POLITICAL THREAD

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

Personally I'm not on the fraud train, just the same as I think the suppression talking point is way overblown. But you all Act like we are in reconstruction era every time there's an election. And that's the problem, have democrats ever accepted an election result? No they haven't. It's just not ID...its this insane rhetoric from the left themselves to undermine any election. Anything from the intentional misrepresentation of GA voting laws claiming ppl can't have water, to claim Oklahoma is participating in Jim Crow by they made the minimum request for absentee ballots 15 days out. You know why they did that? Bc that's when the postal service told them it had to be by or else they couldn't get them out in time. To one state they claimed it was jim crow bc they had a law you had to be registered to vote. Meaning you could've just shown up anywhere as anyone.

But to id here's reality, if you cant get ID in FOUR years...you weren't voting. If you wake up the day of an election and decide to vote, you weren't voting. Most all states will assist you in getting one. Democrats are under this impression that bc someone doesn't vote that automatically means they were suppressed in some form.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

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I'd like to think that's what they meant, but sadly it's definitely not what either said. Ultra precise language was needed at a time when seemingly noone knew what they were doing. In a matter of utmost importance, pence and Trump grossly mishandled the whole situation.

No doubt Giuliani's gross incompetence was behind at least much of that. The most important decision in modern political history, and it was thrown away because Trump trusted a washed up fool

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Joe Rogan will be out at Spotify very shortly.

Can someone tell me what "racist" thing he said way back when? Yes I can Google it but don't want to give any cancel culture stories any clicks.

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

Free ID required to both in person register and vote. Free public transit on election day. That solves every issue.

1 registration and vote per legal voting person with zero obstacles.

 

[OHIO COLONEL]

Update. Really hope this guy is the nexts POTUS.

GoFundMe backtracks on redistributing money for Canadian truckers, under threat of fraud investigation

Facing a potential fraud investigation by the state of Florida, GoFundMe reversed a decision to redistribute money given by thousands of donors to the Canadian "Freedom Convoy" protesting COVID-19 regulations.

www.foxbusiness.com

Couple of interesting things from that article.....

"GoFundMe supports peaceful protests and we believe that was the intention of the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser when it was first created. We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity," GoFundMe announced. There has been little to no reports of documented violence at the protest.

Also, from the Texas AG....

"Patriotic Texans donated to Canadian truckers’ worthy cause using GoFundMe. This BLM-backing company went woke, froze the funds, & failed to deliver Texans’ money," Paxton said. "Today I assembled a team to investigate their potential fraud & deception. Texas donors will get Justice!"

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Deficit for 2020, 3.3 trillion. Debt will hit 100% of GDP by the end of the month. MAGA! 30 million still on unemployment. So much winning!

You're a riot. It almost seems like you don't approve of all the liberal shutdowns.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

Hmm, well, lets start with an easy question. Would you still allow ballot harvesting?

 

[OHIO COLONEL]

Found this tweet on what seems to be a liberal website...theconversation.com. If this is the best they've got on the convoy in Ottawa....maybe they should have stolen some of the pictures of all the BLM/George Floyd riots.


Also, on their site...a few headlines from the last few years....

A field guide to Trump’s dangerous rhetoric ​

Can Trump create millions of jobs? Don’t bet on it ​

And there's more.

 

[Dionysus444]

Hmm, well, lets start with an easy question. Would you still allow ballot harvesting?

Obviously my personal wishlist is very different from anything proposed here. Was basically just asking if some compromise does manage to be reached, will that actually assuage y'all's election fears? Or is election doubt now a permanent feature of our political discourse?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Obviously my personal wishlist is very different from anything proposed here. Was basically just asking if some compromise does manage to be reached, will that actually assuage y'all's election fears? Or is election doubt now a permanent feature of our political discourse?

Let me answer it this way.

You can't bank, fly, go to the hospital, apply for benefits, apply for social security and dozens of other basic functions without an ID. Trying to claim voter ID is suppressive is a lie from the start. Therefore, so long as we have no voter ID in most states, mail in ballots except in rare and specific cases, any form of ballot harvesting, I think you can expect most conservatives to doubt the validity of elections.

It's kind of like you want me to believe that traditionally red Georgia not only went blue, it went radical blue and what do you know, that coincidentally happened when unverified mail in ballots were allowed. To a reasonable person, that would seem odd, no?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Couple of interesting things from that article.....

"GoFundMe supports peaceful protests and we believe that was the intention of the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser when it was first created. We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity," GoFundMe announced. There has been little to no reports of documented violence at the protest.

Also, from the Texas AG....

"Patriotic Texans donated to Canadian truckers’ worthy cause using GoFundMe. This BLM-backing company went woke, froze the funds, & failed to deliver Texans’ money," Paxton said. "Today I assembled a team to investigate their potential fraud & deception. Texas donors will get Justice!"

Unless it's somehow buried in the eula, no way this is legal. Refund would've been the only option for them. Can't just seize donations and reroute them

Alot of this stuff must be declared utility when the GOP get back in control. No way crucial services should be discriminating on content and political affiliation

 

[CrittendenWildcat]

Joe Rogan will be out at Spotify very shortly.

Why is Joe Rogan being targeted? Who thinks a guy with a podcast is so influential that he has to be silenced? It's insanity.

If the n-word is so bad, it needs to be banned by everyone, everywhere, in all settings, in all contexts, by all people. It's either a word everyone can use, or it's not. This idea that only one race can use the word without hate, but any other race using it is automatically hateful and racist, is a farcical social construct.

 

[awf]

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There are people like that in every election and it’s absolutely nothing new. It does not in any way explain the EXTREME differences in Trump numbers vs down ballot. Trumps approval rating among Rs at the time were at a record high.

You’re also completely ignoring the EXTREME number of ballots that voted only for president. There are always some, but this election went many times beyond that to the point any rational and objective person would have…questions

Again, you have a party that truly to their core believe Trump is the second coming of Hitler. Would you have committed voter fraud to oust Hitler if given the chance?

Don’t answer, that’s rhetorical…

And you haven't even brought up the thousands upon thousands of mail in ballots that had never been folded........no.........nothing to see here...........

 

[55wildcat]

A lot of people without mask at Pebble Beach Pro Am. Newsome gonna be mad!

 

[WayneDougan]

The left has turned into a religion, hence the n-word being used regardless of context will now get you cancelled if you aren’t black. Rogan looks like an idiot apologizing for that. There was no harm with it. Context matters… we’re not in the 1400’s.

What is going to burn him is the planet of the apes stuff. That to me came across as very bad. There’s no context there.

 

[AustinTXCat]

ITs a pretty smart thing to tell the athletes. If you go to China and start making political statements you are more than likely going to be disappeared. A lot of the athletes are young and don't understand the trouble they will get in. IF your going to a shithole like china or NK you better understand what your getting yourself into.

<laughs in Jesse Owens>

 

[augustaky1]

A lot of people without mask at Pebble Beach Pro Am. Newsome gonna be mad!

Don’t hold your breath. No. Wait. That is what you are supposed to do now right?


sarcasm off. 😊

 

[Dionysus444]

Let me answer it this way.

You can't bank, fly, go to the hospital, apply for benefits, apply for social security and dozens of other basic functions without an ID. Trying to claim voter ID is suppressive is a lie from the start. Therefore, so long as we have no voter ID in most states, mail in ballots except in rare and specific cases, any form of ballot harvesting, I think you can expect most conservatives to doubt the validity of elections.

It's kind of like you want me to believe that traditionally red Georgia not only went blue, it went radical blue and what do you know, that coincidentally happened when unverified mail in ballots were allowed. To a reasonable person, that would seem odd, no?

So as I feared, no, you'll claim it's rigged whenever you lose from here on out because Atlanta's one of the fastest growing large cities in the country and Dems promised checks so GA went blue. Gotcha. Well, this is going to be an interesting few political cycles. Everyone currently predicting Republicans sweeping the midterms and Trump possibly running again in 2024. Love Trump or hate him, he definitely caught stodgy politics up to our reality TV culture. That Oprah talk might not be so farfetched now. Meghan Markle's hotter though. May as well just vote our royals back in and come full circle right? I mean we're the same as a monarchy really if the current vice president can unilaterally pick the incoming president like this thread wants.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

So as I feared, no, you'll claim it's rigged whenever you lose from here on out because Atlanta's one of the fastest growing large cities in the country and Dems promised checks so GA went blue. Gotcha. Well, this is going to be an interesting few political cycles. Everyone currently predicting Republicans sweeping the midterms and Trump possibly running again in 2024. Love Trump or hate him, he definitely caught stodgy politics up to our reality TV culture. That Oprah talk might not be so farfetched now. Meghan Markle's hotter though. May as well just vote our royals back in and come full circle right? I mean it's the same as a monarchy really if the current vice president can unilaterally pick the incoming president like this thread wants.

You ignored almost all of my post, presumably because you arent willing to actually discuss it.

 

[FirewithFire]

New Highly Virulent HIV Variant Detected in Netherlands - Could Cause People to Develop AIDS More Quickly | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Oxford researchers announced on Thursday that a new super-mutant HIV strain has been detected in the Netherlands which damages the immune system more quickly than the current versions of the virus.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Good thing that Moderna MRNA vaccine is right around the corner, huh.

 

[FirewithFire]

The left has turned into a religion, hence the n-word being used regardless of context will now get you cancelled if you aren’t black. Rogan looks like an idiot apologizing for that. There was no harm with it. Context matters… we’re not in the 1400’s.

What is going to burn him is the planet of the apes stuff. That to me came across as very bad. There’s no context there.

Yeah, Rogan's greatest hero does not approve.

 

[Bill Derington]

500000 ballots in Wisconsin with a birthdate of Jan 1 1918, over 200000 of those ballots were cast in the election, sounds legit.
The Michigan Governor uses an Executive order to reinstate over 100000 voters removed from rolls just prior to the election.
In GA there were over 91000 ballots marked for Biden only, that may have just been in Fulton Co. Trump had 18 total marked only for him in the entire state.
Nevada sent mail in ballots to every voter in the state, and had in person voting.
Arizona, in Maricopa Co there were over 23000 votes with the same name and birthdates.
Philadelphia had something like 90% turnout, and Biden led that 90-10, sounds legit. Legitimate testimony about ballots crossing state lines from NY.

 

[FirewithFire]

Ever wonder why your mail comes unsealed sometimes?

Postal Service hacking into hundreds of seized mobile devices, tracking users' social media posts

U.S. Postal Inspection Service accused of violating Americans' privacy, civil liberties on large scale.

justthenews.com

The Postal Service is exempt from several rules that govern other agencies under the Postal Reorganization Act, leading some to question the proper role of USPIS.

 

[JStaff2187]

Sad to see that The Rock has completely sold out and went full apology to the mob, delete past posts when called out route.

 

[KyCatFan]

Joe Rogan will be out at Spotify very shortly.

Would be a perfect time for another company to come in and sign him to a deal. Spotify and all the has beens will be screwed when a huge number of their customers decide to leave and follow him. They won't be paying the has beens the same kind of money after that I don't think.

 

[Dionysus444]

You ignored almost all of my post, presumably because you arent willing to actually discuss it.

Fine.

You can't bank, fly, go to the hospital, apply for benefits, apply for social security and dozens of other basic functions without an ID. Trying to claim voter ID is suppressive is a lie from the start.

Obtaining a picture ID is a voluntary expense. It doesn't matter how many of those other things require an ID, voting is always free as poll taxes are illegal. So it has to be free and easily accessible.

Therefore, so long as we have no voter ID in most states, mail in ballots except in rare and specific cases, any form of ballot harvesting, I think you can expect most conservatives to doubt the validity of elections.

Voting by mail is allowed in most states and the norm in several. It's never been an issue and in fact largely favored Republicans before Trump. More participation in our democracy is a great thing and turnout was really high in 2020 indicating we should expand voting by mail and empower more people, not limit it and throw up more hurdles for people. Allowing someone to return your ballot, aka "ballot harvesting", is legal almost everywhere with varying restrictions. Everyone has an interest in ensuring an accountable chain of custody and creating universal standards for that would be in the interest of both parties and the American people.

It's kind of like you want me to believe that traditionally red Georgia not only went blue, it went radical blue and what do you know, that coincidentally happened when unverified mail in ballots were allowed. To a reasonable person, that would seem odd, no?

See previous post as to reasons GA went blue, not fraud.


There, addressed point by point. Can't accuse me of obfuscating or deflecting. Satisfied?

 

[KyCatFan]

Let me answer it this way.

You can't bank, fly, go to the hospital, apply for benefits, apply for social security and dozens of other basic functions without an ID. Trying to claim voter ID is suppressive is a lie from the start. Therefore, so long as we have no voter ID in most states, mail in ballots except in rare and specific cases, any form of ballot harvesting, I think you can expect most conservatives to doubt the validity of elections.

It's kind of like you want me to believe that traditionally red Georgia not only went blue, it went radical blue and what do you know, that coincidentally happened when unverified mail in ballots were allowed. To a reasonable person, that would seem odd, no?

You also can't return something to Walmart without a receipt if you don't have an ID. I'd bet a large number of the folks they claim are losing their voting rights have made returns at Walmart and had to show an ID because they lost their receipt.

From their website.

Return In-store Items without a Receipt. If you don't have your receipt, show us your valid, government-issued photo ID. If your ID information matches with the one stored in our secure database, your return will be accepted.

 

[SDC8888]

Our voting system is like returning something to a store open box, but the clerk doesn't even bother to check to see if the item is actually in the box.

Then when the next customer complains he bought an empty box, he's told, "well, says here in our system the item was returned, so it must've been in there."

 

[KyCatFan]

Good thing that Moderna MRNA vaccine is right around the corner, huh.

They better hope so with some in the government making it okay to not tell their partners they have HIV. That new treatment better be less hazardous than the current jab.

 

[55wildcat]

 

[Lost In FL]

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Exactly. This aint a vaccine. You can call a "tie" a win, but it is really still basically a loss.

 

[55wildcat]

 

[hmt5000]

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

80% Of Americans Support Voter ID Rules—But Fewer Worried About Fraud, Poll Finds

Americans are divided on whether to make voting easier or more restrictive as state lawmakers and the Senate weigh new voting legislation.

www.forbes.com

Even a majority of blacks in the country are for voter ID laws. There are over 20 million illegal immigrants in this country. If 1 of them votes illegally it is the same as stopping a person from voting legally. Why is following the law so hard for you guys? And when was the last time a Republican won the presidency and Dems didn't say they cheated? I think before Nixon.

 

[bushrod1965]

Obviously my personal wishlist is very different from anything proposed here. Was basically just asking if some compromise does manage to be reached, will that actually assuage y'all's election fears? Or is election doubt now a permanent feature of our political discourse?

There is no compromise or middle ground from the right on elections. Their stance is simple. If we win, it was a fair election. If we lose, there was fraud. That’s election integrity in a nutshell for conservatives.

 

[screwduke1]

There is no compromise or middle ground from the right on elections. Their stance is simple. If we win, it was a fair election. If we lose, there was fraud. That’s election integrity in a nutshell for conservatives.

Signed, Hillary Clinton 2016.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

Joey just recently stated that the 2022 election will be rigged against the dems so spare us your righteous indignation. Hillary and the left spent 4 years pushing the proved fake narrative that the Russians stole the election. Again, spare us.

Do you support ID's for opening a bank account? Getting on a plane? Showing your Covid vax with your ID at a restaurant in NYC or DC? None of those seem to disenfranchise any of the lefts pet causes. Those who oppose voter ID verification do so to support voter fraud. Now to your attempt to compromise, how about a free national voter ID that proves you are legally able to vote in a federal election. State ID's are now not good enough to get on an airplane so why should it be good enough to vote. Use the same set of proof required for the "enhanced" DL. That would be a good step. There is NO evidence that any of your reasons above are real. They are not. European countries and a majorityof black voters in the US think its a good idea.

As for whether Democrats cheat or not....it only takes a small amount of fraud to overthrow a legitimate election. Look how few votes were needed in GA and AZ and in PA to have given us 4 more years of POTUS Trump. There was a great deal of fraud caused by the harvesting and other measures put in due to "Covid" terror.

 

[Lost In FL]

Question for the thread. All Americans of every political persuasion benefit from free and fair elections. I've never personally supported voter ID laws for a handful of reasons, namely cost(poll tax), privacy issues(government database/registries), and voter suppression(lack of availability). I've never felt the gains in security were necessary and outweighed the possible disenfranchisement. But our country is obviously in difficult times. More than two-thirds of Republicans don't think our elections are fair. If we issued a free voter ID to every citizen and nationalized the standards/requirements, which is how it'd have to be done or it couldn't be implemented, would all of y'all's concerns be addressed and you'd stop all this nonsense? No illegals, dead people, or fake ballots like y'all allege. The government, and Bezos et al., already have all our information anyway. Would that be an acceptable political compromise? If Democrats really did cheat(they didn't), me and every person I know, be they left or right, wants to know and know that our elections are legitimate.

Short answer ... no.

First, not accepting your premise of only GOP is disillusioned with voting. Last poll i saw (tifwiw), Over 50% of dems believe the 2020 election was fraudulent.

Second, the SECOND the fed govt gets involved, then this great experiment in freedom is over. If a state wants to issue "free" IDs then fine. (1. The IDs are not "free" ... only an ignorant person would think that. 2. MOST states do this now. GA for example offers an ID at no cost to those who cannot get the other dozen forms of acceptable ID.)

SO ... hard NO from the people who can think.

 

[Lost In FL]

Signed, Hillary Clinton 2016.

Dont forgot gaptooth in georgia too

 

[hmt5000]

There is no compromise or middle ground from the right on elections. Their stance is simple. If we win, it was a fair election. If we lose, there was fraud. That’s election integrity in a nutshell for conservatives.

Weird how many Dems claimed voting issues during the primaries but magically no problems in any dem city during the general. Just magic.

 

[hmt5000]

Short answer ... no.

First, not accepting your premise of only GOP is disillusioned with voting. Last poll i saw (tifwiw), Over 50% of dems believe the 2020 election was fraudulent.

Second, the SECOND the fed govt gets involved, then this great experiment in freedom is over. If a state wants to issue "free" IDs then fine. (1. The IDs are not "free" ... only an ignorant person would think that. 2. MOST states do this now. GA for example offers an ID at no cost to those who cannot get the other dozen forms of acceptable ID.)

SO ... hard NO from the people who can think.

And the argument with poll tax equating to an ID.... We have the right to private property but the government regularly taxes that property. Is taxing a right illegal? I'd love to not pay taxes on lots of stuff. lol.

 

[Lost In FL]

Couple of interesting things from that article.....

"GoFundMe supports peaceful protests and we believe that was the intention of the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser when it was first created. We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity," GoFundMe announced. There has been little to no reports of documented violence at the protest.

Also, from the Texas AG....

"Patriotic Texans donated to Canadian truckers’ worthy cause using GoFundMe. This BLM-backing company went woke, froze the funds, & failed to deliver Texans’ money," Paxton said. "Today I assembled a team to investigate their potential fraud & deception. Texas donors will get Justice!"

I bet gofundme has supported several antifa, chaz, and blm "protesters" (aka rioters). As someone said ... "social credit" scoring is here.