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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
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I see Stan the cad/JohnKba/the w-2 racist canuck is still here laughing emoji, but not allowed to post. Sad!

I heard the Canuck passed. Rumor has it he went out exactly the way he wanted to go, surrounded by strangers (no one that knew him would want to be there)...he was in an emergency room due to something alcohol related of course.

With doctors and nurses trying to save him, his final act was to pull out his W-2 and show them all. Muttering something like 'I bet I make more money than you Doc'.
 
I believe most of the states that did that during the pandemic are not this time. I'll have to research to find out exactly which. Regardless though I'm not going down an election denial rabbit hole with you on this as I support increasing voting opportunity, not decreasing it.
Voting opportunity is righteous. So is an acceptable level of validity. Meaning, clearing voter rolls, a legitimate way to ascertain the validity of a ballot. Deadlines to get the ballots there in a timely manner, so that we're not waiting until 7:00 am to find out election results. In essence, some basic rules, that would give people faith in the process. The ability to verify someones identity, make sure the ballot wasn't cast by some dead person's family member, being able to write the date on the ballot, and get it there in a timely manner, is not too much to ask, and frankly, if it is, do we really want them voting in the first place? Why not let the family pet cast a ballot or two?
 
I believe most of the states that did that during the pandemic are not this time. I'll have to research to find out exactly which. Regardless though I'm not going down an election denial rabbit hole with you on this as I support increasing voting opportunity, not decreasing it.

With you there, but with accountability and real security.

If the dems out cheated the Pubs, that's on them.. do better, lol. Both are cheating as much as they can. In everything. Power corrupts. Etc.

Those in power want to keep it. Amazingly, our Founding Fathers wrote a document that has kept some basic human nature in line for 250+ years.

And regardless of your delusions of Jan 6, which was garbage all the way around, both sides; the party in power is currently doing the most anti American anti freedom shit that has EVER been seen in this country.
 
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I heard the Canuck passed. Rumor has it he went out exactly the way he wanted to go, surrounded by strangers (no one that knew him would want to be there)...he was in an emergency room due to something alcohol related of course.

With doctors and nurses trying to save him, his final act was to pull out his W-2 and show them all. Muttering something like 'I bet I make more money than you Doc'.

I heard he also said something to the black doctor that wasn't cool.
 
IOW, election denials aside, this fact remains: millions of Americans, going all the way back to 2016 feel like our Presidential elections are tainted, whether they're right or wrong, that is unacceptable, and measures need to be taken to address that. It's not healthy for the country.
 
With you there, but with accountability and real security.

If the dems out cheated the Pubs, that's on them.. do better, lol. Both are cheating as much as they can. In everything. Power corrupts. Etc.

Those in power want to keep it. Amazingly, our Founding Fathers wrote a document that has kept some basic human nature in line for 250+ years.

And regardless of your delusions of Jan 6, which was garbage all the way around, both sides; the party in power is currently doing the most anti American anti freedom shit that has EVER been seen in this country.

Not that Charles Keating and Simon Weis wouldn't have done differently circa early 90's had those cocks had real power.
 
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Order some airstrikes on US civilians and see how quickly you can **** around and find out, Village idiot of all village idiots.

Sambo, I truly apologize, best you can do is second.
 
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Our president basically threatening the American people if they uprise against him? With f-15's?

Hate to break it to his idiotic ass, but the Vietcong and the Taliban didn't have f-15's either.

Nor more than half of the invading forces and law enforcement on the invaded side.

Has he ever visited eastern Kentucky?

Does he comprehend war at all?

Who drives the semis that feed this country, moron, and if they stopped, mass starvation would happen in 2 maybe 3 weeks. How long to deploy people to take over and do it?

Even if they just went on a real strike. In one week, it would absolutely cripple this country, or really, any other civilized one.

Eisenhower, he is not.
 
Blech...

IF I had three Christmas wishes, one would be that Santa would bring you a sense of humor. You're just WAY too serious. You're tighter than Dick's Hat Band, which is a shame, because, with your smarts, you'd probably be good at it.
Fair enough lol. I obviously did not read that in the spirit in which it was intended or I would have chuckled and moved on lol.
 
Agree, and as far as that, why aren't you on here daily pushing RFK, JR. ?

I really like him and what he says about precisely that, corporate capture, etc. .. , but I totally distrust something there.
Because he can't win in our first-past-the-post system. Out of those 3 candidates he most aligns with me. Definitely not on everything, but that's true of all candidates. It's a foregone conclusion that he can't win though. If we had Ranked Choice Voting I'd put him first to indicate that preference and then my vote would be transferred to a more electable candidate when he got eliminated. But we're stuck with the system we've got and so a vote for any 3rd party is just a vote for whichever of the two main party candidates benefit from lower turnout, in this case Trump.
 
If that fool thinks the majority of Americans would support him there, he is beyond nuts.

If a civil war 2 happens, it ain't going to be blue vs gray on a battlefield. It would be an absolute Bloodbath, on civilians. He would have to nuke the country to stay in power lol. Shit, hunter might decide to take him out. Lol.

Has anyone, ever, attacked the US government with an assault rifle? I don't mean spraying bullets at an fbi office like some fool did recently.


Like where; how and who put that on his godamm Ron burgundy teleprompter? Or is he just so demented and basically senile as to just scream nonsense (that may be his true beliefs) into the microphone?

And yes, if I'm not posting tomorrow at a reasonable hour, I did not, and have no intention of committing suicide, although that's seems more hillary style.

I mean, one guy is running on his prior 4 years, saying he will try and make America great again, and the other is saying if you oppose him, he.might just unleash fighter jets on your town.


F-15's don't have much discretion to hit the one guy out of a 10000 that is a true radical trying to overthrow the bloody government.
 
Because he can't win in our first-past-the-post system. Out of those 3 candidates he most aligns with me. Definitely not on everything, but that's true of all candidates. It's a foregone conclusion that he can't win though. If we had Ranked Choice Voting I'd put him first to indicate that preference and then my vote would be transferred to a more electable candidate when he got eliminated. But we're stuck with the system we've got and so a vote for any 3rd party is just a vote for whichever of the two main party candidates benefit from lower turnout, in this case Trump.
Perot got 19%, I do believe. If they (media and dems) allow him to debate those two, he might well pull ahead of both on that stage in 2 hours.

Again, I like what he says, but i don't really trust him, like any politician.

Strangely, Trump, I do trust in that aspect, in that he basically has held the same views on trade, foreign policy for 40+ years (see 80's interviews) and he did try in his 4 years to right the ship, if you will.
 
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Red states grow food, have fresh water, and know how to hunt and eat. The Northeast/NE/California?

Not so much...

Cali used to grow almost 1/2 our food until Obama and Newsome burnt that industry to the ground to pay back foreign interests. Criminal really
 
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So you were pro-Bundy?
Ok so Cliven Bundy and his gang are a special brand of stupid with a special place in my heart. When Finicum got his I just shook my head because that was their goal, to get themselves Ruby Ridged and become martyrs. They didn't accomplish it originally with the livestock standoff so they invented it with the Oregon Wildlife Refuge.

I understand their complaints. People in that area(not them) have had many hardships foisted on them specifically by the federal government, in addition to the general overregulation. From the fact that most of them in that particular part of rural Nevada are only there because they were driven out by persecution as Mormons, which the federal government and Constitution did not protect them on, to that being one of the areas affected by radiation from our own nuclear testing.

But ultimately no, Cliven Bundy is a sovereign citizen crazy who just doesn't want to pay grazing fees. I don't like tons of the stupid crap I have to do either in our American capitalist world but them's the breaks. Ultimately I believe in advocation, peaceful protest. Democratic change. Not rioting, burning babies in medieval raids, hacking government infrastructure, or whatever armed dick-measuring standoff Cliven Bundy enjoys. (The astute among you will recognize I just denigrated Hamas there, with no accompanying WHAT ABOUT Israel. Everyone knows Hamas is bad. Just many don't know about Israel.)
 
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Perot got 19%, I do believe. If they (media and dems) allow him to debate those two, he might well pull ahead of both on that stage in 2 hours.

Again, I like what he says, but i don't really trust him, like any politician.

Strangely, Trump, I do trust in that aspect, in that he basically has held the same views on trade, foreign policy for 40+ years (see 80's interviews) and he did try in his 4 years to right the ship, if you will.
He won't for the sheer reason that people think he won't. +50% is a huge threshold and with Trump having a lock on his around 35-40% basically every Biden voter would have to defect, which is never happening as most people just don't follow things that closely and plenty just go party line.

Yeah the trust issue is a tricky one for me. I don't like any of them. I don't trust any of them. So I just try to go by what they say. I don't know if Robert Kennedy's brain worm would actually be a better executive than Biden or Trump. I'm just looking for someone who parrots my positions. The politicians are our representatives in our representative democracy. They're supposed to represent their constituents' positions. Competency is fantastic, but ultimately not the top priority. I understand that's probably a minority view as most people aren't ideologically driven and just want to see things go well generally.
 
Ok so Cliven Bundy and his gang are a special brand of stupid with a special place in my heart. When Finicum got his I just shook my head because that was their goal, to get themselves Ruby Ridged and become martyrs. They didn't accomplish it originally with the livestock standoff so they invented it with the Oregon Wildlife Refuge.

I understand their complaints. People in that area(not them) have had many hardships foisted on them specifically by the federal government, in addition to the general overregulation. From the fact that most of them in that particular part of rural Nevada are only there because they were driven out by persecution as Mormons, which the federal government and Constitution did not protect them on, to that being one of the areas affected by radiation from our own nuclear testing.

But ultimately no, Cliven Bundy is a sovereign citizen crazy who just doesn't want to pay grazing fees. I don't like tons of the stupid crap I have to do either in our American capitalist world but them's the breaks. Ultimately I believe in advocation, peaceful protest. Democratic change. Not rioting, burning babies in medieval raids, hacking government infrastructure, or whatever armed dick-measuring standoff Cliven Bundy enjoys. (The astute among you will recognize I just denigrated Hamas there, with no accompanying WHAT ABOUT Israel. Everyone knows Hamas is bad. Just many don't know about Israel.)

Damn it, Dion, did someone dose you earlier?
You're actually.making some.sense tonight.



Ah, wait, you're like me, dosing you ain't gonna do a damn thing. You will get it in a decade or so, I suppose. Until then, quit parroting nonsense Marxist shit. It doesn't work, never has, never will.

It's idealistic bullshit that flies in the face of nature and the human spirit in general.

There is a reason it's ever only ended with millions of deaths where it has been implemented. Usually starvation, famine, and such. Not because it wasn't true communism. It's not necessarily a war between neighboring countries, but the internal results that tell the tale,

That's the difference.
 
Voting opportunity is righteous. So is an acceptable level of validity. Meaning, clearing voter rolls, a legitimate way to ascertain the validity of a ballot. Deadlines to get the ballots there in a timely manner, so that we're not waiting until 7:00 am to find out election results. In essence, some basic rules, that would give people faith in the process. The ability to verify someones identity, make sure the ballot wasn't cast by some dead person's family member, being able to write the date on the ballot, and get it there in a timely manner, is not too much to ask, and frankly, if it is, do we really want them voting in the first place? Why not let the family pet cast a ballot or two?
I find this to be a common opinion on the right, the whole 'if you can't be bothered to do it right, do we really want your ****ing vote' thing. Or take off work, or make it to the polls, or whatever. And I just fundamentally disagree. So much so that I favor Australia's model where voting is mandatory(small fine tax if you don't, hot dogs if you do!). I think democracy needs the voices of the weakest, the most downtrodden, the most marginalized, the least capable. Because they're humans too and that's all they have. If you're competent and successful you have power already. Power over your own life and immediate circumstances. As so many will come here with their 'Whoever's president don't affect me none, my bank account line go up!' and state. But society, America, is all of us. From the bottom to the top. Not just those who are already have agency.
 
He won't for the sheer reason that people think he won't. +50% is a huge threshold and with Trump having a lock on his around 35-40% basically every Biden voter would have to defect, which is never happening as most people just don't follow things that closely and plenty just go party line.

Yeah the trust issue is a tricky one for me. I don't like any of them. I don't trust any of them. So I just try to go by what they say. I don't know if Robert Kennedy's brain worm would actually be a better executive than Biden or Trump. I'm just looking for someone who parrots my positions. The politicians are our representatives in our representative democracy. They're supposed to represent their constituents' positions. Competency is fantastic, but ultimately not the top priority. I understand that's probably a minority view as most people aren't ideologically driven and just want to see things go well generally.

Yes. That's why we have AOC and MTG.

Unfortunately. But the district votes for their voice. Even if that particular district is full of idiots.

'Baby girl, don't even try me'... utterly shameful and embarrassing.

People need to wake up and stop being mindless idiots. Both sides.

As my wise elder brother explained to me about putting your towel on the lounger at 3 am to combat the asshole that goes out at 6 am to save it all day, sometimes fighting fire with fire becomes even worse. Just toss his towel off at Noon and take the spot. 😉

And screw that Karen that thinks that way, that they are special and can just hold the spot, to the inconvenience of everyone else. 🙄
 
I find this to be a common opinion on the right, the whole 'if you can't be bothered to do it right, do we really want your ****ing vote' thing. Or take off work, or make it to the polls, or whatever. And I just fundamentally disagree. So much so that I favor Australia's model where voting is mandatory(small fine tax if you don't, hot dogs if you do!). I think democracy needs the voices of the weakest, the most downtrodden, the most marginalized, the least capable. Because they're humans too and that's all they have. If you're competent and successful you have power already. Power over your own life and immediate circumstances. As so many will come here with their 'Whoever's president don't affect me none, my bank account line go up!' and state. But society, America, is all of us. From the bottom to the top. Not just those who are already have agency.

A) we're not a 'democracy, that leads to tyranny of the .1 over the 49.8.

To

V) An engaged citizenry is important, but if fools are involved, and they are, they inevitably will vote for safety over liberty every time. ( See, eg, sambowieshin.)
 
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Damn it, Dion, did someone dose you earlier?
You're actually.making some.sense tonight.



Ah, wait, you're like me, dosing you ain't gonna do a damn thing. You will get it in a decade or so, I suppose. Until then, quit parroting nonsense Marxist shit. It doesn't work, never has, never will.

It's idealistic bullshit that flies in the face of nature and the human spirit in general.

There is a reason it's ever only ended with millions of deaths where it has been implemented. Usually starvation, famine, and such. Not because it wasn't true communism. It's not necessarily a war between neighboring countries, but the internal results that tell the tale,

That's the difference.
We're really getting into the weeds here on theory, which the social media shortform format doesn't really allow for, but ultimately when you're looking at most Marxist-Leninist theory from Lenin forward you're into the realm of implementation. I'm not really on that train in the same way, as Marx's observations are fundamentally predicated on technological determinism. Very simply, any current economic state a society finds itself in is dictated by the level of technological development at the time. Attempts at artificially inducing theorized economic states before they develop naturally(i.e. revolution) are therefore inherently flawed. They could be steps on that path of awareness and class consciousness, but they'll only be successful when the conditions are present. Stalin trying to micromanage the entire economy with early 20th century tech or Mao killing all the sparrows because he's an idiot are not going to bring us Star Trek post-scarcity communism immediately. But we may eventually get there.
 
I find this to be a common opinion on the right, the whole 'if you can't be bothered to do it right, do we really want your ****ing vote' thing. Or take off work, or make it to the polls, or whatever. And I just fundamentally disagree. So much so that I favor Australia's model where voting is mandatory(small fine tax if you don't, hot dogs if you do!). I think democracy needs the voices of the weakest, the most downtrodden, the most marginalized, the least capable. Because they're humans too and that's all they have. If you're competent and successful you have power already. Power over your own life and immediate circumstances. As so many will come here with their 'Whoever's president don't affect me none, my bank account line go up!' and state. But society, America, is all of us. From the bottom to the top. Not just those who are already have agency.

So how long would you suggest voting be open? Year round? That's comical. 3 days? A week? A month? How long does it take the downtrodden loser with no job, no skill, no intellect to be able to find his way to the poll, so he can vote for endless welfare for his class amd thus never have to get off his ass and be productive at anything other that improving his video game skills?
 
IOW, election denials aside, this fact remains: millions of Americans, going all the way back to 2016 feel like our Presidential elections are tainted, whether they're right or wrong, that is unacceptable, and measures need to be taken to address that. It's not healthy for the country.
What about 2000? SCOTUS just arbitrarily stopped the recount when Gore was headed to pulling ahead because of the Brooks Brothers Riot. There were protests all over the country. People are still pissed. I am. Aren't you? So I really don't have any sympathy for some rednecks swallowing Trump's snake oil. They are not special and do not deserve to be catered to.
 
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We're really getting into the weeds here on theory, which the social media shortform format doesn't really allow for, but ultimately when you're looking at most Marxist-Leninist theory from Lenin forward you're into the realm of implementation. I'm not really on that train in the same way, as Marx's observations are fundamentally predicated on technological determinism. Very simply, any current economic state a society finds itself in is dictated by the level of technological development at the time. Attempts at artificially inducing theorized economic states before they develop naturally(i.e. revolution) are therefore inherently flawed. They could be steps on that path of awareness and class consciousness, but they'll only be successful when the conditions are present. Stalin trying to micromanage the entire economy with early 20th century tech or Mao killing all the sparrows because he's an idiot are not going to bring us Star Trek post-scarcity communism immediately. But we may eventually get there.

Maybe when we all have Optimus robots, and so forth, but until then,- these useless asses need to get a jobby-job.
 
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So how long would you suggest voting be open? Year round? That's comical. 3 days? A week? A month? How long does it take the downtrodden loser with no job, no skill, no intellect to be able to find his way to the poll, so he can vote for endless welfare for his class amd thus never have to get off his ass and be productive at anything other that improving his video game skills?
Why not? What's the problem?
 
Maybe when we all have Optimus robots, and so forth, but until then,- these useless asses need to get a jobby-job.
I understand that position, but if you listen to what's coming out of CA at the moment multiple people are predicting Artificial General Intelligence by 2027. Now that timescale is probably overambitious for any number of reasons, but the reality is drop-in remote workers and eventually full labor automation are coming. Not in sci-fi but in our lifetimes. So we need to be looking forward, which is something democracies aren't necessarily the best at.
 
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What about 2000? SCOTUS just arbitrarily stopped the recount when Gore was headed to pulling ahead because of the Brooks Brothers Riot. There were protests all over the country. People are still pissed. I am. Aren't you? So I really don't have any sympathy for some rednecks swallowing Trump's snake oil. They are not special and do not deserve to be catered to.

Well, seeing as how the media called Florida for Bush before the polls in the panhandle closed could have been seen as going either way, I'm going to call that one even, and I absolutely despised Bush.

And Who says Gore was headed to pull ahead?

Haven't you argued about how many mail in ballots went to Biden late, due to counting rules?
And thats why he hugely surged in 4 states at 4 am?

Come on dude.

They were trying 'hanging Chad's' to push that shit to Gore in half the state. The other half said Bush won. Someone had to make a decision, and that falls to the judiciary in that one.

Agree or disagree?
 
I mean, one guy is running on his prior 4 years, saying he will try and make America great again, and the other is saying if you oppose him, he.might just unleash fighter jets on your town.
To be fair, the other guy did say he was going to be a dictator. It was a joke, but that joke falls rather flat after you literally already tried a coup.
 
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What about 2000? SCOTUS just arbitrarily stopped the recount when Gore was headed to pulling ahead because of the Brooks Brothers Riot. There were protests all over the country. People are still pissed. I am. Aren't you? So I really don't have any sympathy for some rednecks swallowing Trump's snake oil. They are not special and do not deserve to be catered to.
Deflection. If you want to go back and discuss 2000 that's for another time. I said since 2016, which is when the vitriol between the two sides really ramped up. Riots, "not my President", Hillary still maintains that the election was stolen from her, etc.

You have ignored my entire point. Millions of people, on BOTH sides, believe the last two elections are/were illegitimate, and that is bad for the country. So... we should do whatever is necessary (I outlined some good starting points toward that end) to help deal with that.

But you'd rather name call. LOL

You need to do better than that .

Coup... You're going to hold onto that like a monkey with his fist in the cookie jar until your deathbed. LOL
 
Well, seeing as how the media called Florida for Bush before the polls in the panhandle closed could have been seen as going either way, I'm going to call that one even, and I absolutely despised Bush.

And Who says Gore was headed to pull ahead?

Haven't you argued about how many mail in ballots went to Biden late, due to counting rules?
And thats why he hugely surged in 4 states at 4 am?

Come on dude.

They were trying 'hanging Chad's' to push that shit to Gore in half the state. The other half said Bush won. Someone had to make a decision, and that falls to the judiciary in that one.

Agree or disagree?
Disagree on basically all. I don't know if you don't remember the specifics or what, but what matters should be counting the votes, who actually won the election. They just ruled 'Screw that!' and ordered the recounts stopped, flat out. That destroys faith in elections far more than Trump saying whatever stupid Trump stuff he says.
 
Deflection. If you want to go back and discuss 2000 that's for another time. I said since 2016, which is when the vitriol between the two sides really ramped up. Riots, "not my President", Hillary still maintains that the election was stolen from her, etc.

You have ignored my entire point. Millions of people, on BOTH sides, believe the last two elections are/were illegitimate, and that is bad for the country. So... we should do whatever is necessary (I outlined some good starting points toward that end) to help deal with that.

But you'd rather name call. LOL

You need to do better than that .

Coup... You're going to hold onto that like a monkey with his fist in the cookie jar until your deathbed. LOL
I've indicated willingness to compromise on election security several times. Free and fair elections benefit us all. I just don't see how in our current partisan atmosphere.
 
You and your ilk, Dion, LOL YOU'RE the problem.

Coup, Russian interference, collusion with Russia. You might as well be describing yourself, when you talk about election denial. You just lack the self-awareness to realize it.
Opposition research and dirty politics are an American tradition with a long history rooted amongst our Founding Fathers themselves. Coup attempts are not.
 
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