This is an interesting discussion, and if we can keep the ad hominem out, it could end up being pretty solid.
- You combined my argument with the previous poster’s argument. That’s fallacious. Please take my actual quotes based on what I provided.
- Can you that the definition of racism extends into the realm of religion or nationality if its operating component is not based on race or ethnic prejudice? That said, the definition for racism is still heavily contested, in fairness to you or anyone else wanting to make the connection to what Trump is doing. The 1978 article (that you quoted from) that determines what actually constitutes racism (from a UN perspective) mentions that discrimination must be based on racism or ethnicity. Without that basis, xenophobia is actually taking place. Also, I was writing in direct response to the implication that Trump was being racist towards Muslims and immigrants as pertaining specifically to From-the-Stands’ points. I never argued that Trump wasn’t being bigoted towards immigrants or Muslims, but rather offered that he was being xenophobic in both cases. If you want to make the case that Trump is on some level racist on the whole, have at it (there might some quotes available); but we were actually discussing whether his attacks on immigration and Islam were specifically examples of racism. The quote you took from Article 2 of the United Nations fully reads:
Racism includes racist ideologies, prejudiced attitudes, discriminatory behaviour, structural arrangements and institutionalized practices resulting in racial inequality as well as the fallacious notion that discriminatory relations between groups are morally and scientifically justifiable.
Article 2 reads:
Any theory which involves the claim that racial or ethnic groups are inherently superior or inferior, thus implying that some would be entitled to dominate or eliminate others, presumed to be inferior, or which bases value judgements on racial differentiation, has no scientific foundation and is contrary to the moral and ethical principles of humanity.
It looks like the “groups” mentioned does not extend to religions or nationalities and the UN (in article 3) seems to imply that the only way that extension exists if it is facilitated within an underlying racial component. In both cases, the prejudice is squarely defined in terms of race.
In regards to the specific discussion I was having with From-the-Stands, did you know that you’d have a better case of labeling
Trump as an advocate of genocide, based on the United Nations official definition, than you would of proving him to be a racist when it comes to his positions on immigration and Islam? Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide: (1948)
as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
As I’m sure you know, there’s all sorts of room within this statement for someone to accuse Trump of loosely advocating genocide (from this definition) as pertaining to immigrants and Muslims if one measures the weight of that last definition of genocide regarding the transfer of peoples, in particular, children.
On a personal note, I believe Trump to be a divisive, manipulative man; I don’t support him, nor do I agree with most of his opinions; but I also don’t agree with arguments where people try to combine accusations without a basis for doing so. Trump has shown signs of xenophobia and even hinted at advocating the last defined extension of genocide pertaining to the transfer of people, but are his positions on immigration and Muslims actually examples of racism?
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