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these NH poll numbers really make you wonder when Jeb is going to throw in the towel. Not only is he not on path to get any significant number of delegates, he might not even finish in the Top 5. If he can't beat Rubio, Kasich, or Christie in NH, he's DOA.

If/when that happens, his gigantic pile of cash will start dispersing among the rest of the field. The question is whether those dollars hold their noses and go to Trump, disperse randomly among the centrist candidates, or coalesce behind one of them.


All that being said, McCain shellacked GWB in NH in 2000.
 
So I could point out a bunch of facts and historical truths, but that's not what you're looking for, so let's just remain ignorant, amirite?
Here's some facts and historical truths...

This is from my college history professor, Dr. Tim Dillon. He posted it in the aftermath of the Charleston, SC. shooting when the confederate flag debate was going pretty strong:

"Certainty about anything especially causes of big historical events is messy and nigh near impossible. I'd prefer to talk about possible causes. So far as the Civil War goes, it seems to me there are a range of possibilities (a survey I won't test your patience with here). However there is a lynchpin, a cause that if it was absent there simply wouldn't have been a war, a cause that makes all other causes secondary. That cause is slavery. This is the consensus of all historians who specialize in the field -- at least for the last generation. State Rights was a means to an end, that end being the protection of slavery. Every secession convention made the defense and justification of human bondage the centerpiece of its argument for leaving the union. Among soldiers and politicians of the South the flag they followed (regardless of configuration) was the symbol of the defense of slavery at the very least."
 
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Race relations are a delicate issue.

The oppressed group has a hard time letting go of things that happened long ago (and others that happen institutionally to this day). The dominant group at large being so flippant about "That was 60 years ago, get over it" certainly doesn't help. The minority group will always feel slighted, and the dominant group won't care because they're dominant.

The rednecks and their rebel flags don't help things a bit. You can play the southern heritage card all you want, but flying those hillbilly battle flags make the perceived statement of "I only like white people who don't like sleeves"

Both the "liberal" and "conservative" media stoke the flames on their own. The lefty side reports heavily on the alleged "atrocities" whites commit against blacks, while the right-wingers play the "whitey's losing his grip on this country, let's get mad about it" card.

There's no real solution to the problem. As humans, we should try to come together and work it out, but I don't see that happening anytime soon in a country where Nation of Islam and the KKK are still things.
 
The Native Americans had and continue to have it worse than African Americans did in this country and nearly everyone ignores it. As far as I'm concerned, what the American government did to the Native Americans is on par with what the Third Reich did to the Jews and other types of people they deemed unsavory (gypsies, gays, etc.)
 
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Do you watch Michael Moore films? Quintin Tarentino films? The same thing can be said of you then.
I'm not a big doc guy so no I don't watch Moore films. I'm not a Tarantino fan boy by any means, but he is a true auteur that can write some witty dialogue. Pulp Fiction is probably his only film that would crack my top 100. I don't think anyone can deny his contribution to cinema. He probably borrows more than any director in the history of cinema, but don't we all? Bay is garbage. I mean absolute garbage. Popcorn flicks have a place, Spielberg is great with them, but Bay can't even make a decent one of those.
 
So I could point out a bunch of facts and historical truths, but that's not what you're looking for, so let's just remain ignorant, amirite?
I'm very well versed, my undergrad thesis was on Jefferson Davis. You are completely wrong. You can point to certain acts, but the cotton trade with England and taxation, but those were secondary. Slave ownership was main reason. You have no scholarship to back your claim. We do this every 6 months. You get punted away and shown your "facts" are bogus, and you come back every time doing the same stuff...

Also, thought Chris Rock made a good comment about some in this thread,

"“We treat racism in this country like it’s a style that America went through,” Rock said. “Like flared legs and lava lamps – ‘Oh, that crazy thing we did.’ We were hanging black people. We treat it like a fad instead of a disease that eradicates millions of people."

Sums it up well.
 
I get so sick of having to kiss the black communities ass over everything myself. I'm also sick of the media on both side fanning the flames.

Fact is any black person who can read and wake up with an alarm clock has no excuse for not making a good living.

At some point I'd think the blacks and gays would run out of shit to bitch about.
 
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I get so sick of having to kiss the black communities ass over everything myself. I'm also sick of the media on both side fanning the flames.

Fact is any black person who can read and wake up with an alarm clock has no excuse for not making a good living.

At some point I'd think the blacks and gays would run out of shit to bitch about.

Yea, lot of other factors you have not considered. Pretty much what it boils down to. You think there is an even playing field. That all people are born at this 0 mark, and the Horitio Algers of the world pull themselves up by their own merit.

What a naive little man you are.
 
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Yea, lot of other factors you have not considered. Pretty much what it boils down to. You think there is an even playing field. That all people are born at this 0 mark, and the Horitio Algers of the world pull themselves up by their own merit.

What a naive little man you are.
No, that's you making assumptions about me. I can recognize challenges and the playing field.
I don't need a pseudo intellect, like yourself, to tell me how to think. I'll stick by my claim.

Shut up, learn to read, apply at any large company and wake up on time for work. It isn't difficult. Give the same tools to the Hispanic community, and we will, and they will thrive. Give it 20 years and there will be a lot of free educated Hispanics keeping my grandkids getting work.
 
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Why? If the movie tells the true story, would you want to know the truth or will that hurt Hillary and the left too much.
And what if it tells a false narrative? Would it be ok to dismiss this movie in that case?

The premise that the security contractors were ordered to "stand down" has been refuted by everyone who is not a wing-nut.

"No stand down order or military missteps in Benghazi attack, GOP-controlled intel panel finds"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/2...ssteps-in-benghazi-attack-gop-controlled.html
 
And what if it tells a false narrative? Would it be ok to dismiss this movie in that case?

The premise that the security contractors were ordered to "stand down" has been refuted by everyone who is not a wing-nut.

"No stand down order or military missteps in Benghazi attack, GOP-controlled intel panel finds"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/2...ssteps-in-benghazi-attack-gop-controlled.html
Those same guys who were there are on Megan Kelly at this moment saying that the order to stand down was given. These are the ones who are portrayed in the film and are the ones who were told to stand down. I would believe them before politicians.
 
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[laughing]

Oh the ironing [sic]

Thank you through for the countless times in the past that you've "kissed the black communities ass".

More along the lines of pretending to be concerned over their most recent struggle or event that's put them in an uproar.

Kiss ass is pretty strong and probably incorrect.
 
No, that's you making assumptions about me. I can recognize challenges and the playing field.
I don't need a pseudo intellect, like yourself, to tell me how to think. I'll stick by my claim.

Shut up, learn to read, apply at any large company and wake up on time for work. It isn't difficult. Give the same tools to the Hispanic community, and we will, and they will thrive. Give it 20 years and there will be a lot of free educated Hispanics keeping my grandkids getting work.
I'm no pseudo. It's obvious what you laid out is incomplete. You don't even consider the factors in institutionalized racism, nor can your mind comprehend it. Your ignorance is willful and your world view is a shell of reality.

You are naive.
 
UsNews:

It’s probably time to dust off some of the profound, disturbing statistics on institutional racism in America that have been painstakingly chronicled by groups like the Sentencing Project, the ACLU, American Psychological Association, the Education Department’s Civil Rights office and many others.

Because, apparently, we still don’t get it.

In the wake of Baltimore, Ferguson, New York City and elsewhere, most of us are at least somewhat aware of the nature of police violence against the black community in urban settings.

So maybe we should just start with institutional racism in schools, and work our way forward from there.

Let’s start with pre-school. Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children, NPR reported. Black children make up 18 percent of the pre-school population, but represent almost half of all out-of-school suspensions.

Once you get to K-12, black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children. Black students make up almost 40 percent of all school expulsions, and more than two thirds of students referred to police from schools are either black or Hispanic, says the Department of Education.

Even disabled black children suffer from institutional racism. About a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion.

When juveniles hit the court system, it discriminates against blacks as well. Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts.

In the workplace, black college graduates are twice as likely as whites to struggle to find jobs - the jobless rate for blacks has been double that of whites for decades. A study even found that people with “black-sounding names” had to send out 50 percent more job applications than people with “white-sounding names” just to get a call back.

And it gets worse the higher up the pay scale you go. For every $10,000 increase in pay, blacks’ percentages of holding that job falls by 7 percent compared to whites.

The disparities exist in our neighborhoods and communities. About 73 percent of whites own homes, compared to just 43 percent of blacks. The gap between median household income for whites (about $91,000) compared to blacks (about $7,000) is staggering, and that gap has tripled in just the past 25 years. The median net worth of white families is about $265,000, while it was just $28,500 for blacks.

A black man is three times more likely to be searched at a traffic stop, and six times more likely to go jail than a white person. Blacks make up nearly 40 percent of arrests for violent crimes.

Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found.

The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites.

But the disparities become appalling in court.

If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white.

Juries are stacked against you if you’re black. Racial bias in jury selection is ridiculous – qualified black jurors are illegally turned away as much as 80 percent of the time in the jury selection process.

The result? About a quarter of juries in death penalty cases have no black jurors, and more than two-thirds have two or less. When a black person is accused of killing a white person – and the jury consists of five or more white males – the odds go way up for a death penalty verdict. Defense lawyers, and prosecutors, know that having just a single black man on the jury substantially changes the odds.

Black people stay in prison longer than white people – up to 20 percent longer than white people serving time for essentially similar crimes. They get much harsher sentences – black people are 38 percent more likely to be sentenced to death than white people for the same crimes.

And the color of the skin of the victims matters greatly in the punishment for capital crimes. Whites and blacks represent about half of murder victims from year to year, but 77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person.

I could cite hundreds of other statistics, much like these. And we haven’t even touched on efforts to suppress voting, or unbalanced responses to riots, or the bizarre inequities in the never-ending war on drugs.

What they all point to quite clearly is that institutional racism exists in nearly ever corner of American society today, and is what is driving the tension we are seeing on the streets in urban cities. The root causes are what we must deal with, not the symptoms.

So the next time you see someone questioning whether institutional racism exists in America, there’s an obvious answer to the question. We may not like it, but pretending that it doesn’t exist isn’t right, either.
 
Fact is any black person who can read and wake up with an alarm clock has no excuse for not making a good living.
With respect, because I understand where you're coming from, you're right on an individual level, that one person can rise above their station and their upbringing and escape the cycle of poverty. But we're thinking about communities and nations. We're thinking on a macro-level. Communities and large groups don't act as one. Now, if you woke up tomorrow in a shotgun home, with no job, and little income, it would be apparent to you to go buy an alarm clock, and a suit, and to go pursue a job. But why would that be apparent to you? Because it's obvious? Why is it obvious to you though? It has everything to do with your conditioning. Where you came from. What you've been taught is possible, what you've been taught is valuable, etc. The influence of these outside factors is invisible, but it is essential to who you are. And I'm not just talking about your parents. I'm talking about your extended family, your community, the people on television and in movies you saw that looked like you, the people you read about or didn't read about in history books who look like you. These things have had a tremendous, subconscious impact on who you are, and on what you think is apparent and obvious as behavior.

When we're talking about the impact of slavery, when we're talking about racism, and a system of oppression, we're not trying to throw blame around, we're not trying to take personal accountability off the table, we're talking about these intangible, invisible factors that affect the way we think and act. It's not about blame. It's about understanding that the simple things you and I have learned about being a successful adult that we take for granted, are not universal. It's about understanding that, and about holding yourself, whether white, black, whatever, to a high standard, but seeking a high level of patience and understanding when it comes to others. Because we don't know another person's perspective unless we ask and listen.

Why? Because it's logical. Blacks are incarcerated at a much larger rate, in poverty at a much higher rate, unemployed at a much higher rate, and are killed at a much higher rate. So what's more logical? That black people JUST CAN'T get their act together? That they as a people just love blaming others and living in violent poverty? That as a whole this group of people with different colored skin as a group are worse than this other group of people with another color of skin? Or is it more logical to recognize that you have lived a unique life, and your unique life has had one very specific perspective, that might not give you insight into all the lives that are out there being lived.

Just food for thought. I grew up conservative and was conservative for the majority of my life. Hope this helps explain where some liberals/progressives come from in a way that doesn't instantly turn you off.
 
LEK's last post above mine actually serves as a nice compendium. May not change any minds, but may help us understand each other a bit better while we yell at each other, lol.
 
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Why? If the movie tells the true story, would you want to know the truth or will that hurt Hillary and the left too much.
Dude. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Michael bay sucks. He is garbage. He is part of the machine that keeps churning out terrible movies. Studios give him millions of dollars to make mindless clichéd movies while talented directors struggle to get their films off the page due to lack of funds. Bay has never in his career made anything of note.
 
Those same guys who were there are on Megan Kelly at this moment saying that the order to stand down was given. These are the ones who are portrayed in the film and are the ones who were told to stand down. I would believe them before politicians.
Trey Gowdy said there are witnesses who said there was a "stand down order" and there are witnesses who said there was not one. It's hogwash for anyone to take this movie as proof of anything.
 
And what if it tells a false narrative? Would it be ok to dismiss this movie in that case?

The premise that the security contractors were ordered to "stand down" has been refuted by everyone who is not a wing-nut.

"No stand down order or military missteps in Benghazi attack, GOP-controlled intel panel finds"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/2...ssteps-in-benghazi-attack-gop-controlled.html

No matter whats in the movie, itll be alot closer to the truth than the garbage Obama and Hillary fed us all in the days/weeks after.

Those same guys who were there are on Megan Kelly at this moment saying that the order to stand down was given. These are the ones who are portrayed in the film and are the ones who were told to stand down. I would believe them before politicians.

Absolutely. I dont even see how this is a question.
 
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LEK's last post above mine actually serves as a nice compendium. May not change any minds, but may help us understand each other a bit better while we yell at each other, lol.
It doesn't change my mind. LEK is the fool with the closed mind. He assumes he knows the depths of what I understand and what parameters I have created my stance from. I'm not a dumb simpleton that can't distinguish challenges and differences presented to the black community. He also doesn't know what circumstances I've overcome either to get where I currently stand.

Go read some of his tirades in the D-League. He takes himself very seriously and I guess we should all be thankful to have his guiding hand to assist us through life.

Now this is the part where LEK highlights this post. Shows us all how well he can use the English language and then does a follow up copy/paste post from some irrelevant (to me) bullshit he dug up in a Google search.
 
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It doesn't change my mind. LEK is the fool with the closed mind. He assumes he knows the depths of what I understand and what parameters I have created my stance from. I'm not a dumb simpleton that can't distinguish challenges and differences presented to the black community. He also doesn't know what circumstances I've overcome either to get where I currently stand.

Go read some of his tirades in the D-League. He takes himself very seriously and I guess we should all be thankful to have his guiding hand to assist us through life.

Now this is the part where LEK highlights this post. Shows us all how well he can use the English language and then does a follow up copy/paste post from some irrelevant (to me) bullshit he dug up in a Google search.
Uhm, no dumbass. You made a point that there is an equal playing field. There isn't. It took me 5 seconds to refute your claims.

And you're welcome for me helping you, because it's obvious you have little clue about reality.

Also, of course facts and proven studies don't change your mind. You're a moron. Morons don't like facts.
 
Uhm, no dumbass. You made a point that there is an equal playing field. There isn't. It took me 5 seconds to refute your claims.

And you're welcome for me helping you, because it's obvious you have little clue about reality.

Also, of course facts and proven studies don't change your mind. You're a moron. Morons don't like facts.
I never said anything about an equal playing field to begin this. I just said if they can learn to read and wake up by an alarm clock they could make a good living. By that standard it's uneven, and slanted in their favor. They are profiled and stereotyped, and many times with reason. It's unfortunate, and I hate that as much as you, but it's real. The fact still remains that if they can read, and wake up and pass a drug test then equal opportunity hiring guidelines will take care of them. The math is in their favor. Get one of the handout educations, learn to mix about 15 big words into conversation and you're looking at a collared shirt life with half the effort that I had to give and a nice salary.

You didn't refute anything as far as I'm concerned. What you don't get is that I know what you know, and can process information and make judgement on my own.
 
I never said anything about an equal playing field to begin this. I just said if they can learn to read and wake up by an alarm clock they could make a good living. By that standard it's uneven, and slanted in their favor. They are profiled and stereotyped, and many times with reason. It's unfortunate, and I hate that as much as you, but it's real. The fact still remains that if they can read, and wake up and pass a drug test then equal opportunity hiring guidelines will take care of them. The math is in their favor. Get one of the handout educations, learn to mix about 15 big words into conversation and you're looking at a collared shirt life with half the effort that I had to give and a nice salary.

You didn't refute anything as far as I'm concerned. What you don't get is that I know what you know, and can process information and make judgement on my own.
Uhm, when you say they just need to get up, you're implying A. Equal playing field, which facts show it isn't.

B.Since there isn't equality, and since all they have to do is get up, then they didn't get up. That means it's the blacks, who can kiss your ass, fault according to your logic.

Look, you don't have same information. Your poor attempt at thin veiled racism is pathetic. You're basically calling blacks lazy.

No, the whole point of what me and Bristol posted was the math wasn't in their favor. That's the point you miss. They do go out and get education, but you didn't read what happens. You're an idiot, so of course you ignore the facts that they are 50% more likely to have a degree and be jobless or less likely to be called back for having a black sounding name.

To be honest, I've had you on ignore, because you post the dumbest shit. The article I linked refuted your last post, 3 posts ago, with studies and facts, yet you ignored it. That's why.
 
KYBOY is correct.
Look at the people on welfare, look who it is and listen to the reason.
For example, I'm in the housing rental business. Many of my friends are, as well. I hate to sound racist, but if you rent to a black family you can guarantee 100% that at some point, they will have problems paying rent or have issues with the neighbors, something ALWAYS happens. If you rent to a Hispanic family, they never complain, rent is 3 days early, if something is broken..they fix it. What this boils down to is what the black man is taught from a young age. It unmotivated them to succeed or work for what they have. They want the easy way out because they still feel cheated. And that all comes down to what they're taught, the history of it. As I said before--- Lincoln did the right thing, but he knew they'd never forgive us and tried to ship them back.
 
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The Native Americans had and continue to have it worse than African Americans did in this country and nearly everyone ignores it. As far as I'm concerned, what the American government did to the Native Americans is on par with what the Third Reich did to the Jews and other types of people they deemed unsavory (gypsies, gays, etc.)
But you're not going to give up a square inch of your land.
 
I agree, but, I read something recently about current perceived race relations in the US. Poll in 2008 found that 66% of Americans felt racial relations were "good." In 2015, same poll found 37%. A low not seen in the US since Rodney King. Makes you wonder what happened in the past 8 years.

Social media and smart phones happened. Hate is just so much more easily accessible now.
 
KYBOY is correct.
Look at the people on welfare, look who it is and listen to the reason.
For example, I'm in the housing rental business. Many of my friends are, as well. I hate to sound racist, but if you rent to a black family you can guarantee 100% that at some point, they will have problems paying rent or have issues with the neighbors, something ALWAYS happens. If you rent to a Hispanic family, they never complain, rent is 3 days early, if something is broken..they fix it. What this boils down to is what the black man is taught from a young age. It unmotivated them to succeed or work for what they have. They want the easy way out because they still feel cheated. And that all comes down to what they're taught, the history of it. As I said before--- Lincoln did the right thing, but he knew they'd never forgive us and tried to ship them back.
Seriously, red Bristol and the linked article. It refutes all of this. All of it.

It's like you're screaming the sky is green, when it's blue.
 
the only polling that matters is the tufts u study that found that the majority of white people in this country feel that they are more frequently the victims of racism than blacks

so utterly delusional
 
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If you were a slave in the Caribbean, you might as well have been in a death camp. If you were a slave in the South, your life likely sucked big time and you died pretty young. I'd argue it wasn't that much better than what the Jews faced in WWII. And that's not taking anything away from the Jews. But don't tell block people their ancestors didn't have it bad.
 
If you were a slave in the Caribbean, you might as well have been in a death camp. If you were a slave in the South, your life likely sucked big time and you died pretty young. I'd argue it wasn't that much worse than what the Jews faced in WWII. And that's not taking anything away from the Jews. But don't tell block people their ancestors didn't have it bad.
Ever read Jim Goad's Redneck Manifesto?
 
slavery is not a new phenomenon. it has existed since the beginning of human kind. to the victor goes the spoils type mentality. doesn't mean it was right. and every race, color has been enslaved at one point in time by another form of government, country, populous of people. it is a shitty thing that has happened. and was equally as bad that when we did it as a country. but we fought a bloody damn war to end it. tons of white people lost their lives, lost nearly everything themselves to end it. it wasn't just whites in the south fighting. white people have been on the right side of this thing trying to make it right for a long time now as well. i am not saying we should minimize it or ignore it by any means. it is a part of our history. but at some point, you have to move forward to be successful as a people, as a country. remembering the atrocities that happened, but celebrate the good things in life and quit living a life blaming others for one's problems.
 
nobody fought a war to end slavery

the south seceded to keep it, lincoln fought to preserve the union

thanks for the heads-up on it being wrong though. good look
 
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