a source of income for NFL teams? They certainly didn't lay out all or even sometimes any of the money to build them yet charge the taxpayers who did to use them.

Yeah you see no problem with the trickle up systems where profits are increased by denying workers higher pay, using up our nations resources on the cheap, and paying out larger dividends to the already wealthy. I'm a capitalist also, I own stock as well but I still can differentiate between well run companies with policies that are good for America and Americans such as Costco and the greedy lousy China crapfests such as Wally World. Can't you? Surely you can see that.

 

[KRJ1975]

New Zealand POV video is hard to watch

Your Avatar is not.

 

[JStaff2187]

Your Avatar is not.

First thought that crossed my mind after reading his post.

 

[Bill Cosby]

It should be very simple, but it has evolved over the years to include incentives for certain behaviors, special interest incentives, etc. Today, I think there is a fear that simplifying it would harm accountants that make significant income from putting together tax filings.

Speaking as someone who makes his living doing compliance in a large part, I can assure you, the accountants hate the tax code more than anyone.

The Reorg provisions, most of Subchapter K, etc. that shit, while incredibly complicated, makes logical sense in a world where we have income tax. Those rules are complex because they can't be anything but complex. But at the end of the day, it's all there to ensure the taxes mirror economics of transactions and partnerships.

The changes to meals and entertainment, parking lot addbacks, 199A, 163(j), elimination of certain deductions, etc. etc. is all just bullshit layered on top of a bullshit code most of us would love to see gone.

If you're dealing with a CPA who like that bullshit because it makes things more complicated, find a new accountant because that guy is a hack.



Edit: And just to add, Congress writes the tax code, not accountants. Some of them just hide their stupidity better than AOC.

 

[screwduke1]

I wonder if giraffes use their long necks to lick their own ass.

Well....do they?

 

[Bill Derington]

I've searched for that "formal announcement" and failed to find it. Have a link?

It has been for several decades that white working class men have actively voted against their own economic interest that was being supported by Democrats. They have voted against organized labor resulting in the dissipation of the middle class in favor of "trickle down"...and what have they gotten for it? If your AR-15 is more important to you than your ability to earn a decent living and not rig the game even further in the direction of the 1% then that's on you. The GOP latched onto a couple of wedge issues and working class whites by large sold their souls so that the "real Republicans" could further stuff their pockets. Trump has paid for more abortions than most could count and would pay for another tomorrow if necessary and knows with his wealth he can always buy another regardless of legality but as long as he says what you want to hear...GBO!
So while the "white working class men" have been sliding down the economic ladder they have had to find others to blame. While they should be looking in the mirror they would rather blame it on minorities and the removal of barriers that have kept minorities down for so long.

The only thing that has changed with the Democratic party over the last 50 years is that is has opened its doors to those that for so long were met with closed doors. If that threatens you...

Meanwhile, the GOP has always served the 1%. They understand they can throw you a bone and you'll come running. Perhaps some day you'll realize you been used but if that comes at the point that the 1% control 80-90% of the economy then you'll be SOL.

Then why did Wall street get behind Hillary? If you think working got behind Trump because of race, and not because of the disappearance of manufacturing you're in denial. Do you think it's just happenstance that CEO salaries have exploded since manufacturing started exiting the States?

Trump immediately halted TPP, which would've been more of the same for workers. It's time to stop blaming everything on god damn race, and start looking at reality. It wasn't nor isn't about race, it was about jobs and the future.

Your entire point of view is based on race, and you have the gall to claim other people voted on racial issues, you're the problem and don't even realize it.

 

[ram1955]

Not for responsible using adults. Food can be an addiction and way more unhealthy for someone if used improperly.

Is there a bad side? Sure. But anything done in excess can be bad.

Agree, but the issue with intoxicants vs other addictions is they impact a person emotionally, cognitively and physically. I would not want/fired workers for coming to work with alcohol, pot(thc) in their systems because any type impairment potentially puts others at risk.
No problem if a person wants to buy pot, alcohol, etc... legally; sit home, smoke/drink to his heart's content as long as he does not operate a vehicle or do anything at all while under ANY degree of influence.
You might well counter with something like "That would mean a guy shouldn't drink a beer and operate a vehicle". I would say that I'd support any law that would automatically add UI penalties to a law violation if a person involved in a violation or accident shows any level intoxicant in his system. Essentially, my concerns are not for users as much as for those innocents who might be impacted.

 

[ram1955]

The question was how do rich people cause poverty. Your post answers a different question.

The answer: It doesn't.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Curious as to the "white working class...interest that was being supported by Democrats" was.

 

[JStaff2187]

Well....do they?

They do not.

 

[Bill Cosby]

"Trickle down" is one of the most damaging and nonsensical labels our country has ever seen.

Sort of like when Democrats write a bill that shits all over America and call it the "This Bill is Great for America Bill".

It doesn't even make sense. And yes, I'm fully aware of where the label came from.

 

[Mashburned]

So is gender segration cool now?

 

[WKBlu]

Comey is basically Chris Hayes or Jim Acosta at this point

 

[Levibooty]

Being rich doesn't necessarily cause poverty but rich people who support stealing insurance premiums by their thief cause poverty. That's one way.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Judge told Manafort he was a lying POS and only sad cause he got caught. gave him an additional 4 years on top of last weeks 4.

Heh.

 

[Levibooty]

 

[Levibooty]

 

[homeytheclown]

I agree labels are terrible it’s all emotion and then after the rush of signing it the people it is supposed to help are just the

lol

 

[truebluewildcat]

I dare a liberal and or socialist worth his/her/Ze/bip/bop salt to come out and promote any kind of social welfare that will not be made available to those who are not citizens and/or those who do not work...won't happen...

Also, of course, most welfare recipients are white...the country has more white people...

Again bud, "health care for all" among other welfare for all type things is what is being pitched...key word being ALL

"health care and welfare of other forms for working tax paying legal citizens" is not the slogan right now...even if that were the case, it would still be crazy expensive and I'm not sure I want government running healthcare for all when they're struggling to take care of a few million vets...

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

I just read your response where you quoted the same source as I and used the same numbers but omitted some numbers I used and added some I didn't. The 1% paid 37.3 yeah we both said that although you left out they also own 40% of America's wealth, and you didn't even attempt to address the off-shore tax havens. The fact remains unchanged by your opinion revenue is collected where there is money.

You didn't address proportional benefits that corporations get from being the main consumers of our infrastructure, you just brushed it off so that's not accurate. You don't think that NFL stadiums are a source of income for NFL teams? They certainly didn't lay out all or even sometimes any of the money to build them yet charge the taxpayers who did to use them.

Yeah you see no problem with the trickle up systems where profits are increased by denying workers higher pay, using up our nations resources on the cheap, and paying out larger dividends to the already wealthy. I'm a capitalist also, I own stock as well but I still can differentiate between well run companies with policies that are good for America and Americans such as Costco and the greedy lousy China crapfests such as Wally World. Can't you? Surely you can see that.

No offense, but you have a very poor understanding of economics and taxes.

First, you aren't taxed on wealth. You are taxed on income. The two are not the same thing. Your initial post about George H Bush suggested that high earning Americans aren't taxed at as high of a rate as the rest of us. That is false, and in fact, was the point of the article from the Tax Foundation that I linked. The fact is that the tax code in the USA is progressive and high earners pay a higher percentage of their AGI in federal taxes than lower earners.In fact, the title of the article is "America Already Has a Progressive Tax System". I think the title pretty much refutes your claim.

I did address the proportional benefit. Perhaps you didn't understand my comment, but i addressed it. Corporations exist because we demand products and services. They are responding to our demands for those products and services. They are using the infrastructure to provide the products and services we are asking for. Any use of the infrastructure to provide those products and services is because we demand those things, not because they are taking advantage of us. We are not being exploited, we are the reason they exist. Once again you are falling for scam that if we charged them more to use our infrastructure that we would pay less. That is a fallacy. They would have to pass those costs on through the price of their products, no different than taxes, and we would pay for them. Corporations are a creation of the buying public to serve their needs. Any criticism of them is really a criticism of us because they exist to serve us.

NFL owners are not getting Federal tax breaks to build stadiums. Maybe you are having trouble distinguishing between Federal and State taxes?

The "trickle up" theory you propose is more a figment of your imagination than common practice. You are painting with a very broad brush.

You still didn't explain how wealthy people cause poverty.

 

[mdlUK.1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[vhcat70]

Weed is no worse than alcohol. However, both are dangerous. As for weed, one major problem is that kids generally get their drug using lives started by using weed. They get their start sometimes in the middle school years. The difference between weed and alcohol is that a kid will have a hard time getting enough to drink to intoxicate him on a regular basis (in most cases) whereas going over to Billy's every day after school and taking a few draws off a joint will serve the purpose. All this happening at a time when, developmentally, a kid is learning to deal with real life issues. The weed "just makes them go away". They learn to "medicate" when they should be learning to deal with and face uncomfortable life situations.,

So weed teaches kids to medicate whereas alcohol doesn't. Sounds way worse to me.

 

[screwduke1]

TDS is real

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[vhcat70]

Former Chief of Staff to Michelle Obama and close friend of Rahm Emanuel's wife reached out to IL State's Attorney asking her to get police superintendent Eddie Johnson to turn Jussie Smollett case over FBI.

View embedded media

On what basis are his actions Federal crimes? Feds haven't charged him to my knowledge.

 

[vhcat70]

-Muslim shooter shoots up a gay nightclub.
Let’s not discuss the Islamic ideology. No. Let’s focus on the AR-15.

-Muslim rape gangs specifically targeting white women.
Crickets.

-Muslims commit terror attacks all over the world, killing Christians, killing Jews, killing other Muslims, blowing up busses, shooting up Germany, Brussels, Paris, blowing up kids at a concert in England, shooting up a Christmas work party in San Bernardino, etc.

Was the narrative from our DNC media ever about Islam? Ever?

You left out the Muslim couple in LA who slaughtered 22 co-workers a few years back.

 

[Bill Cosby]

View embedded media

Wait a minute, Dan. I think we're back to condemning hate attributed from one side to another, not all hate like last week.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[KingOfBBN]

You left out the Muslim couple in LA who slaughtered 22 co-workers a few years back.

That started out at the Christmas Party I mentioned but yeah, in 2015 and 2016, Muslim violence was insane. In a matter of months, you had Paris, San Bernardino, Pulse nightclub, Brussels, & tons of others.

Every single time, Dems and their media refused to acknowledge any connection to Islamic ideology, became apologists, and deflected to some other talking point. Who can ever forget the “Terror has no religion” slogan after Paris?

 

[qwesley]

The answer: It doesn't.

Income inequality gap did not even blink with the tax increase the rich in 2012. DC got paid, yo.